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How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/08/09 02:44 PM
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When Cicci kills Cuneo, how does he escape? I mean, he is inside a public building, I think a hotel. If there's a second door, Cuneo's body guards would be waiting there for him. And inside, many people would have recognized him. Too many people to pay them off as in Michael's murder case. So does anybody have a clue how he escaped? After all, a second job was waiting for him in the Corleone mall.  My second question: Are we to believe that Cuneo and Stracci were killed in the same building? The marble, the stairs, etc. look quite the same. (I just see that this is my 666th posting  )
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/08/09 04:08 PM
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When Cicci kills Cuneo, how does he escape? I mean, he is inside a public building, I think a hotel. If there's a second door, Cuneo's body guards would be waiting there for him. And inside, many people would have recognized him. Too many people to pay them off as in Michael's murder case. So does anybody have a clue how he escaped? After all, a second job was waiting for him in the Corleone mall. My second question: Are we to believe that Cuneo and Stracci were killed in the same building? The marble, the stairs, etc. look quite the same. (I just see that this is my 666th posting ) I don't think we are led to believe that Cuneo and Stracci are killed in the same building. The two hits would have to go off pretty well at the same time, hence one Don gets warned. As for his escape, I'm sure all of that was thought out well in advance. Every component of the Great Massacre had to be planned down right to a T!
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/08/09 10:10 PM
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Buildings with revolving doors generally have regular doors alongside--it was a building code requirement in NYC. As for the similarity of the buildings: many NYC office buildings standing in 1955 had very similar lobbies and stairwells. Yeah, I believe that is the same in Toronto regarding revolving doors.
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/09/09 06:10 AM
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OK, not the same building. But my main question remains unanswered: How could Willie possibly escape? In fact, there were at least two body guards ahead of Cuneo. (Same situation as in Barzini's case.) I'm sure all of that was thought out well in advance. Alright, but to me the situation with Cicci inside a hotel seems to be almost absurd. Would you write the same explanation if Cicci jumped out of an Empre State Building window?
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/09/09 11:14 AM
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But my main question remains unanswered: How could Willie possibly escape?
He'd unlock the revolving door push it a little, go back inside, and slip away?
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/09/09 11:25 AM
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But my main question remains unanswered: How could Willie possibly escape? He'd unlock the revolving door push it a little, go back inside, and slip away? He'd just go back the way he came... he got a haircut in the hotel's barbershop in the lower level just before the shooting ... there would have been a few entrances to that lower level that led directly to the street. As far as witnesses go... many of them suffer from amnesia as soon as they hear what they witnessed was Mob related. It was a weekend morning and quite possible that many people weren't around, too. Stop sweating the small stuff, Danito, and concentrate on the story and enjoy!
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/09/09 12:48 PM
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Danito, as SC said, office building have multiple entrances and exits, and in the Fifties, none were guarded. If Cuneo's bodyguards had left, the locked revolving door would have stopped them for long enough for Cicci to make his getaway elsewhere. And. as you are well aware from the novel, people are frightened when shooting occurs, and they run for cover.
In real life, Albert Anastasia's assassins killed him in a hotel barber shop, then calmly entered the lobby and made their escape through the front door. No one interfered with them.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/09/09 02:56 PM
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Thanks for the explanations! Stop sweating the small stuff, Danito, and concentrate on the story and enjoy! I've always thought that thinking about the small stuff was part of the joy. I mean, think about all the brain gasoline spent on the curtains problem in GF2. Desertwolf and SC, I don't think that because of the "mistakes" GF is somehow worse. It's worth discussig the making of, exactly because it is an art work. As far as artistic license goes, I think you agree that there has to be some realistic grounding. I mean, we're not talking about a Matrix movie or Harry Potter.
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/10/09 04:32 AM
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Yes, some things are amazing but still believable, like the planning of killing Sonny. Other things we take as artistic license: Shooting Barzini from such a distance. Some details are simple movie mistakes, like the invisible magician who fixed Sonny's windshield within a few seconds. And for me it was interesting to know under which category the Cicci/Cuneo scene fell. That's why I put it as a question, not as a statement.
DW, I don't have oil paintings of Al & Marlon (in fact, I don't even have a TV), but I share your adoration of "The Godfather".
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Re: How Cicci the trapper got trapped
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09/10/09 10:14 PM
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