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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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Yes, it's Neri. Yes, it's incredibly sloppy.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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There are, of course, differences between the final hits in the book and in the movie. In the book, though, several of Barzini's capos switch sides immediately after the hit, which opens the possibility that Barzini had been betrayed. So the tactical hit on Barzini might have been a result of Michael's earlier strategic victory.
Of course, I'm sure that the Corleones would still have wanted Barzini dead for certain, as opposed to alive, wounded, and in police custody.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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03/21/09 04:19 PM
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While in reality, it might have been "sloppy" work, I think that, that assassination, was the most "artistic" and enabled FFC to use the stereotypical "Black Cadillac" that was greatly favored by mob guys for many years, with the notable exception of Michael, who preferred Packards and Imperial Ghias.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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03/22/09 12:14 AM
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olivant;
i agree, how may times in neri's career do you think he practiced using that gun on and / off duty and in training? back then you didn't have the luxury ( usually so ) to have anything more for police work than a .38 caliber revolver. not like today where you can get pretty much any caliber and magazine capacity you want and in any combination of sizes, finishes, etc.. not only that, but shooting at moving and stationary targets and make those 6 shots count. when neri takes those 3 shots at barzini, the pose he takes as he aims at barzini and steadies his arm for the shot, he's not going to miss. the 3 shots that barzini is hit with are right in the area of (a) the spinal cord, (b) the heart and (c) the lungs. any combination of which would be fatal. you're only talking a distance of what, maybe a 100 - 125 feet, which is nothing for a .38.. he had to use his "duty" .38 to make it appear to be a "rogue duty cop" to divert an investigation in a different direction. if he had used a .45 or anything else, it could have possibley aroused suspicion if any witnesses report anything to responding officers.
neri is good at his job, because he doesn't leave room for mistakes.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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05/17/09 01:51 PM
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I have an issue with Barzini's death. First, its very obviously a stunt man that falls down the steps.
And what was that completely unaided walk down the hall all about? Seeing as the Don has been quoted as blaming Barzini for everything, surely the guy would be surrounded by more than one guy and a driver?
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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Why did Vito want to appear week, he really didn't want to break the peace...that was legit.
I don't think Barzini would take a risk like that, he wouldn't be that cocky, quite the contrary, he seems very smart, a worthy adversary to the Don.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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I get what you're saying mate. But Barzini would have read the body language of Mike at the Funeral, not even a nod of thanks for Barzini's attendance, second, surely Barzini would know that Vito would warn him that the man who came to him with a meeting proposal is the traitor. Barzini didn't care about throwing Tessio to the lions...but never would Barzini leave himself open to such an attack in broad daylight.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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05/18/09 07:03 AM
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I get what you're saying mate. But Barzini would have read the body language of Mike at the Funeral, not even a nod of thanks for Barzini's attendance, second, surely Barzini would know that Vito would warn him that the man who came to him with a meeting proposal is the traitor. Barzini didn't care about throwing Tessio to the lions...but never would Barzini leave himself open to such an attack in broad daylight. This bad mood acting was part of the trap. If Michael appeared to be too friendly towards Barzini, Barzini would have smelled a rat. In the novel we find an interesting part about this irritation, when Clemenza prepares to have Paulie killed. He would be curt with Paulie, as if displeased with him. With a man so sensitive and suspicious as Gatto this would throw him off the track or at least leave him uncertain. Undue friendliness would make him wary. But of course the curtness must not be too angry. It had to be rather an absentminded sort of irritation. Barzini knew that Michael knew that Barzini chiseled into the Corleone territory. When Michael acted stiffly, it was only natural.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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05/18/09 07:28 PM
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Agreed.
But my point that Mike would guess that Tessio will betray him is still valid. Barzini is old school like Vito. I'm surprised he was killed so easily.
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Re: The Hit on Barzini: Sloppy Work
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05/23/09 12:29 PM
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In contrast, in Sonny's death scene, gunmen are emptying their .45 M1928 Thompsons into him yet he gets out of the car and stands on his feet screaming for a while. That was FFC paying homage to Arthur Penn in "Bonnie and Clyde." The reality is that the .45ACP fired by the Thompson is the proverbial "big heavy round." The first hit would have knocked him down--probably for good.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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