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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
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02/17/09 01:48 PM
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Of course it wouldn't fool anyone. But a major subtheme of the Trilogy is how people underestimate each other and make fatal mistakes. Carlo thirsted for revenge for Sonny's public beating and humiliation of him. Whatever Tattaglia or Barzini promised him for setting up Sonny was almost irrelevant: here was a chance to get revenge. In that moment he was blind to the consequences of such an obvious move. Ditto Paulie Gatto: he let his greed blind him to the fact that Sonny and Tom had to know that he'd be a prime suspect in setting up Vito for the shooting outside the Genco offices. He, like Carlo, paid the price. As Vito said later: "Women and children can be careless, but not men."
Since Carlo was so obviously behind Sonny's murder, why didn't Vito have him killed? Many of us here believe that Vito couldn't bring himself to kill his daughter's husband. And Vito, confronted with Sonny's death and the urgent need to bring Michael back from Sicily, decided that "this war ends now." It was not a time for more bloodshed. He needed to appear weak and humble, the better to lull his enemies. Besides, he knew Michael would take the revenge on Carlo that he couldn't bring himself to act on.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
[Re: henry]
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02/17/09 05:20 PM
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Henry, I see what you're saying. But, while it may have been foolish on Carlo's part, I don't think it is that difficult to believe.
Sonny had a hundred buttonmen looking for Sollozzo. Maybe Tattaglia had a hundred buttonmen looking for Sonny. Maybe they began to tail the car after it left the compound and only pounced when Sonny stopped to pay the toll. Who would know the difference once Sonny was dead? Carlo may have believed that there were enough possibilities like that to give him some cover.
Plus, there were other motivators for Carlo. He realized that the Corleones would never give him anything important. Plus, he surely wanted revenge for Sonny's public beatdown of him.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
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02/17/09 07:04 PM
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The point is that people who are obsessed with vengeance or greed do stupid things that lead them to their deaths. As Vito said in the novel, "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold." Exactly! Carlo had just suffered a lengthy and intensely humiliating public beating at the hands of his brother-in-law. He wanted revenge and he wasn't thinking beyond that. It is a bit of a stretch to think he would hang around afterwards but then again he probably hadn't thought things through that far. Maybe he thought being married to Connie would give him a pass if things came to a head...
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
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02/18/09 10:02 AM
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TB : In the novel I hope Vito acknowledged the Cereventes when he made his "cold revenge" statement. It was Cerveventes who said "revenge is a dish best served cold". I didn't know that. Interesting. I haven't read Don Quixote but it is apparently the source for many common expressions, including "the sky's the limit," "there's no love lost between them," and "give the devil his due." Amazing that something not even written in English could have such an impact on the language hundreds of years later.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
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02/18/09 10:43 AM
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TB : In the novel I hope Vito acknowledged the Cereventes when he made his "cold revenge" statement. It was Cerveventes who said "revenge is a dish best served cold". I didn't know that. Interesting. I haven't read Don Quixote but it is apparently the source for many common expressions, including "the sky's the limit," "there's no love lost between them," and "give the devil his due." Amazing that something not even written in English could have such an impact on the language hundreds of years later. Not to mention the derivative saying, "tilting at windmills."
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: What was Carlo thinking?
[Re: dontomasso]
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02/18/09 12:41 PM
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TB : In the novel I hope Vito acknowledged the Cereventes when he made his "cold revenge" statement. It was Cerveventes who said "revenge is a dish best served cold". I didn't know that. Interesting. I haven't read Don Quixote but it is apparently the source for many common expressions, including "the sky's the limit," "there's no love lost between them," and "give the devil his due." Amazing that something not even written in English could have such an impact on the language hundreds of years later. Not to mention the derivative saying, "tilting at windmills." And the word "quixotic." But the amount of coined expressions, especially, is unbelievable.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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