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Questions on GF2 #458592
12/18/07 07:31 PM
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Hi, i posted some questions on GF1 earlier which prompted me to watch the 2nd one again, im pretty stupid obviously so i need some help. These are really obvious im sorry

1st - Why assinate Michael is he's bringing in $2m for Roth (does he not think he'll pay and therefore knows Michael suspects him)
2nd - Why does Michael wear a scarf round his neck?
3rd - The significance of the pills Michael takes on the train?


Cheers for any help :-D

Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: shakermaker88] #458593
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1) Like all gangsters, Roth was greedy. He wanted to be sure he got the 2 million prior to killing Michael.

2) The ascot (scarf) on Michael's neck was probably just a just a fashion statement (a poor one ).

3) The pills were more than likely a foreshadowing of Michael's diabetes.


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Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: pizzaboy] #458608
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
1) Like all gangsters, Roth was greedy. He wanted to be sure he got the 2 million prior to killing Michael.

Very succinct summary, PB. Longer discussion of Roth's greed here:

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...=true#Post36211

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2) The ascot (scarf) on Michael's neck was probably just a just a fashion statement (a poor one ).

...but not as poor as that ridiculous homburg he wore in GF in the scene where he was wooing Kay in New Hampshire. A pint-sized gangster-banker.

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3) The pills were more than likely a foreshadowing of Michael's diabetes.

...except that GFIII was not envisioned at that time. I will guess that the pill was Milltown, the ubiquitous tranquilizer of the late Fifties and beyond. (I'll further guess that it was the drug Geary swallowed in Michael's office during Anthony's party. It was also the drug referred to in the Rolling Stones' '65 hit, "Mother's Little Helper.") Tranquilizers were new in the Fifties. Taking Milltown was a sign that you were a "complex" person and experienced "stress" in your busy/busy/important life that deserved to be alleviated pharmecutically.



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Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: Turnbull] #458646
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the pills could just be for a head ache mike had.

Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: Zaf-the-don] #458651
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TB,

I know it doesn't count because it wasn't filmed, but in one of the early GF2 scripts, wasn't there a scene at the end of an 18 year old Anthony visiting with Michael and a mention of Connie treating Michael for his diabetes? That's why I always assumed the pills may have been for his blood sugar, because more often than not diabetics are on the pills long before the insulin. Just a thought.

Back to that ridiculous ascot: Is it possible that Michael wore it to look more regal, like the Lord of the Manor, to further distance himself from his father's "peasant" beginnings?

If he did, it would be a kick in the ass, considering that he died in the same peasant clothing as his father. And his father didn't have dogs peeing on him!


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Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: pizzaboy] #458655
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I thought there were foreshadowings of the diabetes as early as GFI because Michael is always drinking water. Throughout all three films he drinks lots of water and rarely drinks alcohol.


That ascot was totally out of place. Did Michael think he was British nobility? I liked him better with his shiny silk suits and his oily hair.

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Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: dontomasso] #458677
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Dunno about an earlier script mentioning Michael's diabetes, but I've heard it referred to here.
I like my Milltown guess because it's so...Fifties.


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Re: Questions on GF2 [Re: Turnbull] #458684
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 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Dunno about an earlier script mentioning Michael's diabetes, but I've heard it referred to here.
I like my Milltown guess because it's so...Fifties.



It really is a "fifties" drug. Do they still make it or has Valium and Xanax totally relaced it?
One problem, however. Would Michael's need for Milltown show that he was tense, and therefor somehow weak? See, e.g. De Niro's fear of psychotherapy in "Analyze This."


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