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Tessio as Consigliere
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10/22/07 12:10 AM
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Does anyone think Tessio would have been a good consigliere? In the book during the mob war it talks about how Sonny realizes that Hagen wasnt a "wartime consigliere", and how the capos have mellowed w/ age. Sonny did not have the power to change the situation. Also when they find out that Tessio is the traitor Michael says "he was always the smart one". I know this is hypothetical, but maybe if he was consigliere....he may have not betrayed the family. Sorry if this has been discussed. I was just curious. So does anyone think he would have been a good one?
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, after glancing to see Sonny enter)
You spend time with your family?
JOHNNY
Sure I do.
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, but toward and about Sonny)
Good. 'Cause a man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man.
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: dontomasso]
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10/22/07 03:07 PM
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Well I agree, but arent consiglieres older? They learn from experience. In the book it discussed why Tom wasnt a good man for the job. It said he didnt have the necessary time in, and he wasnt sicilian. I dont know I just thought I would throw the question out there.
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, after glancing to see Sonny enter)
You spend time with your family?
JOHNNY
Sure I do.
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, but toward and about Sonny)
Good. 'Cause a man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man.
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: YoungDonVito]
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10/22/07 03:17 PM
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Well I agree, but arent consiglieres older? T You think Genco was born old?  I think Puzo was just trying to relay the face that Tom wasn't a Sicilian (for about the one millionth time) and that Genco's illness kind of put Tom in the position a liitle too quickly (even if he was a Sicilian). I'm not sure age had anything to do with it. Ater all, during the formulative years, they were all young (Tessio, Clemenza, Vito, Genco).
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/22/07 06:15 PM
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Well I agree, but arent consiglieres older? T You think Genco was born old? I think Puzo was just trying to relay the face that Tom wasn't a Sicilian (for about the one millionth time) and that Genco's illness kind of put Tom in the position a liitle too quickly (even if he was a Sicilian). I'm not sure age had anything to do with it. Ater all, during the formulative years, they were all young (Tessio, Clemenza, Vito, Genco). I meant older than 35.....like Tom Hagen was when named consigliere.
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, after glancing to see Sonny enter)
You spend time with your family?
JOHNNY
Sure I do.
VITO CORLEONE (to Johnny, but toward and about Sonny)
Good. 'Cause a man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man.
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: YoungDonVito]
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10/22/07 09:32 PM
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Your question hasn't been asked before, to my knowledge. Congrats, YDV!
Tessio might have been smarter than Clemenza, but he lacked insight and loyalty--two essential qualities in an effective consigliere. Insight: Tessio wasn't sharp enough to see through Michael's apparent passivity in the face of Barzini's inroads. All Tessio saw and cared about were the incursions on his territory, the threats to his livelihood. Loyalty: he put his own interests before those of the family. A human enough failing in a caporegime, but not the stuff of consiglieres. Admittedly, he'd have to have been a big-hearted, far-seeing guy to have done otherwise, but he wasn't. That's why he wouldn't have made a good consigliere.
BUT: No one would have made a good consigliere for Michael Corleone, the hyper-controller, the master manipulator, the supreme distruster. Only Michael could serve as his consigliere.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: Turnbull]
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10/22/07 11:55 PM
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Your question hasn't been asked before, to my knowledge. Congrats, YDV!
Tessio might have been smarter than Clemenza, but he lacked insight and loyalty--two essential qualities in an effective consigliere. Insight: Tessio wasn't sharp enough to see through Michael's apparent passivity in the face of Barzini's inroads. All Tessio saw and cared about were the incursions on his territory, the threats to his livelihood. Loyalty: he put his own interests before those of the family. A human enough failing in a caporegime, but not the stuff of consiglieres. Admittedly, he'd have to have been a big-hearted, far-seeing guy to have done otherwise, but he wasn't. That's why he wouldn't have made a good consigliere.
BUT: No one would have made a good consigliere for Michael Corleone, the hyper-controller, the master manipulator, the supreme distruster. Only Michael could serve as his consigliere. I beg to differ on a couple of points you made about Tessio. He had been loyal to Vito almost forever. He was loyal to Mike until he figured that he was going to be onthe losing side. As far as insight goes, "Tessio had a better opinion of Michael. He sensed something else in the young man: a force cleverly kept hidden, a man jealously guarding his true strength from public gaze ..."
"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
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Re: Tessio as Consigliere
[Re: Danito]
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10/23/07 10:45 PM
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He was loyal to Mike until he figured that he was going to be onthe losing side. Which is quite the opposite of loyalty, isn't it?  Sometimes you have to destroy a country to save it.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
"Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us."
"Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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