I can find no relevant evidence that proves Vincent Mancini was Santino Corleone's son, bastard or otherwise.

In the novel it states that shortly after Sonny was killed, Tom made arraingements for Lucy Mancini to move to Las Vegas where she hooked up with a doctor. Nowhere does it ever say that she was at anytime, pregnant with or had given birth to, a child by Sonny Corleone.

I could go on but typing makes me tired.

Anyone know anything different?

The character Vincent Mancini was "created" for Part III. You'll find no mention of him in the novel (or in the earlier movies of the trilogy).

Welcome Benchgod!

Many of us (including myself)dislike the whole idea of "Vincent" in GFIII. We've had many discussions/debates on the topic.


TIS

Michael did however name him a Corleone in part III when he turns over the power of the family.

How can FFC, et al, do such a thing?
Don't they realize that people like us exist.
Ya' know, it's kinda like saying that Mr. Spock
(from Star Trek)was from a planet other than Vulcan (like...Alabama?)...Sorry 'bout that...I had a moment.(It's OK, I'm on medication for it).

GF4 was built on total B.S. It takes what I think is a mediocre movie and really flushes it down the proverbial toilet!

BTW, I've tried several times to email Mark Weingartner (the guy @FSU) but to no avail. I hope he is as educated in The GF as we all are.
Oh well........just gotta wait n' see.

Double J.......the character Vincent Mancini never existed therefore Mikey could never proclaim him to be a Corleone.

My point is that GF3 is based on a fantasy.

Hey, maybe in GF4, we'll see Michael, in bed, waking up from a horrble dream.

Boy, won't that be a freakin' hoot?

The movie isn't based on fantasy. Just because it didn't occur in the book does not mean Vincent doesn't exist.

If we use your logic, than Dr. Jules Segal doesn't exist either, since he appears nowhere in the first two Godfather movies.

After GF I, Lucy Mancini is not seen again until GF III. Therefore, as far as the films are concerned, it is completely logical that she could've fathered Sonny's bastard child.


And it's not a fantasy. Just check IMDB.

It's not even a film yet. And the book wouldn't be GF IV, it would technically be GF II because The Godfather novel covers GF I + II.

Excuse me, the GF4 was a typo. My other posts referred to GF3.

However, if you read the original book....

Lucy Mancini went to Vegas. There was never any mention about her having a child of any sort, let alone one fronm Sonny C.

Nor was there any reference to that circumstance BEFORE she moved either.

Just remember......I ain't no band leader. Yeah, I heard that story...

Any research I have ever done supports that.......unless you have information sources of which I am unaware. If so....I would most certainly stand corrected.

You seem intent on having the novel as the only source of information for this subject, Benchgod. Using that argument, where did Frankie Pentangeli come from? (He wasn't in the novel). Likewise, how about Hyman Roth?

These characters were created solely for the sequel, just as Vincent Mancici was.

We've had plenty of arguments in the past over the book/movie differences, and I'm sure we'll continue to argue the differences in the future.

BTW - If I haven't already done so, I extend my welcome to you

lol, the movies themselves.

Just to let you know, I am not intent on using the book......however....when it comes to a character that was introduced in the book, it seems pertinent to use it as the point of reference.

Insofar as the characters who did not appear in the novel and were simply invented for purposes of the movie (as long as they were not connected directly to an original)"makes no difference to me"....


"Makes no difference to me what a man does for a living you see. But your business...is a little dangerous."

Thanks for the welcome.


BTW.....The reason why I am so "intent" on this point....aside from the fact that I am a GF "freak".....when I took writing in school....I was taught to "follow the lines...stick to the story." It has served me well. I have written in the "industry" for over 25 years, both small and large.

"Hey, Mikey. Why don't you tell that girl you love her?...I love you with all of my heart and if I don't see you soon, I'ma gonna die!"

BTW.....Double J.....I take it you must rather young...under 21 perhaps...please take no offense...I'm just curious......judging by your responses.


I read the orig. GF book when it first came out about 33 years ago. I have been reading and watching ever since.

It's almost a sickness...at least my therapist says so...LOL

why are you quoting lines from the movie in the middle of your posts?

Well, I am taking a bit of offense. What is wrong with my posts? The fact that I question your reasoning? What difference does my age make? Age is no indication of knowledge or wisdom, and it takes no skill to type something on a message board, as we've had idiots come and go here that proved that theory many times.


It just seems unilateral. While Vincent may be a "made-up" character, other characters have come out of nowhere as well, like SC mentioned. Frankie Pentangeli was supposedly a "friend" and associate of Don Corleone, yet he is not mentioned in the book and does not appear in GF I. Hyman Roth is quite similar in origin; he used to do business with Vito back in the "old days," and yet there is no mention of Roth in the book or GF I. Although the plotline of Vincent Mancini contradicts what happens in the novel, I certainly found the character of Vincent to be intriguing, and a creative way of bringing back the Lucy-Sonny affair that happened in GF I.

Please take no offense to my query. as I am inquisitive by nature and an observer of people, I just wondered...that's all.

However...please re-read my post where upon i explained my feeling on using a so called "made up" character.

As I stated, a Hyman Roth or Frank Pantangelli is O.K. because there was no attachment character in the novel or GF1. But.....you cannot naturally assume that Lucy Mancini had a child by Santino Corleone and use that new personna in GF3, when there is absolutely no mention or evidence of it (child) in it's original form.

Again, a separate entity or character is fine for plot and story enhancement, just so long as there was no prior attachment.

Insofar as the actual character (Vincent) and performance (Andy Garcia)...kudos

Double J.....as a writer and observer....I can tell a great deal about a person by their writing style and structure. It's what I do for a living.

When I am asked to write a script or storyline, part of my research might include a bit of personal writings from various people and other sources. Being able to interpret what I read is essential to what I may write.

There is nothing wrong with your style. As a matter of fact....I find it most refreshing.

Regards.


P.S.....if you are interested, I could direct you to some wonderful material in terms of becoming a writer.

I understand, and I do agree. There was no prior indication that Lucy Mancini was pregnant in GF I, or GF II for that matter, and certainly not in the novel.

Supposing we should look at this from the perspective of the writers themselves, who else could've really taken over the Corleones? Tom Hagen's son was a priest, Anthony didn't want anything to do with his fathers business, and it appears that Sonny's kids (save for the twins) didn't bother to even show or make an appearance at Michael's party.

I wonder whether there were any previous characters who could've made the storyline more interesting than Vincent. Sure, the idea is a little hair brained because those who read the novel will be confused; but certainly it makes sense that a son of Santino is returning to claim his birthright (even if he is a "bastard") and take over the Corleone family from an aging and waning Michael.

I like your thinking DJ......from the writers perspective.....and I'm a writer!!!!!

Suppose, for a moment, that Connie's son (we know she had at least one (remember the baptism scene in GF1?)...."Michael Rizzi, do you renounce Satan?"....could want...a piece of the action...

The Vincent character proved to be an exceptional addition to the fray, unqestionably. Garcia even did a decent job pulling it off (although I do believe a true "sidge" (sicilian)SHOULD have been the choice. But that's just me.

*Ed.note...James Cann is Jewish...however, he did not have to act Italian...just tough!

However, my young friend, bear in mind that we, the reader/viewer, are always at the mercy of the writer.

Something I learned early on in my career....when a good writer is in a bad mood....he can take it out on MILLIONS....(hahaha).....sorry....got carried away...it's ok...I'm on medication. (lol).

The gentleman at FSU who won the enviable assignment of creating GF4 refuses to answer my emails. As I've stated in an earlier post....I just hope he is as educated in the GF as we all are!!

Uh...the stomach grumbles and the brain stumbles...time to eat....


Have a good one.


"We will tolerate no guerillas in the casinos or the swimming pools."

"The mind suffers...and the body cries out."

the movies part 2 and 3 in Puzo's and ffc's words are not supposed to follow the novel in any way. take for example how fredo is portrayed in the novel: Big, masculine and is supposed to be a tough guy. hardly the case in the movie. and alotta of other things as well. so the discussion of lucy being pregnant with vincent not being mentioned is not supposed to be shown in the novel cuz its not supposed to.

Actually....in the book..Fredo had feminine features and a weak personality.


Oh yeah...I don't know who posted the comment about Hyman Roth not being in the book.....he was.
Look carefully. Not as a character relevant to Michael but to the younger Don Vito.


Any way.....got to go....my writing seems to be suffering from a hemmorage.

Actually....in the book..Fredo had feminine features and a weak personality.


Oh yeah...I don't know who posted the comment about Hyman Roth not being in the book.....he was.
Look carefully. Not as a character relevant to Michael but to the younger Don Vito.


Any way.....got to go....my writing seems to be suffering from a hemmorage.

I can live with new characters....my fave being Frankie five angels, but Vincent Mancini? Hell he is Cuban!

What rock got turned over that brought this topic back to life?

By Benchgod's logic, Mary Corleone didn't exist either, since in the novel Michael & Kay had two sons and no daughters.

And Merle didn't exist either, since in the book Connie married a male secretary to the family less than a year after Carlo's death.

And the deaths of Cuneo and Stracchi must have been figments of someone's imagination, since they weren't killed in the novel.

But Plaw, I have to admit this is a brilliant idea! Absolutely gorgeous!
We must suggest it...

I guess that Brando shouldn't have played an Italian Mafia Don because in real life he was an American Indian!


Don Cardi

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And he said when he stpeed off a plane onto Ireland Soil that it was the first time in his life he truly felt Home...

Well, at least Lee Strasberg is safe

His character is "ethnically correct"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JustMe:
[QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Benchgod:
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Hey, maybe in GF4, we'll see Michael, in bed, waking up from a horrble dream.

This is the only solution