I love all the godfather movies but the problem with godfather 3 is simple. Connie, Connie Connie Connie. She ruined it for me. How could she go from someone who couldn't even come to terms with the fact that Carlo helped set up her own brother. To being able to be invovled in all the intimate details of the family business. Where does she get off saying Vincent is the only one left with her fathers strength. She knows nothing about it. I feel that FFC let his family have to much of a say in the movie and put that before quality of the film. Let me know what you all think. I still love the man for what he has given all of us.

Im not a huge fan of Part3, but can anyone tell me if it follows Mario Puzo's book, or did FFC alter the story for the movie.

part III didn't follow the novel of Mario Puzo, and people say he wasn't involved in the film at all unlike he worked with Francis for Part 1 and 2.

couldn't disagree more about connie/talia shire. many articles, entertainment weekly esp., hailed the character/performance as being the BEST thing about the movie and the performance of a life time by shire. i actually still have that very article. they gave the movie an "A" btw.

i think it was a great movie

I love all the godfather movies

Was that not clear to you two. I never said it was a bad movie all i was saying was that having Connie involved in the family business the way she did wasn't at all like the previous two. In no part of the Corleone Empire was a women ever involved and never should it be. Don't you guys remember in Godfather II when Clemenza throws Vito the guns and asks him to hide them. What is the first thing Vito does....? He closes the door to his wife b/c he knows its no place for a women to know his business. I simply felt the by having connie involved was showing weakness in the family that wasn't needed. I'd also like to add that i really like Talia Shire and i think her performance in the movie was very good. However she never should have been that intimatly involved in the Family business.

Connie ruined it for you? Oh dear, I think you're the first person I've heard say that. I hope you realise the implications of what you posted: that Connie is rated higher than the casting of Sophia Coppola as Mary Corleone, the incestuous subplot between Vince and Mary, the whole undigestable plot of the Immobilaire takeover, the other weak casting decisions, and the fact that it was made so long after the previous two, as the biggest problem for Part III's lack of credibility compared to Parts I and II. Hmmm...

You think Connie's involvement was unrealistic? Well, what would you say if I, just to counter that, said Michael's involvement was unrealistic? He was an Ivy League college boy, that innocent son sitting with his girlfriend in the corner of the wedding ceremony, avoiding those he knew to be Mafiosi. How could he head the most powerful of the Five Families of New York? The answer is he couldn't have.

I am exaggerating my opinion of course, to prove a point: that Connie's involvement wasn't unrealistic. The whole attractiveness of the Trilogy is seeing how each character develops, and they all do in their own way. Each character has their own journey, from Tom to Mike to Frankie to Kay to Connie. And IMO, each one is just as realistic as the next--very!

Mick

very well put Capo-and as a backup to my previous post, since i flat out refuse to respond to that PM, you see Talia's performance was exactly what made Connie's involvement believable. Nearly all of what goes on in the Trilogy is unrealistic and it depends on the actors to make the movie accessable. Shire was solid as a rock in her performance, thus it transended into the Connie character being successfully turned into the Mafia Lady Macbeth.
Anyone else bored to tears with the "GFIII was.." topics? NEXT!

FOR THE LAST TIME I'M NOT SAYING TALIA SHIRES PERFORMANCE WAS WEAK!!!!!!!! I SIMPLY THOUGHT THAT HAVING HER GO FROM ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER WAS BAD FOR THE MOVIE LET ME EXPLAIN PIECE BY PIECE SO ALL YOU OF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN:

GODFATHER I: CONNIE GETS MARRIED, AND CAN'T EVEN COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT CARLO SET UP SANTINO.

GODFATHER II: CONNIE IS FLYING AROUND THE WORLD WITH MEN WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT HER AND DOESN'T EVEN SEE HER KIDS. HER OLDEST SON VICTOR GETTING ARRESTED. REAL GOOD SENSE OF FAMILY RIGHT THERE SHE DEFFINTLY KNOWS WHATS GOING ON. I AGREED WITH THIS B/C SHE DID LOSE HER HUSBAND IN THE FIRST ONE.

GODFATHER III: ALL OF A SUDDEN CONNIE SEES EVERYTHING THE WAY MICHAEL DOES. NOT ONLY THAT BUT SHE SEES HER FATHER IN VINCENT. AND ON TOP OF THAT SHE ACCEPTS THE FACT THAT FREDO HAD TO BE KILLED BUT BEFORE SHE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HER HUSBAND WHO BEAT AND CHEATED ON HER COULD BE MURDERED.

-THIS IS IN NO WAY SAYING SHE IS A BAD ACTRESS IN THE MOVIES!!!!!!! I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH!!!!

calm down son, calm down

actually i'm very calm, i was trying to stress the point that i wasn't commenting on her performance. I said it two times before but people seem to keep bringing it up.

I would also like to post what in my mind made the film weak too. Whats with Michael Corleones hair in the 3rd one. He goes from slick and tight to something of a 70's flat top. Anyone else see this. NOTE TO CHILLTOWN: I'm not talking about Al Pacinos acting in this movie. LOL

Godfather III was weak because there was no Tom Hagen.

Did you even read my post? I know what you meant, that's why I commented on her character's involvement, not Shire's performance. If you didn't read my post, which I suspect you didn't, then read it and it will answer what I have just quoted from you.

Mick

There is no wrong or right in determining what was wrong with Godfather III except for that fact that there was a lot. To tell me i'm wrong for my opinion is stupid and being immature on your part for there is no wrong opinion. And if i think Connies performance sucked and ruined the movie for me there is nothing you can do or say that will prove other wise.

Allow me to put my 2 cents in this debate. I found Connies transformation sort of odd in GFIII. As it was explained before, her personality did a complete 180 degree from the previous 2 films. I wouldn't put the whole blame on this, for the, shall we say, the disapointment of the film to many people.

Mike's hair? I thought it was the on saving factor. That style was very common in that time period, and I dont think out of line.

DFTC, I must ask: why post this and send it to me via PM?

When did I ever say your opinion was "wrong?" Yes, I said Connie's characterisation wasn't unrealistic, but that too is just an opinion--like everything else regarding open topics The Godfather.

Mick

Connie, Connie, Connie........I think she was a better Adrian.

Actually, I think the transition of Connie from GF1, through GF2, right into III was not only remarkable but realistic as well.

She started out basically as the sheltered daughter of a powerful man (Don Vito)never having to lift a finger to do anything at all in her life and progressed to the battered wife of a weak man who felt he was being slighted, thereby taking out his aggressions on his spouse.

Through this experience, once she was able to come to terms with the facts about Carlo, Connie became very attached to Brother Michael and learned a great deal about the family business and grew strong through her relationship with Don Mike.

You might say that Connie "grew up" to a certain extent, at a later age than most.

However, the one flaw which I present to myself is this......while she did indeed grow, her basic character trait remained throughout. She spent her entire life living "under the thumb" of a dominant male.


"Someday and that day may never come, I will call upon you to perform a service for me.But until that day, accept this as a gift on my daughter's wedding day."

Well put BG.

Ill Tell You Why GFIII was weak.

It Was Just Shit. Good Acting but Acting cant help some other shitty actors (YES YOU SOFIA COPPOLA) and a shitty story.

ok. canoli has a point. u name me an instant in the first two where any of the female cheracters have any knowledge of what is going on? come on? anybody? well the reason that my question can't be answer is cause it never happens. kay in the first two doesn't interfere, even though she tries to get things out of mike. mama corleone doesn't get involved. so i agree with canoli. what does she descide out of the blue one day that she is gonna wanna try and have some importance in the "family." as if she would know anything about her father or mike. i find it rediculas when she says to vinny "u are the only one in this family with my fathers strength but what did she really know about her father's strength? no much accept that he brought him the money, and the occasionally he got shot. she hated her brother, and only came to forgive him because she probably was tired of running around with men. but by no means would she help him out or try and involve herself in his buisness. it is not italian like. or godfather movie like. besides why would a widow try and partake in buisness' that her murdered husband was a part of?