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Dutch Mafia #340013
11/05/06 02:25 PM
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scarface1991 Offline OP
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i would like to have more information about the mafia and criminal organisations in holland from this year not from old times just maffia in holland from this year. and are they much maffia's or criminal organisations in holland i would to habve much information about the organisations in holland especialy about the italian,russian,turkish,joego and more organisations in holland.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: scarface1991] #340025
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If you go in the cafes in Amsterdam,you spot them a mile off...


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: DE NIRO] #340031
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what u mean i need information i live far away from amsterdam.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: scarface1991] #340038
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Search the net,u can find anything you need to know..I might be wrong but there might be someone on here who can help you.Just have to wait and see.


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: DE NIRO] #340109
11/06/06 03:19 AM
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We had several threads on this topic a couple of years ago, volunteered by some of our Dutch friends--mmfloors, if memory serves. Try doing a search here for his threads.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Turnbull] #340147
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Scarface 1991, you speak Dutch?


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See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Enzo Scifo] #340186
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yes i just sayed i am from holland but i need to know about the maffia's in holland from now.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: scarface1991] #340191
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Here's a link (below) to one of the discussion threads from a few years back that has some info in it (click on the link).

DUTCH MAFIA DISCUSSION FROM 2003


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Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: SC] #340207
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i need info from now.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: scarface1991] #340257
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Link in PM wasn't good?


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See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Enzo Scifo] #340468
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i know that site

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any information ?

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: scarface1991] #341055
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It doesn't look like it


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: DE NIRO] #341057
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Theres only 1 dutch member i know of and thats M.M. Floors and hes never around these days...


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: DE NIRO] #346105
11/27/06 12:02 PM
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I'm still living guys! I was just trying to get more active...

Link: http://maffia.forumup.be/index.php?mforum=maffia

For Dutch members, ask your questions there.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #346108
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Speak of the devil,hes back,.welcome back

Last edited by DE NIRO; 11/27/06 12:17 PM.

The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: DE NIRO] #346149
11/27/06 02:50 PM
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'The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making the world believe he didn't excist...' (Usual Suspects)

I had a very very busy time, and it was a long time too. Now I have more time to speak/post with old mates.

Last edited by M.M. Floors; 11/27/06 05:02 PM.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #346310
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Welcome back MM.

And please, keep us up to date with the Dutch Mafia stories. I look forward to them.



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Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.




Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Don Cardi] #346425
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When I've plenty of time I will tell you guys about Willem Holleeder. It's a very actual thing in Holland. He's a big shot in organized crime and was arrested a few months ago. He's linked with other big people of Dutch crime and is responsible for several killings.

He's defended by top advocate Bram Moszkowicz.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #346924
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Welcome back, MM! Were you serving in the Armed Forces?


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Turnbull] #346974
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That was a long time ago. I served the Armed forces but didn't finish the training because of a injury, 3 weeks before I would get the Green Beret (Commando's)...really sad for me. After that I had enough of the army and left to do a study. (The positive thing is that after I left I met my girlfriend here in Nijmegen. We have 8 months now)

Now I'm in the 3rd year of my Law Study, Dutch Law. I'm 100% on schedule and I want to become a crime-lawyer(don't know the correct word).

So that's the short version of my last 3 years.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #346997
11/30/06 12:59 PM
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M.M., things happen for a reason. And while I understand that it must have been extremely dissapointing for you to get injured at that point of your military career, look at how it directed your life. You met a woman that you care for and now you are on the road to becoming a criminal lawyer.

Sometimes when something negative happens in our life, at that moment we cannot understand why. But that somthing that we view as a negative really winds up being a postive because it may send our lives down a different road, a road that leads to much bigger and better things that develop into a postive for us.


I wish you all the luck.



Don Cardi



Don Cardi cool

Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.




Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Don Cardi] #347055
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All the power on earth can't change destiny... (GF III)

Maybe this was my destiny. Let's hope so...

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #347193
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MM, by sheer coincidence, some US newspapers today carried a story that the authorities in Amsterdam are shutting down about one third of the "windows" in which prostitutes sell themselves in the famous "Red Light District." They say that they aren't against prostitution per se (legal in Amsterdam); they say the whorehouses are used for money laundering, human trafficking and other crimes. The story quotes Fat Charlie Geerts, who owns 20 buildings in the Red Light District, protesting the decision.

I am also interesting in knowing if in the Netherlands, criminal lawyers are paid by fees from those they are representing, or by the courts or government?


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Turnbull] #347311
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It's indeed true they shut down windows. This is possible because of the Bibob, that's a sort of act. It is 3 years active now and Amsterdam makes very much use of this possibility.

The main reason is that Amsterdam wants to end the criminal activities in the Red Light District. Some windows are used as covers/fronts.

Charlie Geerts is the big shot in the Red Light District. He owns a big part of the business.

In total 110 windows are down now.

Lawyers in the Netherlands are paid by fees from the persons they are representing. People who have little money don't have to pay, the government will pay then the lawyers.

Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: M.M. Floors] #347326
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Originally Posted By: M.M. Floors
Lawyers in the Netherlands are paid by fees from the persons they are representing. People who have little money don't have to pay, the government will pay then the lawyers.

Thanks. It's the same here--criminals who have lots of money pay their lawyers to defend them. But very few criminals have any money--most are arrested for fairly minor crimes, or get caught in big crimes before they take away any money. They are represented by Public Defenders: lawyers (probably recent law school graduates) who are paid by the court system to represent indigent defendants. That's why, if you follow the US Mafia in the US media, you see the same criminal lawyers' names over and over again: Bruce Cutler, Barry Slotnick, Gerald Shargel, Ron Kuby, Albert Krieger. They charge huge fees, and Mafia guys are just about the only criminals who can afford them.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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I read a book where the name Slotnick was mentioned. He has to be a very good lawyer. BTW He's the only name in your list I also know.

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I read where Don Geerts was found stuffed in a paint can at the bottom of a windmill weighted down by a pair of size 48 wooden shoes and with a bunch of tulips stuffed in his mouth.


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Re: Dutch Mafia [Re: Turnbull] #348245
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: M.M. Floors
Lawyers in the Netherlands are paid by fees from the persons they are representing. People who have little money don't have to pay, the government will pay then the lawyers.

Thanks. It's the same here--criminals who have lots of money pay their lawyers to defend them. But very few criminals have any money--most are arrested for fairly minor crimes, or get caught in big crimes before they take away any money. They are represented by Public Defenders: lawyers (probably recent law school graduates) who are paid by the court system to represent indigent defendants. That's why, if you follow the US Mafia in the US media, you see the same criminal lawyers' names over and over again: Bruce Cutler, Barry Slotnick, Gerald Shargel, Ron Kuby, Albert Krieger. They charge huge fees, and Mafia guys are just about the only criminals who can afford them.


So true. While public defenders tend to be younger than private counsel, I have found that they gain experience very fast. They also tend to bring enthusiasm. This is where I started my legal career, and have never regretted it. I was 28 when I tried my first death penalty case, but felt more than ready.

I found that criminal defense lawyers require a great deal more creativity than prosecutors do.

If you haven't firmly decided on where to begin your criminal law career, I would recommend that you consider the Dutch version of the public defender.


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