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Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193843
03/05/02 12:28 PM
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Alberto_Neri Offline OP
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In the Godfather and some other maffia movies such as the Sopranos they use the old names of titles such as Caporegime, Don and solders... In some other movies like Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco they use names like Made Members... anyone could explain the differense and in what families there titles are used?


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Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193844
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I Think its all one chain of command

Correct This If Its Wrong*

Don
Underboss
Consigliere
Capo
Lietuenants
Soldiers..thats who i think would be the made guys

Then u just got people who do tasks for mobsters like HENRY HILL in goodfellaz for example...

Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193845
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Alberto_Neri Offline OP
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yeah I know about that chain... but in Donnie Brasco it goes something like this:

Bozz
Skipper (consiglieri?)
Made Members
Other peoples like Donnie


"After all, we're not communists"
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Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193846
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Donnie Brasco was more of a MOBSTER flick if ya get me.....so was Goodfellaz....but The Godfather is a MAFIA flick.....there 2 different things really....the chain of command is different yeah....but there both using the same sorta system

Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193847
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Skipper just means captain like any armed forces would use the same slang. Capo(regime) = Captain/Skipper.

Chain........

The Administration -

The Don, the boss.
Underboss, 2nd in command
Consigliere - adviser

------------------------------------

The Street -

Made members - Capo.
Soldiers, Buttons.

Non made members will include connected guys and associates.

Donnie at the time of his peak was Connected. If he performed his task i'm sure the books would have been open and he would have been made.

Sonny Black at the time was skipper, just a captain and became close to Donnie. Because of this he told far too many secrets to an unmade guy that he shouldn't have done and later he dissapeared. Most likely due to the Administration of the Bonnano family and the others of NY.

Lefty very lucky to survive should have dissapeared too but fortunately was imprisonned.


So die all who betray Giuliano
Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193848
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Salvatore Maranzano (temporary) victor in the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31, is generally credited with creating the Five Family structure in New York, and with forming their hierarchies. Maranzano, who read Latin and enjoyed comparing himself to Julius Caeser, structured regimes inside families, each with a caporegime, captains and soldiers. Consigliere came later. Usage got kind of loose after that--Maranzano, a "moustache Pete," was assassinated on orders from Charlie Luciano (whom Maranzano had marked for death). Luciano then formed the Commission. Today it's hard to know if a consigliere outranks an underboss or vice versa. In one of the tapes the government made on Gotti, he's heard asking Sammy da Bull if he wants to be known as underboss or consigliere--"waddevuh makes youse feel better."


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Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193849
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Technicaly the underboss outranks the consigliare and the consigliare has no real administrative power other than to settle inner family disputes. All the hierarchy though seems to be really based on how much muscle and respect you happen to have. Som soldiers are closer to the boss than some capos. Some connected guys have more power than some made guys, Jimmy Burke for instance.

Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193850
03/12/02 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Knocc Out:
[b]I Think its all one chain of command

Correct This If Its Wrong*

Don
Underboss
Consigliere
Capo
Lietuenants
Soldiers..thats who i think would be the made guys

Then u just got people who do tasks for mobsters like HENRY HILL in goodfellaz for example...
[/b]
Let's try comparing movies.

Dons-Vito Corleone, Sonny Corleone, Remo Gaggi, Vincent Mancini, Barzini, Tattaglia, Cuneo, Stracci, John Nance, Tommasino, etc.
Consigliere-Genco, Hagen,
Underboss-Sonny Corleone, (Picottio??? Casino, they guy who dropped dead),
Capo Regime-Tessio, Clemenza, Paul Vario, Al Neri GF2, Pentangelli, Billy Bats
Made Member/Button Man-Tommy (Pesci in Goodfellas) Cicci, Neri in Gf1, Rocco Lampone, Paulie Gatto, Santorro, Luca, Rosatos
Soldier-Jimmy Burke, Calo, Fabrizzio,
Associate-Henry Hill, Ace Rothstein, Joey Zasa, Roth, Ola, Moe Greene,

Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193851
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Quote:
Originally posted by Alberto_Neri:
yeah I know about that chain... but in Donnie Brasco it goes something like this:

Bozz
Skipper (consiglieri?)
Made Members
Other peoples like Donnie
Ive nevr heard of these terms. But I assume Bozz=Boss=Don
Skipper=
Made Memebrs=Button Man
Donnie Brasco?

Never seen he movie. On my to-do list.

Re: Bosses, made members, capos, solders etc #193852
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fanucci:
Technicaly the underboss outranks the consigliare and the consigliare has no real administrative power other than to settle inner family disputes. All the hierarchy though seems to be really based on how much muscle and respect you happen to have. Som soldiers are closer to the boss than some capos. Some connected guys have more power than some made guys, Jimmy Burke for instance.
In one of the Gf movies. I heard somebody say, to a button man. Don't come to me with your problems. You see your capo, he'll se the consigliere, and the consigliere will see me, etc.

Besies Jimmy Burke, Luca Brasi rings a bell. DING! No. 1 soldier, Vito's personal hitman.


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