"One size doesn't fit all in this scenario"
I agree NYMAFIA. This is a subjective situation. One thought that came to mind is the fact that, CN aren't doing hits like the old days. That makes it easy for some of these well earning Associates to protect their businesses. And if you couple that with having alot of "friends", it may be smarter to not get made.

I mean in the 70s Billy Batts Bentvena was a made guy( of varying levels of importance) and he couldn't protect his business or save his own life. We could assume that happened 100 times over with Associates. For me, if you are so criminally savvy, why deal with the mob at all if you don't want a button??? Why? Because its "safer" now?

If I was a Boss or a Capo for that matter and you turned down a button, you'd better have alot of "friends" speaking up for you
You'll be thinking life is good then the story would go "yeah he came in the club that one night, then he just vanished...."

Now that we have swatted around this subject for a bit, and I see that there is indeed deep interest related to this mob phenomena, We will be putting out what I personally consider to be an extremely sensitive and accurate depiction of what ITS REALLY LIKE out there "on the streets"

I debated posting this up because it indeed touches "most of the bases" regarding the differences between goodfellas and knock around guys. But after some thought I felt If I could write it up properly and succinctly enough so that our readers can truly get an insiders viewpoint, I'd do it. In other words if I could truly do it justice and explain to our readers what I consider to be the truest picture of "the street"... then I'd do it!

I do believe I've been able to accomplish that. I am almost done with the piece now.... Once complete, we will put it up in a separate stand alone post for all to read it and debate the content of it, if you so wish.

I do believe that it will be an eyeopener for many. I certainly hope so anyway. Lol

I believe the rule always has been that no one can raise a hand to slap a made man, much less kill one. Back the old days when hits were common, I guess having the protection of a button was a good safety precaution.

Very good protection!.... and you are correct, NOBODY raises a hand to a goodfella if he wants to keep it.

But what guys used to do (LOL) is sneak a guy!.... not raise a hand. and not ask for permission to kill em.

You ever hear the expression "Cop a Sneak"? Well, thats what happened to many a wiseguy who was a cocksucker. Made or not, you abuse the wrong guy, then he'd just cop a sneak on you. Clip you on the sly without seeking permission. Fuck em! Clip em and dump em!

Many goodfellows got deep-sixed that way.... that why in the life you are told by the more savvy guys "Its nice to be nice"..... to everybody! Show respect!
Because anybody can pick up a gun or knife and kill you. Button or no button.

It's mostly the fear of being watched too closely by the feds. His release is in May.

I don't know what Gerry Pappa was thinking when he had the idea to Cop a Sneak on Shorty Spero. I wonder what proof the Colombo's presented to the Genovese. Then again it's not a jury trial. A couple of good common sense reasons and Pappa not being liked by a top guy and that's all it took.

The Gambino Family wanted to whack Preston Geritano just because they thought he Cooped a Sneak on Bobby Boriello. They had beef going back to when they were hangarounds in the Gallo crew. It only later came out that Frank Lastorino whacked him on orders from Gaspipe.

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Pappa was a bit of a loose cannon, and I'm not sure he was a favored guy up top. Regardless, mob lore has it that they gave that piece of work to Little Dom Cataldo of the Colombo's. He was a tough piece of work. I think Dominick was behind that shotgun that blew Gerry out of his shoes.

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Thats true, and believe me more than a few of the unsolved gangland murders over the years were committed by guys who never asked for permission (because they maybe knew they wouldn't get it). They just sneaked the guy. The hierarchies as well as other wise guys on the streets never knew, and never asked who did it..... the body was just chalked up to a "mob hit" and left up in the air.

Another good example of this was Joe Brocchini who was hit in 1976 by Roy Demeo. Never sanctioned, Demeo just did it quietly without permission. ..... he "copped a sneak"

Not 4 nuthin' ..but did the good mods delete my earlier post of Robert DiBernardo's address????....Did I do something that was prohibited?? teach me..I won't take offense & I won't do it again..thanx.

I have no idea.