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If Danny Marino & Joe Watts #994934
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whacked Gotti Jr back when they were plotting against him- now that Gene is out, does anyone think he would be seeking retribution granted Joe Watts is not getting released just yet.

Out of the Gotti brothers, it’s said that Gene had more of a mean streak than John Sr. And he’s the only Gotti others fear me and respect. The other brothers just don’t have it in them especially Pete who is just namesake and prefers to take a passive approach.

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I dont think so. Gene knew he was going to be in jail for a longtime so it would have been pointless by the time he was released. Also it’s true Gene Gotti was well liked and respected. I think Gravano has said several times that he was the “best if the Gottis”. But I’m not sure if he had a bigger mean streak. I mean obviously he was a tough guy too but his brother was more well known for his temper tantrums. I know Gene was described himself as the “workhorse” of the Bergin crew though. He was also made before John

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just to get off topic. for a great while there has been rumors that Watts was paid FB Ipaid informant... when Gotti juniror ratted him out,,,it proves the point that he was one,,, he took the plea,,, and took a chance of him seeing the streets,,,

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Gene is on fed supervised release for life
So if he were 1/2 smart he isnt meeting with anyone really
Pass his messages through family members who he can TRUST 1000 percent
And stay away

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Originally Posted by thekidfromthesouth
just to get off topic. for a great while there has been rumors that Watts was paid FB Ipaid informant... when Gotti juniror ratted him out,,,it proves the point that he was one,,, he took the plea,,, and took a chance of him seeing the streets,,,





A one-time top lieutenant for John Gotti lived a dangerous double life as mob mole for the FBI, the Daily News has learned.

Joseph Watts served as an informer for about 13 months until early last year, sources said.

Watts, 55, had hoped to avoid jail time with his balancing act, but ultimately he and his FBI handlers became disenchanted with the arrangement.

The deal collapsed and Watts is serving six years in prison after pleading guilty to disposing of the body of a Gambino mobster. He is also awaiting trial for a Gotti-ordered murder in 1987 and could be sentenced to 25 years to life if convicted.


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Off topic but i heard alite say watts was German along with what is usually mentioned as his heritage. But recently i listened to the that ego maniac on mob talk radio scolding his listeners and any other authority on Lcn for claiming watts was German. He says watts is irish welsh aka he's irish. I heard Gianni from the godfather in an interview recently talk about watts and discribed watts to the interviewer as a German associate. He was making it seem like they were good friends. I found an article on watts and it does say his nickname the German is just that, a nickname. He is irish and Welsh. Point is..does anyone know the truth. It.doesnt really matter but id find it interesting to find out he was irish since hes always being compared to burke due to there stature in a lcn family for a non member.

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He was on another level from Jimmy Burke...during the 1980s and 1990s he made something in the neighborhood of 40 million dollars

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Another level? In What way? Burke was in jail in the early 80s for life. Burke was one of the most feared guys in new york, if not the most feared guy for a decade. He was a legend, the master mind behind the biggest heist in America's history. So what level are you speaking of?

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Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
Another level? In What way? Burke was in jail in the early 80s for life. Burke was one of the most feared guys in new york, if not the most feared guy for a decade. He was a legend, the master mind behind the biggest heist in America's history. So what level are you speaking of?


Most feared guy is bullshit,his capo could have had him wacked whenever he wanted vs Joe watts who was direct w Carl Gambino,Paul Castellano and John Gotti ... and did hits for all of them and krugerman and Lou Werner were the masterminds. And jimmy only murdered people he could get away w killing ..he didn’t dare try that shit w Vinny Asaro


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
Another level? In What way? Burke was in jail in the early 80s for life. Burke was one of the most feared guys in new york, if not the most feared guy for a decade. He was a legend, the master mind behind the biggest heist in America's history. So what level are you speaking of?


Most feared guy is bullshit,his capo could have had him wacked whenever he wanted vs Joe watts who was direct w Carl Gambino,Paul Castellano and John Gotti ... and did hits for all of them and krugerman and Lou Werner were the masterminds. And jimmy only murdered people he could get away w killing ..he didn’t dare try that shit w Vinny Asaro



Uhh Jimmy Burke killed that Paolo LiCastri guy, a MADE man from Sicily in the Gambinos. You are clearly selling him short.

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Originally Posted by WhackWhack
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Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
Another level? In What way? Burke was in jail in the early 80s for life. Burke was one of the most feared guys in new york, if not the most feared guy for a decade. He was a legend, the master mind behind the biggest heist in America's history. So what level are you speaking of?


Most feared guy is bullshit,his capo could have had him wacked whenever he wanted vs Joe watts who was direct w Carl Gambino,Paul Castellano and John Gotti ... and did hits for all of them and krugerman and Lou Werner were the masterminds. And jimmy only murdered people he could get away w killing ..he didn’t dare try that shit w Vinny Asaro



Uhh Jimmy Burke killed that Paolo LiCastri guy, a MADE man from Sicily in the Gambinos. You are clearly selling him short.


I’m not sure that’s true,I’m not sure Paolo was made here ,maybe in Sicily..the reason I say this is. Jimmy couldn’t do shit for tommy desimome who was murdered because he killed foxy


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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This is your opinion obviously. I could argue back that gotti when burke was around wouldnt do shit to provoke burke. Burkes was ridiculously feared and you obviously know the joe watte story and no nothing about Burke. He was loved by all bosses. He gave everyone a taste and made every boss money. Also vario was under boss at a point and was running the family with 2 other captains. He could of been boss but didn't want it. Look up ducks the boss and the luchs boss before him and learn they were burkes friends and loved him. If you think these guys backed an irishman who at will took and killed who he wanted because he wasn't respected and feared your out of your mind. Let tommy died? Such a ioke, its the mob!! What do u think they do baby sit your kids? Im sure watts never did something like that lol. Unlike your opinion i agree from all accounts on watts his respect was that of a capo and he was respected like he was made. They always say he had the same respect in his era as non member as burke

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Paul Vario was NEVER the underboss and he would have loved to be the boss he just never had the support
And the people Jimmy killed he got PERMISSION from Paul Vario who got permission from his boss Tony Ducks..Tony ducks didn’t even like Paul Vario... Paul only became acting capo in the early 50s because certain guys in that crew didn’t want it..but Paulie was very respected and was close to Ciro Perone and Anthony ruggiano ...huge numbers business back in the day... but money talks loudest in that life and Burke wasn’t in the same league as Joe Watts

As a side note in the late 60s the candidates for boss were tony ducks,Jimmy Pulmeri ,Vinny Rao,Johnny Dio and Carmine Trumanti

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
Another level? In What way? Burke was in jail in the early 80s for life. Burke was one of the most feared guys in new york, if not the most feared guy for a decade. He was a legend, the master mind behind the biggest heist in America's history. So what level are you speaking of?


Most feared guy is bullshit,his capo could have had him wacked whenever he wanted vs Joe watts who was direct w Carl Gambino,Paul Castellano and John Gotti ... and did hits for all of them and krugerman and Lou Werner were the masterminds. And jimmy only murdered people he could get away w killing ..he didn’t dare try that shit w Vinny Asaro


Gotti never went after Burke for taking over Billy Bats shylocking customers and then killing him did he ??

Krugman and Werner were no masterminds lol..Werner just knew of the money coming in...It was Burke who planned how it was gonna be carried out, and how not to get caught !!

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I disagree and vario goes back to the old murder ink crew and ill send the link from a Henry hll interview where he says vario was promoted to underboss and then decided to run the family with 2 Capos. Im by no means a vario fan but his crew in canarsie/brownsville was one of the most powerful crews at the time. Again. You must not know who jimmy burke was. He feared nobody and made all the bosses money. To say in the Reagan era watts made more money because of bilottis book and raging construction decade in manhatten handed to him by gotti you might be write. But jimmy burke was in quite a few fields of organized crime and made a shit load of money. Now you want to have them call there old accountants and roll up there sleeves and see who walks who...thats up to you. Mt point that watts is even refered to a burke level as a non Italian shows im not far off in my thinking

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Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
I disagree and vario goes back to the old murder ink crew and ill send the link from a Henry hll interview where he says vario was promoted to underboss and then decided to run the family with 2 Capos. Im by no means a vario fan but his crew in canarsie/brownsville was one of the most powerful crews at the time. Again. You must not know who jimmy burke was. He feared nobody and made all the bosses money. To say in the Reagan era watts made more money because of bilottis book and raging construction decade in manhatten handed to him by gotti you might be write. But jimmy burke was in quite a few fields of organized crime and made a shit load of money. Now you want to have them call there old accountants and roll up there sleeves and see who walks who...thats up to you. Mt point that watts is even refered to a burke level as a non Italian shows im not far off in my thinking


Watts was doing hits for Carl Gambino and Castellano before gotti..Burke’s not in his league...burke was a highjacker and bookmaker, Watts was one of the biggest loan sharks in the city and ran different construction companies and did hits for the boss of the family whoever that was at the time just like watts father did ..watts father was close to Carl Gambino and Castellano and Mario Traina and Joe Acuris father who also was a wise guy...and Henry hill was a junkie that just sprouted shit. Paulie was never the underboss it didn’t happen..From Al darco to Casso to the fbi filed in the 1960s. It didn’t happen Paul vario was lucky he wasn’t killed becuase of the “gold bug” much less promoted..

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Again that's opinion, explain why every article you read on Vario from the new york post to wikipedia says he was underboss up until 1975. Also im sure at one point ever mobster almost gets clipped, bosses got clipped. What's that gotta do with varios power? At one point he was ridiculously powerful. When sonny went away, vario took over nassau and suffolk and was the only one powerful enough to do it. Other families had guys try and sonny scared them off. Burke made money for all the bosses, wacked people at 16 for bosses. Henry hhill becomes a rat and so did gotti jr who shared rackettes with watts. What's your point. Tommy bilottis book was given time to watts for the Costello hit, no? Again i believe watts was powerful man and when they speak or him they speak of him in the same sentence as Burke.

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Hello fellas, I don't usually chime into discussions of this nature but in this case I thought I'd put my two cents in. I think it's a matter of semantics really.

First of all as far as my understanding goes, both Burke and Watts were respected guys in the NY underworld because they were "with" made men that were respected. You gotta remember that. Next, both Burke and Watts were very "capable" guys with a gun. And neither one was somebody to take lightly. But at the end of the day each was only flesh and blood and would have gotten clipped in two seconds if it was ordered by the hierarchy. And each was of Irish/German lineage I think. END of story!! They could kill good fellows on the sneak but they could never beat a good fellow legitimately "at a table". Thats just the way it is.

BOTH were very big earners. Burke always earned and of course his claim to fame was the $5.8 million Lufthansa heist. Burke had pulled big heists before as well. Watts was said to be another good earner who had many millions "out on the street" which in and of itself shows a certain sophistication (it's not an every day occurrence to have $9-million out "working" as some alleged he had).

But between the two I'd say that Watts lived a much, much, much better and loftier lifestyle. My understanding is that he lived in a home worth big money in S.I. I think it was. He also owned a home in Florida, down south, or the Islands that was a show stopper. Burke lived in a mediocre run of the mill house in Queens. Watts dressed like a star, like a million dollars in custom made suits and shirts. Burke dressed like the half a blue-collar guy he was, a half a slub. Watts ate in the finest Manhattan restaurants and drank in Park Avenue establishments, while Burke grabbed hotdogs off a cart and slugged down whiskey at Roberts Lounge in Ozone Park. There is NO comparison between the two in that category.

Both were equally capable and deadly. Both were equally treacherous and "snakes." Both served their crews loyally and kicked up big money. And both ended up doing a lot of time in prison.

Vario or Gotti?? LOL....... Paulie was a HUGE earner and very well respected. BUT he was never liked or considered for a hierarchy position. He was from Brooklyn. End of story! The Lucchese power was ALWAYS in Harlem. Only in recent years with Amuso has the power shifted to Brooklyn. Not in Vario's day.

Gotti? Well respected capo as well. He became "BOSS" so obviously that trumps "capo" but he was NEVER deserving of that spot. He took it!! And now the world sees how well the borgata faired under him. Gotti was a disaster for the Family and OC in general. A fucking disaster!! They should have named him "Johnny Titanic" after the ship that sunk instead of "The Teflon Don". lol

Remember too that supposedly Watts had been either directly or indirectly under boss Paul Castellano (if that's even true - I don't know). If true, then he had as good a audience to the bosses ear as anybody. True or false that I cannot say.

Truthfully I'm not a fan of either man. I think they were both treacherous guys and not to be trusted at all. But thats just me.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Hello fellas, I don't usually chime into discussions of this nature but in this case I thought I'd put my two cents in. I think it's a matter of semantics really.

First of all as far as my understanding goes, both Burke and Watts were respected guys in the NY underworld because they were "with" made men that were respected. You gotta remember that. Next, both Burke and Watts were very "capable" guys with a gun. And neither one was somebody to take lightly. But at the end of the day each was only flesh and blood and would have gotten clipped in two seconds if it was ordered by the hierarchy. And each was of Irish/German lineage I think. END of story!! They could kill good fellows on the sneak but they could never beat a good fellow legitimately "at a table". Thats just the way it is.

BOTH were very big earners. Burke always earned and of course his claim to fame was the $5.8 million Lufthansa heist. Burke had pulled big heists before as well. Watts was said to be another good earner who had many millions "out on the street" which in and of itself shows a certain sophistication (it's not an every day occurrence to have $9-million out "working" as some alleged he had).

But between the two I'd say that Watts lived a much, much, much better and loftier lifestyle. My understanding is that he lived in a home worth big money in S.I. I think it was. He also owned a home in Florida, down south, or the Islands that was a show stopper. Burke lived in a mediocre run of the mill house in Queens. Watts dressed like a star, like a million dollars in custom made suits and shirts. Burke dressed like the half a blue-collar guy he was, a half a slub. Watts ate in the finest Manhattan restaurants and drank in Park Avenue establishments, while Burke grabbed hotdogs off a cart and slugged down whiskey at Roberts Lounge in Ozone Park. There is NO comparison between the two in that category.

Both were equally capable and deadly. Both were equally treacherous and "snakes." Both served their crews loyally and kicked up big money. And both ended up doing a lot of time in prison.

Vario or Gotti?? LOL....... Paulie was a HUGE earner and very well respected. BUT he was never liked or considered for a hierarchy position. He was from Brooklyn. End of story! The Lucchese power was ALWAYS in Harlem. Only in recent years with Amuso has the power shifted to Brooklyn. Not in Vario's day.

Gotti? Well respected capo as well. He became "BOSS" so obviously that trumps "capo" but he was NEVER deserving of that spot. He took it!! And now the world sees how well the borgata faired under him. Gotti was a disaster for the Family and OC in general. A fucking disaster!! They should have named him "Johnny Titanic" after the ship that sunk instead of "The Teflon Don". lol

Remember too that supposedly Watts had been either directly or indirectly under boss Paul Castellano (if that's even true - I don't know). If true, then he had as good a audience to the bosses ear as anybody. True or false that I cannot say.

Truthfully I'm not a fan of either man. I think they were both treacherous guys and not to be trusted at all. But thats just me.


Originally Posted by NYMafia
Hello fellas, I don't usually chime into discussions of this nature but in this case I thought I'd put my two cents in. I think it's a matter of semantics really.

First of all as far as my understanding goes, both Burke and Watts were respected guys in the NY underworld because they were "with" made men that were respected. You gotta remember that. Next, both Burke and Watts were very "capable" guys with a gun. And neither one was somebody to take lightly. But at the end of the day each was only flesh and blood and would have gotten clipped in two seconds if it was ordered by the hierarchy. And each was of Irish/German lineage I think. END of story!! They could kill good fellows on the sneak but they could never beat a good fellow legitimately "at a table". Thats just the way it is.

BOTH were very big earners. Burke always earned and of course his claim to fame was the $5.8 million Lufthansa heist. Burke had pulled big heists before as well. Watts was said to be another good earner who had many millions "out on the street" which in and of itself shows a certain sophistication (it's not an every day occurrence to have $9-million out "working" as some alleged he had).

But between the two I'd say that Watts lived a much, much, much better and loftier lifestyle. My understanding is that he lived in a home worth big money in S.I. I think it was. He also owned a home in Florida, down south, or the Islands that was a show stopper. Burke lived in a mediocre run of the mill house in Queens. Watts dressed like a star, like a million dollars in custom made suits and shirts. Burke dressed like the half a blue-collar guy he was, a half a slub. Watts ate in the finest Manhattan restaurants and drank in Park Avenue establishments, while Burke grabbed hotdogs off a cart and slugged down whiskey at Roberts Lounge in Ozone Park. There is NO comparison between the two in that category.

Both were equally capable and deadly. Both were equally treacherous and "snakes." Both served their crews loyally and kicked up big money. And both ended up doing a lot of time in prison.

Vario or Gotti?? LOL....... Paulie was a HUGE earner and very well respected. BUT he was never liked or considered for a hierarchy position. He was from Brooklyn. End of story! The Lucchese power was ALWAYS in Harlem. Only in recent years with Amuso has the power shifted to Brooklyn. Not in Vario's day.

Gotti? Well respected capo as well. He became "BOSS" so obviously that trumps "capo" but he was NEVER deserving of that spot. He took it!! And now the world sees how well the borgata faired under him. Gotti was a disaster for the Family and OC in general. A fucking disaster!! They should have named him "Johnny Titanic" after the ship that sunk instead of "The Teflon Don". lol

Remember too that supposedly Watts had been either directly or indirectly under boss Paul Castellano (if that's even true - I don't know). If true, then he had as good a audience to the bosses ear as anybody. True or false that I cannot say.

Truthfully I'm not a fan of either man. I think they were both treacherous guys and not to be trusted at all. But thats just me.

Well said & told synopsis NY...thank u!!


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What does fashion and house size has anything to do with these two men? Carlo Gambino lived in a humble home and big Paul had a mansion. Carlo dressed like any old grandfather and paul dressed like a wall street exec. Burke and watts were both serious guys was my point and mentioned in the same sentence often due to being non remembers. Tony ducks was caught on wire tap with fat Tony about how they wack captains like it's nothing. So in that life weather you are made or not made, i would think the risk is high for both parties. Both watts and burke did a lot of work and im sure made men were in that column. Truth is they were both gangsters and very notorious italian or not. I was reading the book "tough guy" by Eddie Maloney and first chapter he says after his fiend Mcbratney was wacked by gotti. He was never sure if he did or didn't have a contract on him for his involvement in the gambino kidnapping. So he he went to burke and burke was good friends with dellacroce and neil called off the contract on him as a favor to Burke. The assumption that jimmy Burke because he did the dirty work or lower rung crimes was a nobody and not an earner is just flat out untrue. The bosses all new him, made money with him and highly respected him. He was a boss of his own crew and did his own dirt up until he went away. He split money with vario his friend and was allowed to come and go as he pleased for the most part. As i learned watts did the same. I watched a harlem black gangster in an interview say how feared, fearless and respected burke was even as an old man in jail. Yes they were bad people but we are not commenting on the boy scouts web site. Its about organized crime which shockingly doesn't produce the most kindess of human beings

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I always thought Gene was older than John.
Wiki says 1946 to John's 1940.
How come Gene was made when the books were opened not John?

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Originally Posted by dsd
I always thought Gene was older than John.
Wiki says 1946 to John's 1940.
How come Gene was made when the books were opened not John?


Gene was on the street. John was serving a bid

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Originally Posted by jackdempsey1930
What does fashion and house size has anything to do with these two men? Carlo Gambino lived in a humble home and big Paul had a mansion. Carlo dressed like any old grandfather and paul dressed like a wall street exec. Burke and watts were both serious guys was my point and mentioned in the same sentence often due to being non remembers. Tony ducks was caught on wire tap with fat Tony about how they wack captains like it's nothing. So in that life weather you are made or not made, i would think the risk is high for both parties. Both watts and burke did a lot of work and im sure made men were in that column. Truth is they were both gangsters and very notorious italian or not. I was reading the book "tough guy" by Eddie Maloney and first chapter he says after his fiend Mcbratney was wacked by gotti. He was never sure if he did or didn't have a contract on him for his involvement in the gambino kidnapping. So he he went to burke and burke was good friends with dellacroce and neil called off the contract on him as a favor to Burke. The assumption that jimmy Burke because he did the dirty work or lower rung crimes was a nobody and not an earner is just flat out untrue. The bosses all new him, made money with him and highly respected him. He was a boss of his own crew and did his own dirt up until he went away. He split money with vario his friend and was allowed to come and go as he pleased for the most part. As i learned watts did the same. I watched a harlem black gangster in an interview say how feared, fearless and respected burke was even as an old man in jail. Yes they were bad people but we are not commenting on the boy scouts web site. Its about organized crime which shockingly doesn't produce the most kindess of human beings


You had originally "gone off topic" from Tough Tony with your questions as you said. But Louie had mentioned that Watts and Burke were on "different levels". You asked how, and I just responded.

The clothes and house per se don't make the man, but collectively with all the other things I mentioned they do draw a clearer picture between the two of them. My point in bringing those things out was to show "how they traveled" around NYC and in what circles they each hung out, and in turn were accepted in. Watts dined on Park Avenue, Burke didn't even know where Park Avenue was.

I gave "props" to both for their balls and money earning abilities, yet also tried to show the differences between them. YOU make the choice, I just showed the similarities and differences.

Also Understand that Tony Ducks had zero to do with Burke. Most likely knew of him, yet probably never met him. And thats regardless of whether money was kicked up the hierarchy to him.

By comparison, Watts was known to have served directly under Castellano and later been close to Gotti as well (2 bosses). That too should be considered no?

As I said, at the end of the day I'm not really a fan of either. But this is just my 2-cents worth of observation.


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