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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: mike68] #984257
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Originally Posted by mike68
Remind me who is gunning for the Commisso's?


in the wiretaps calabrian bosses in italy said 'the sicilians' but it is not known yet to whom they referred, probably the rizzuto's or caruana-cuntrera's

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There is/was group the Wolfpack, I don’t know much other than prominent HAs with alliances that may be responsible.


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Originally Posted by m2w
Originally Posted by mike68
Remind me who is gunning for the Commisso's?


in the wiretaps calabrian bosses in italy said 'the sicilians' but it is not known yet to whom they referred, probably the rizzuto's or caruana-cuntrera's


If we knew who was targeting whom, as well as who is allied with whom, we could all quit our day jobs.

The book Business or Blood had appeared to convincingly argue that the Caruana-Cuntrera group in the GTA had allied itself with the GTA Siderno Group against Vito Rizzuto and his loyalists. In Canada and Italy, criminal collaboration between the Caruana-Cuntrera clan and the Siderno Group has been a fact for many decades. Now, whether the alliance described in the book proved in time to be factually correct is another question altogether; there are also the possibilities that, if the alliance was indeed in place, the Caruana-Cuntrera group resumed being loyal to the "Sicilian" group in Montreal, and/or components of the GTA Siderno Group did the same.

My opinion is that for a little more than 20 years, the seven 'ndrine that make up the Siderno Group in the GTA haven't been in agreement with one another about its relationship with a Montreal Mafia that was led by Vito Rizzuto and, after his death, by his loyalists. Recall that Humphreys and Lamothe's The Sixth Family explained that, in 1998, the Commissos in the GTA allowed the Rizzuto organization to establish more of a foothold in Ontario because the two crime families were allies. I also see more and more evidence of dissent within the GTA Siderno Group that has led to internecine violence over the last six years or so.

From Rocco Muscari's Italian-language article published August 12, 2019 in the Gazzetta del Sud (Calabria edition, p. 17) (the excerpt below contains a very small portion of the transcript of the wiretaps):

Afferrato il riferimento si collocava la vicenda nell'ambito di una scissione operata da qualche appartenente ai clan calabresi, alleatosi «con i siciliani» presenti in Canada: una coalizione che, di fatto, poneva quei soggetti in contrapposizione con i loro stessi interessi criminali. È al gruppo dei "siciliani", infatti, che secondo uno dei conversanti sarebbero da imputare una serie di azioni violente commesse contro i componenti del "Siderno Group of Crime", come ad esempio la bomba al bar di Co'", l'incendio del locale di "Gimi" e l'uccisione del nipote di "Remo Commisso":«Loro sono arrivati e sono entrati diretti; che gli ha detto che comanda lui. Gli hanno buttato il bar; da Gimi gli hanno messo fuoco; voglio vedere se comando io. Ma chi c...o [cazzo] sei tu? Gli hanno messo fuoco alla Road Food ... gli vuoi mettere fuoco a tutti. Perché se non hanno un motivo valido, che vai a fare una cosa, che gli hanno messo la bomba nel bar del Co* (Cosimo) "».

Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #984285
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another possibility is that caruana-cuntrera's and rizzuto's are not allied, so the murder of agostino cuntrera was committed by rizzuto loyalists and the two groups are fighting eachother, and siderno group is also divided, some support one faction and some the other

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Originally Posted by m2w
another possibility is that caruana-cuntrera's and rizzuto's are not allied, so the murder of agostino cuntrera was committed by rizzuto loyalists and the two groups are fighting eachother, and siderno group is also divided, some support one faction and some the other


I don't know whether the Caruana-Cuntrera group and Rizzuto loyalists are allied in Quebec and Ontario at the moment or whether they always were. Liborio Cuntrera's being identified at one point as part of a mafia roundtable in Montreal might lend support to the argument that those two groups were and are allied, as does the strong theory that the Caruana-Cuntrera group were responsible for the disappearance of Giuseppe Renda, who had thrown his support behind Sal Montagna. (Recall that the New York–born Renda's parents were paesani of the Rizzutos.)

In Daniel Renaud's Cellule 8002 vs mafia book, a chronological chart of the godfathers and leaders of the Montreal Mafia shows Agostino Cuntrera sandwiched between Paolo Renda (leading from 2006 to May 2010) and Nick Rizzuto Sr. (leading from July to November 2010). So police sources and other sources place Cuntrera as a leader of the Montreal Mafia for June 2010 only -- Renda's, Cuntrera's and Rizzuto Sr.'s murders coincided with the end of their respective tenure. This is why I don't think Cuntrera was murdered by Rizzuto loyalists.

Cuntrera had ties with Carmine Verduci of the GTA Siderno Group, and Rocco Sollecito had ties to 'ndrangheta members who descended from the Locride -- I don't think the ties are what made Cuntrera and Sollecito targets for murder.

Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: m2w] #985649
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Originally Posted by m2w
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Remind me who is gunning for the Commisso's?


in the wiretaps calabrian bosses in italy said 'the sicilians' but it is not known yet to whom they referred, probably the rizzuto's or caruana-cuntrera's


There is a coalition of Calabrian clans, allied "with the Sicilians" present in Canada that are behind a series of violent actions committed against the members of the "Siderno Group of Crime", including arson attacks and the killing of the grandson of Remo Commisso.

https://reggio.gazzettadelsud.it/ar...ta-7f1610be-592f-4ae3-a85d-360285b86f09/

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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #985653
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The question is who are the Siclians? Montreal, Bonannos, Buffalo?


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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: Hollander] #985718
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Its cuntrera I'm a local word on the street commissos ripped them off a million dollars

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Hey antimafia the reporter is also mixing up the Commissos lol.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Hey antimafia the reporter is also mixing up the Commissos lol.


Was the article corrected after first being published online? What did the original article incorrectly state?

Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #985760
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Originally Posted by antimafia
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Hey antimafia the reporter is also mixing up the Commissos lol.


Was the article corrected after first being published online? What did the original article incorrectly state?


The article says:

Commisso has a serious but dated, criminal record, including conspiring to murder two Sicilian mobsters in Toronto.

He has denied involvement in criminal activities.

Commisso was captured in Woodbridge in 2005.


But "the quail" have been in prison since '93.

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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #989444
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Was directed to this..the Twitter of an Ex Cop from Hamilton..retweets about a Mob Associate giving information to the RCMP Detective in Stoney Creek.

Implies it occur in 2016 and that the Cop sold the information to others within OC...lots has happened since

https://mobile.twitter.com/mobinfiltrator

Second Tweet...claims it is a Hamilton informer.

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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #991091
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Dear Friends,
here is the link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TiQsmtGmEgqzlwjjsCYU13ThbrmXB4bK

to my last, unpublished paper, title: “‘Ndrangheta in Great Toronto Area: the latest developments of its governing body”.
It's the continuation of my previous one, published here:

https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profi...onto-area-canada-hit-but-still-too-power

I hope of your interest.

Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #992652
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You can't miss reading:

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2020/06/latest-developments-of-ndrangheta.html


"... in-depth analysis of the ‘Ndrangheta in the Greater Toronto Area ..."

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Originally Posted by Machin1
You can't miss reading:

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2020/06/latest-developments-of-ndrangheta.html


"... in-depth analysis of the ‘Ndrangheta in the Greater Toronto Area ..."


Are you from Europe

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This arrest followed right after the one that put Diego Serrano in prison, which seems to have lead to the targeting of his son by people from Hamilton.

Son of East End Hamilton Parkdale Clubber, Mike Watson kid, Zane is one of the arrested. Does anyone know if he got any prison time?

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/the-hamilton-spectator/20150618/281702613349050


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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #994276
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Lots of information I never heard before, also reiterated of previous statements. The guy who does these seems well researched.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoSmmJdslDY&list=WL&index=15&t=0s

Seems like the Commisso and Figliomeni seem to be a thing to themselves of sorts, based on dominance of Siderno in Reggio? Both families have a long history it seems of success, if you can call it that.

I know in Southern Italy, that the Sigs have key people in Calabria and Naples, since at least Lucky Luciano and Genovese over there, as well cigarettes, drugs and masonry with getting certain people as Cosa Nostra of sorts as in Camorra and Ndragheta. Could these Commisso and Figliomeni be that high level? What separates them, at the elite all the groups work together as one.

Also Carmine Verducci was the Vito Rizzuto of sorts for the Ndragheta in Ontario, in the sense very influential. He had a presence in Hamilton. His murder was a bigger deal than was made to seem, and like Rizzuto created a power vacuum.


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The story of an alleged clash in Toronto between a Siderno Locale of 'Ndrangheta and the Wolfpack Alliance.

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2020/09/ndrangheta-clash-in-toronto-when.html?m=1

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Just found this, I think the mob shot up a city councilors house

https://youtu.be/ptuJuTLBBlI

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'Ndrangheta in Great Toronto Area: charts and a classification

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2020/12/ndrangheta-in-greater-toronto-area.html?m=1

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Is he related to the Giovanni Costa shot dead outside his Thornhill home in 1991?


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Costa is a common name in the GTA Italian community not sure of relation to the Costa murdered in 1991 but Michael Costa was an associate of Steve Tello leader of cocaine importation cell linked to the Sinaloa cartel.
Maybe an overlooked angle to the long list of murders in GTA/QC is that some of these murders are being done by cartel hitmen not local Italian OC.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Costa is a common name in the GTA Italian community not sure of relation to the Costa murdered in 1991 but Michael Costa was an associate of Steve Tello leader of cocaine importation cell linked to the Sinaloa cartel.
Maybe an overlooked angle to the long list of murders in GTA/QC is that some of these murders are being done by cartel hitmen not local Italian OC.

i read el chapo wanted tello dead and he asked hells angels to do it

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Kinda what I'm driving at.
Costa was close to Tello and the reason behind the attempted hit was stolen money I believe. Tello is in jail Costa had his charges dropped.
Even in Canada guys still get jail time for come not nothing.
So maybe Costa got left holding the bag for thee debt or alleged theft or he's a snitch
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Almost everyone else from project Harrington of any note has been sentenced to prison time already.

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There is so little information compared to the US and Italy, don't forget the 2018 trial in Ontario Superior Court in Toronto was the first ever in Canada to target the 'Ndrangheta as an organized crime group.


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The Italian media outlet TeleMia just recently reported that Vincenzo Macrì’s sentence in relation to Operazione Acero-Krupy has been reduced. A subsequent article, published within 24 hours, indicates toward the end that Macrì, had he been able to intervene in time, could have prevented the murder of Carmine Verduci [in Woodbridge, just north of Toronto, in April 2014].

https://www.telemia.it/2020/02/processo-dappello-fissato-per-il-boss-vincenzo-macri/


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^^^^
Mafia figure tied to GTA murder gets Italian prison sentence reduced

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ets-italian-prison-sentence-reduced.html

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Originally Posted by antimafia
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Mafia figure tied to GTA murder gets Italian prison sentence reduced

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ets-italian-prison-sentence-reduced.html


Macri previously served time behind bars in a US prison between 1989-2002 for drug trafficking. He later moved to the Netherlands.

There should be more on the US case in which he was convicted, anyone?


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