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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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06/23/20 07:11 AM
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@ Tonytough
He also respected those who he feared; He could have gotten rid of the Cherry Hill Gambino's who were close with Paul Castellano. He let them earn via drugs; knowing they were violent; and he didn't want to rock the boat with those in sicily.
Even though Nino Gaggi was indicted on charges around the time Gotti became boss; He was out on the streets for about 4 months and refused to meet with Gotti. Refusing to meet a boss could be a death sentence.
He was stand-up; and tolerant in some ways...
Last edited by Zavattoni; 06/23/20 07:19 AM.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
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Decicco wouldnt be boss in my opinion. Gotti was the boss and Decicco liked him. I mean he betrayed Castellano for Gotti as did Gravano.
. He didn’t betray Castellano because He loved Gotti. There were many other factors than that. There was Paul’s greed, there was the Frank Piccolo murder that really was a bad move by Paul, there was the fact that Paul planned to name Tommy Gambino as acting boss. So it wasn’t that Gotti was this fantastic choice. I also think Frankie was smart enough to know Gotti would eventually screw himself with his flamboyant ways which did happen. Look like I said I know you are a big Gotti fan that’s fine but you give the guy way too much credit. I just try to be objective. I give him credit for being a tough guy and all of that. But the majority of people will tell you he was one of the worst bosses of all time.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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Neo, not true ,sr made lil nick captain Nicky was promoted in 1992 while Snr was in prison. Since Jnr was acting boss in 1992 and liked Corozzo, I assumed he was responsible for Nicky's promotion.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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06/24/20 04:38 PM
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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@Lenox,
@JCrusher is right. Scarfo was a better earner then Gotti "Individually" As a whole when Gotti was boss; He was making more then Scarfo.
Gigante was light years better then Gotti as the boss of a major crime family. Only people I'd say come close to him was Corallo and maybe Castellano....
Chin's life wasn't as horrible as you think..... He was still visiting social clubs; resteraunts.... Things of that nature... Taking vacations...
And too JCrushers point; Gotti was a horrible boss.... I put him on the category of Persico and Rastelli..
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: JCrusher]
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Thanks Zavattoni!!! I just try to be fair. I’ve been studying Gotti for many years. This is not just my opinion. The majority of people, mobsters, and law enforcement have said similar things about Gotti. No problem bud; You're a knowledgble poster; and you're right. It's common knowledge that Gotti was a ******** boss... If he didn't get arrested in 1992; I think the Genovese and Lucchese's would have had him dead in the streets like a dog.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Zavattoni]
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06/25/20 07:53 PM
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Thanks Zavattoni!!! I just try to be fair. I’ve been studying Gotti for many years. This is not just my opinion. The majority of people, mobsters, and law enforcement have said similar things about Gotti. No problem bud; You're a knowledgble poster; and you're right. It's common knowledge that Gotti was a ******** boss... If he didn't get arrested in 1992; I think the Genovese and Lucchese's would have had him dead in the streets like a dog. Thank You for the Kind Words. I have always enjoyed your posts and knowledge too.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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@Lenox
You're not listening; Yes; Gotti made more money as Boss then Scarfo did; but individually; Scarfo made more money when he was in A/C for Angelo Bruno. Gotti was not a good earner .. Gotti wasn't even a made guy (I believe/Correct me if I'm wrong) when Scarfo was in full swing in A/C.
I agree with you; Scarfo was a worse boss then Gotti...
@JCrusher
Thanks for the kind comments.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
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Agreed. Scarfo was made in 1954-55 and he got started in AC in the 60s. He was already doing pretty well before Gotti got made. Gotti didn’t get made until October 1977. Do I think Scarfo was a bad boss? Yes I do because he was a paranoid psychopath. However when I take everything into account I still think Gotti was one of the worst bosses of all time. You kind of imply that Gotti was worse then Scarfo. They both fit into the category with Rastelli; Persico and Casso/Amuso. Who do you think was worse; Rastelli or Persico? I always lean back and forth with no decision with those two. I think they are worse then Gotti though.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Lenox]
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You really think Scarfo was making a lot of money before he was boss? Gotti’s crew were killing it with heroin. Scarfo wasnt making real money until he was boss. There is a reason why Dellacroce and carmine fatico loved john gotti, he was a big earner. We only hear about his gambling but he brought in a lot of money after moving to queens. Yes; Scarfo was making a ton of money with the legalization of Casino Gambling around 1976 or so... Gotti wasn't even made then..... He was in jail. How could he be a better earner around that time period? @JCrusher. I got Scarfo's rank wrong; He was never a captain.... Just a soldier with a few associates. It's stunning that he went from a soldier to consigliere under Phil Testa. Skipped the capo rank.
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Zavattoni]
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06/26/20 10:38 AM
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You really think Scarfo was making a lot of money before he was boss? Gotti’s crew were killing it with heroin. Scarfo wasnt making real money until he was boss. There is a reason why Dellacroce and carmine fatico loved john gotti, he was a big earner. We only hear about his gambling but he brought in a lot of money after moving to queens. Yes; Scarfo was making a ton of money with the legalization of Casino Gambling around 1976 or so... Gotti wasn't even made then..... He was in jail. How could he be a better earner around that time period? @JCrusher. I got Scarfo's rank wrong; He was never a captain.... Just a soldier with a few associates. It's stunning that he went from a soldier to consigliere under Phil Testa. Skipped the capo rank. Yes that’s true he went from soldier to consigliere. Part of it was his friendship to Phil Testa. Also New York told Testa To make Scarfo either underboss or consigliere. As for Lenox I give up lol. I mean we are both giving him facts that back up the fact that individually Scarfo was a better earner. Gotti was an ok earner at best. He was a hijacker. He didn’t really know much about any other rackets. He was a degenerate gambler so whatever money they earned he pissed a lot of it away. This is backed up by Angelo and Gene. What earned Gotti a reputation was that he was a tough guy and proven he could do a stretch in prison and keep his mouth shut. That’s mainly it
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: Tonytough]
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06/26/20 01:07 PM
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@JCrusher
Scarfo definitely had it lucky due his friendship to Phil Testa. But tbh; Philly is known to have soldiers bumped to admin positions. Look at Joey Merlino; John Stanfa; Joe Ligambi; Micheal Ciangalini. None of these guys were captains... But some how someway they got bumped to Boss/Front Boss/Acting Boss...
And yup; Gene and Angelo talked on wiretap about how shitty John Gotti was with gambling money away....
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
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So Gotti gambled a lot, that doesnt mean he didnt earn. Michael Jordan made millions playing basketball and lost millions gambling but he still earned a lot of money.
. Again you aren’t listening. We aren’t saying he didn’t earn. We are saying he wasn’t a top earner which is a FACT. Guys like Demeo, Gravano, and others in his own family were bigger earners than him and it’s not close. Scarfo was too. We are trying to help you out Lenox 😂 I agree but how much of that was down to Gravano betraying other guys and absorbing their rackets, though? He seemed to do stuff like that more than once to the point where it became somewhat of a recurring theme. De Meo seemed to force his way into a top spot in that family, even when the hierarchy wanted nothing to do with him, because they simply could no longer afford to ignore how much money he was bringing in. Gravano, undoubtedly a good earner, but had a propensity for leeching off other guys work, accusing them of insubordination [ironic], and turning guys against them. As admirable as it may be that Gravano is trying to get Locascio out of prison now, remember that he laughed off almost getting Locascio whacked by twisting things he said to Gotti during that interview on Diane Sawyer.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
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Gotti,Angelo Ruggerio and Frank guidice we’re partners in a bookmaking business that did 300-500k A WEEKEND in bets during the football season, he made thousands a week from numbers and gambling machines...he and his crew made millions in the drug business...Mark Reiter and Arnold Squitieri are the guys who supplied Nicky Barnes after Madonna went to prison and pistol Pete’s father for that matter What scarfo made in a month during the late 70s gotti was making that by Friday as a skipper. There’s no comparison. Angelo Bruno was offering scarfo 1k a week to come w him..it’s like comparing Jessica Alba and Rosanne Barr I wish we had thumbs up or some type of approval mention for each posts since this one would sky rocket as a leading post.
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Re: Gotti’s problems with Little Nicky & others
[Re: bronx]
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Neo, not true ,sr made lil nick captain Got a source? I'm not doubting you, I'm just interested in the source because I got Jnr down as promoting Lil Nick after Snr went away.
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