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Ghostly image at funeral #99
12/10/01 03:42 PM
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We've all seen it, and thanks to someone on the mailing list who pointed out this link , we know that Roger Ebert has finally seen it, too. Ebert asked Coppola about it, and apparently he never knew about it!

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'Godfather' still surprising, even to Coppola

December 2, 2001

While watching the new "Godfather" DVD, I noticed a startling image. During Vito's funeral, Tessio comes over to tell Michael about the upcoming meeting. As Michael stands up, in the crook of his left armpit a half picture of a woman's face can be seen. Who is it? How did it get into the frame? My roommate says it's Kay, and since it's over his heart, it's symbolic of their love. That sounds like hogwash to me, but I don't have a better answer.

--Tony Bates, Norman, Okla.

Roger Ebert: Good gravy! I see her, too. I owe an apology to Jeffrey Horowitz of Syosset, N.Y., who wrote earlier with the same sighting. I couldn't find the woman, and told him so. Now your description sent me back for a frame-by-frame creep through the sequence, and there she is, ghostly red against black, fading in and out. Is this a real ghost image, or only an optical illusion, like those Elvises people see on screen doors?

I asked director Francis Ford Coppola, who replies: "Gee, I know nothing about this. Will look, I guess. The funeral scene was shot really quickly, and I was disgruntled that they removed one day from its schedule. So nothing elaborate was done: we shot it as fast as we could."



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Re: Ghostly image at funeral #100
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I tried many times but still can's see it on my copy (I'm still to get the DVD collection).....I guess I won't regret missing it, would I?


"..Your youngest and strongest will fall by the sword.."

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Got to admit...in all these years I never once noticed that image & never even heard of it until joining this board. Then I DID see the face while watching last week's Uncut on TNN!!!

Sonny, if it's on the DVD, look for it just as Michael is getting up to go talk to Tessio; on the left (his left, your right) side of his dark suit.

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It's kind of hard to notice. I watched the movie many times before I saw it, and had to actually look for it to see it. It's something that some people catch the first time they see it, and other people don't see it until you point it out to them.

[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: DonThomas ]


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Originally posted by DonThomas:
...and other people don't see it until you point it out to them.


"..what's the 'see' note for (Don Thomas)??? I take that as an insult..." LOL...I had to say it grin


"..Your youngest and strongest will fall by the sword.."

"...now you gotta speak more than one language to pull a heist..." Pudge Nichols

"...Never shall innocent blood be shed; yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The THREE shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeaful striking hammer of God..."
Re: Ghostly image at funeral #104
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...I had to say it



And THAT I do not forgive...

J/K grin

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Re: Ghostly image at funeral #105
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Originally posted by Sonny:
I tried many times but still can's see it on my copy (I'm still to get the DVD collection).....I guess I won't regret missing it, would I?


You aint missing anything at all. I only noticed it through other people pointing it out on the old board. It's obviously an error in the production and editing. It's no big deal apart from the confusion it causes as to who the woman is that appears as the mystery ghost.


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Re: Ghostly image at funeral #106
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"..what's the [b]'see'
note for [/b]


(Alternately applauding and groaning at the same time). rolleyes


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I watched this part last night. The woman is DEFINETLY NOT Kay. I'm not sure who it is.


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The person it looks like to me is Mama Corleone, who is to Michael's left.


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I'm glad I'm not crazy, and other people see the face as well! The main reason I signed up on this board was to mention the ladies face during the funeral scene. I'm surprised so many people needed to be told about it, im not sure if I saw it the first time I saw the movie, it was too long ago, but I defiantly saw it myself and it scared me abit, lol, like the little boy who appears in the movie "3 men and a baby", but that's a different story...

Had anyone also noted that in GFII, during the new years eve celebrations, one shot has a silhouette of a piece of film over the bottom of the screen, its only quick so get the pause button ready if u haven't already seen it.


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This 'image' was the topic of a discussion a while back. May I add an expert opinion.
The woman who appears on Michael's jacket is Mama Corleone, who is sat next to Michael at the funeral. The reason she appears is simply because two reels of film have been joined together at that point, and sections of frame have overlapped. This happens whenever reels are joined, and the editing team will remove it. Looks like this is one that slipped through the net. Can you blame them? It's hard to spot, even when you are looking at it! smile


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Re: Ghostly image at funeral #111
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i know this is an OLD topic but i think i know who the image is! Its Kay from the deleted scene where she lights a candle in the church for Michael! Creepy....

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As Yogi would say, it is hard to see it even when you view it. It is a shame that FFC was under such a tight schedule to complete this scene. While it is great in its own respect it could have been better if you can believe that. Maybe, Fredo was not in the scene because he was at another location and couldn't get there in time. That may explain it.
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Thanks for bringing this topic back up!

I just took snapshots from the DVD, and have created a page about it here:

http://www.jgeoff.com/godfather/ghostly_image.html

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my dvd looks like Kay, but your shots of it looks sorta like Mama Corleone.


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I gotta admitt... Before I came to these forums half a year ago, I never saw the image. But, when I did months ago, you better believe I was showing everyone who watched it with me! grin


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It sounds wierd but look closely at the curvature of the eyebrow, it`s mama corleone.

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I've said it before, but I believe it's Eleanor Coppola....she had that sort of hairstyle (short fringe) and it's looks like her cheek/nose structure...I could find any good old close up photos of her but here is one where you can compare the nose/cheek thang:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

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Good point. Looks like it, a bit... But not as much as you make it out to be.


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She looks more like Morgana King. Wasn't she sitting next to Michael and perhaps her reflections from the camera bounced back a Mike.

Hey Sveta, do you know what Elenor or FFC win the Emmys for?


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I was about to ask the same question... What did she win for?


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I agree with Anthony Vincent Andolini I immediatelly thought that it was mama Corleone smile


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Yeah, these ghostly things in movies circulate from time to time. The other famous one is 'Three Men and a Baby' and the supposed 'ghost in the curtains'. Even though I do believe it was a prank that the producers pulled.

Take a look at it here:

http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/feb01/ghostboy.html

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From what i've found out, the image is a reflection of Mama Corleone's face off the lens of the camera and thus recorded over Mike's shoulder.

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Originally posted by The Bobfather:
From what i've found out, the image is a reflection of Mama Corleone's face off the lens of the camera and thus recorded over Mike's shoulder.
And were did you find this info from?


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I know this has been posted before, but that entire scene contains some of these "screen leaks" where images appear on dark clothing... call it sun spots, reflections, whatever, it happens several times throughout that scene. But no doubt, the full face image is weird...


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A magazine I have claims that Coppola has said the phenomenon was caused by a freak reflection in the lens.

I guess many socalled "ghost" photographs have been caused by the same problem!!

Incidentaly, I couldn;t swear to this, but watching the film in a cinema five days ago, I noticed that the face seemed much fainter than on DVD. I couldn't swear to it; I wasn't looking that hard.

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I'm pretty sure that it's Mama Corleone (Morgana King). Not only does her sitting directly next to Michael substatiate the overlapping reels/freak reflection idea, but the others are more of a stretch. Much like the "Paul McCartney is dead" rumours of the late 60's, anything can be probable if you can twist it right.

-it could be Kay from the closing (additional scene on the bonus DVD) sequence, but why would those 2 scenes be merged together, unless Coppola desired this effect, which he calls a "freak" reflection or something.

-It could be Talia Shire. It's probable, but imho because of her distance from Michael in that scene it is doubtful.

-It could be Mrs. Coppola, but again, FFC's comment makes that extremely unlikely.


Anyways, on my DVD, the image is retained throughout most of that sequence after it first appears on Michael. If you focus on the right side of the screen, you can see the image faintly appear at various points when looking at the family, and can most blatantly be seen on Tom Hagen (other than on Michael).



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BOOOOOOO! the ghost has returned. Today is Easter. I thought this was our holloween thread?


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