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charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. #984975
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THE RIZZUTO FACTION
(OCT.6,2012-DEC.23,2013)
BOSS
VITO RIZZUTO

Leonardo Rizzuto
Vincenzo Spagnolo

Street Boss
Rocco Sollecito

Sollecito cell
Leader
Stefano Sollecito

Liborio Cuntrera
Nicola Spagnolo
Desiderio Pompa
Giuseppe Focarazzo
Steven Vogl

Vito Salvaggio
Carmelo Cannistraro
Natalino Paccione
Andre Thibodeau
Gianpietro Tiberio
Antonio De Blasio


Callochia cell
Leader
Tonino Callochia

Roger Valiquette
Nicolae Catalin Vinersar
Darrell Van Elk
Bryan Cullen

Marco Pizzi
Erasmo Crivello
Soninder Dhingra
Richard Desormiers

senior members
(inactive)
Domenico Manno
Emanuele Ragusa
Girolamo Sciortino

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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #984987
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Did Vito Rizzuto or his dad make anyone? I know that Spanish guy who was killed in Sicily claimed Vito made him but I don't buy it. I've also read there were Sicilian guys very close to Vito who weren't made.

On that same note, when and where did Vito get made? New York? Anyone know who in the Bonannos made him?

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985003
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I have never read anywhere in any of the numerous books about the mafia in MTL of Nick Sr. or Vito holding a ceremony.That doesn't mean they never happened being a secret criminal society and all.
I would have to assume that Vito was made by his father.Nowhere in all the court testimony from the bonanno rat squad does anyone including massino mention V.R. being made by whom or when.
And as far as juan ramon fernandez being made that is nonsense.No full Sicilian made man would allow that.Probably j.r.f just puffing out his chest.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985005
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Nicolò Rizzuto had been a member of the decina led by the Calabrian Vic Cotroni, so he was made into the Bonanno's probably Galante.


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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: Hollander] #985022
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When do you think it happened? Before or after Venezuela?

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985039
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It’s hard to believe that the Bonannos (even in the midst of the Massino catastrophe) would allow such a profitable offset of their family to cut itself off and run independently.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: LuanKuci] #985046
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
It’s hard to believe that the Bonannos (even in the midst of the Massino catastrophe) would allow such a profitable offset of their family to cut itself off and run independently.


especially with loose control over the Rizzutos. It could of worked in their favour

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: LuanKuci] #985048
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
It’s hard to believe that the Bonannos (even in the midst of the Massino catastrophe) would allow such a profitable offset of their family to cut itself off and run independently.


That's assuming there was anything the Bonannos could do about it. You've got an international border in your way for starters, so it's not as easy as a bunch of Staten Island wiseguys taking a quick road trip into Montreal to lay down the law on their erstwhile brothers in crime. Would they even know who to go looking for up there, or where to find them? Or who they are?

Particularly at their peak, the Rizzutos built a group that was enormous; the actual number of "made" men (if they are even made in Canada, in the American LCN sense) may be small but the number of associates according to court documents goes well into the hundreds. Not to mention hundreds more equally fearsome allies. And while American LCN has learned to operate in the shadows of RICO laws and that murder is bad for business; there are no such similar laws in Canada; as anyone can see it's still the Wild West in the Quebec Mafia, there have probably been more mob related murders in Quebec in just the past two years than in all of New York in the past ten.

My point is anyone (like Salvatore Montagna) who thinks they're going to come up from NYC and tell the Rizzutos what to do will probably be recieved similarly - i.e. they will be sent home in a bodybag.

Hollywood audiences may place weight in what the boss of the Bonanno family has to say, but the head of the Rizzuto crew/clan/family whatever they consider themselves to be, apparently do not. I would be shocked to learn that either Rizzuto or Sollecito would give two damns what Mikey the Nose has to say. That's the difference between the Hollywood image and the reality of the situation.

If you read the Court Transcripts which included wire conversations between Massino and Vitale (on the subject of the murder of Gerlando Sciascia), you would even be inclined to believe that Massino was more afraid of Rizzuto than vice versa. These transcripts are referenced in Mafia Inc. and in the Sixth Family. You can probably find them online as well.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: eastsideofvan] #985059
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I couldn't agree more the Rizzuto's had surpassed the bonannos in size and influence even before sciascia's murder.
The 1999 murder finally gave them the reason to formally bring an end to the subservient relationship.
Also the way gerlando sciascia was portrayed as THE CAPO of montreal crew in NY was never true he would have been operating under direction of the Rizzutos in NY.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: CabriniGreen] #985060
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I would say there is a good chance that Nick Sr. was made in Sicily before his 1954 arrival in Canada.
His father-in-law was antonio manno who at the time was #1 mafia boss in Agrigento and cattolica eraclea.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985065
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I think in those parts of Sicily, especially with a father like Libertina Manno’s father , you get made the day she becomes your wife. ‘The women give you, your respect and honor’.

‘Un omicidio e come un matrimonio in Sicilia’

A murder is like a wedding in Sicily, only ways to make blood, or something very close to that, I can’t fully recall, I apologize.

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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: eastsideofvan] #985066
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”If you read the Court Transcripts which included wire conversations between Massino and Vitale (on the subject of the murder of Gerlando Sciascia), you would even be inclined to believe that Massino was more afraid of Rizzuto than vice versa. These transcripts are referenced in Mafia Inc. and in the Sixth Family. You can probably find them online as well.”


Does anyone have this above?

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985077
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i think i rember sal vitale saying he went up there in the 90tys to run a induction. also think carmine galante gave nick rizutto permission to kill violi but he didnt have phil rustellis ok to have violi whacked and that started galante downfall

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985078
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galante probaly deffinitly inducted vito in 1977. galante made aton of guys that year

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: pmac] #985088
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Originally Posted by pmac
galante probaly deffinitly inducted vito in 1977. galante made aton of guys that year


Already in the 50s Galante pocketed tens of millions from Montreal. Mostly from drug trafficking.


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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: streetbossliborio] #985091
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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
”If you read the Court Transcripts which included wire conversations between Massino and Vitale (on the subject of the murder of Gerlando Sciascia), you would even be inclined to believe that Massino was more afraid of Rizzuto than vice versa. These transcripts are referenced in Mafia Inc. and in the Sixth Family. You can probably find them online as well.”


Does anyone have this above?


It's all laid out in the book Mafia Inc.

I can't recall this word for word, but I'll try: Sal Vitale visited Montreal in 1999, after the death of Gerlando Sciascia, with Anthony Urso; if you read about this meeting the truth is better than fiction.

In a nutshell: Vitale was there to "deliver the news" to Rizzuto that Sciascia had been murdered and to assure him that that Bonannos were looking for the real killers. Vito, already certain that Sciascia was killed by the Bonanno family, had chairs set out for himself, Vitale, Urso, Frank Arcadi, Paolo Renda and one other which he deliberately left empty, intended to symbolize a chair for Sciascia.

Vitale's real purpose fo the visit was to take a headcount, on orders from Massino, to assess how many "Bonannos" were in Canada. Vito Rizzuto responded that there were a total of 19 made members in Montreal.

Vitale then asked who was in charge to which Rizzuto replied that everyone in Montreal was equal and that no one was in charge. Vitale told Rizzuto he was authorized by Massino to offer him the Capo position for Montreal to which Vito politely declined; which was taken (perhaps as intended) as a direct insult to Massino.

The RCMP and FBI believe that it was at this point, following the death of Sciascia, that any tributes that were being paid from Montreal to NYC stopped. This was the point at which the Rizzutos formally, if without saying so outright, severed their ties with the Bonannos.

I would tend to believe that accounting of events, particularly given the lack of co-operating evidence any of Massino, Vitale, Cantarella, Coppa, Lino or others had to offer against the Montreal members, with the obvious exception of the events in 1981. None appeared to be in possession of any more recent knowledge.

Mafia Inc. is a great read, and the superior book to "The Sixth Family" - for a thorough understanding of the Rizzuto clan I highly recommend it.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985114
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Because Vito Rizzuto declined the captain position offered him by the Bonanno Family, Nick Rizzuto Sr. was named captain -- as we all know from reading the various books and articles published since at least 2006, Vito had suggested his father anyway.

The most in-depth details of Vitale's visits to Montreal are found in Daniel Renaud's Vito Rizzuto : la chute du dernier parrain, published in November 2018. Even Humphreys and Lamothe mention in The Sixth Family... that there was more than one visit by New Yorkers to Montreal to deal with the question of who would replace the murdered Gerlando Sciascia. What Humphreys and Lamothe were unaware of before the publication of the 2006 first edition of their book and even after the publication of their 2014 edition is that RCMP officer Lorie McDougall and his colleagues had gathered evidence at the time of Vitale's last visit that Nick Rizzuto Sr. was named captain. For years McDougall had suggested he and Renaud write a book together, but Renaud was reluctant. Renaud changed his mind, and McDougall is credited as a collaborator on the aforementioned November 2018 book.

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985118
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Thanks anti, if Nick was already made in Sicily he was probably transferred to the Bonannos once settled in Canada of course his links to Sicilian Mafia (Cuntrera-Caruana) also remained strong.


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THE RIZZUTO/SOLLECITO FACTION
(Dec.24,2013-Nov.19,2015)
BOSS
ROCCO SOLLECITO

SOLLECITO CELL
LEADER
STEFANO SOLLECITO

Vito Salvaggio
Giuseppe Focarazzo
Desiderio Pompa
Carmelo Cannistraro
Natalino Paccione
Andre Thibodeau
Gianpietro Tiberio
Antonio De Blasio

RIZZUTO CELL
LEADER
LEONARDO RIZZUTO

Vincenzo Spagnolo
Nicola Spagnolo
Liborio Cuntrera
Steven Vogl

Callochia cell
leader
Tonino Callochia

Marco Pizzi
Erasmo Crivello
Nicolae Catalin Vinersar
Darrell Van Elk
Bryan Cullen

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ThAnks east side, anti - I need to read this book then! Got a stack of unread books I need to go through first!

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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
ThAnks east side, anti - I need to read this book then! Got a stack of unread books I need to go through first!


Same here i buy them but haven't the time to read them lol, yesterday I got The Life and Times of Lepke Buchalter.


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Haha happens all the time Hollander. Now I’m intrigued about the lepke book! Let me know what it’s like pls

Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction. [Re: VitoCahill] #985506
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Leonardo Rizzuto is most likely the boss and possibly ub Stefano Sollecito , don't know about capos

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mafia in MTL doesn't have a boss and underboss administration/hierarchy presently like those in u.s. mafia.
maybe in years 1999-2006 it may have had a similar structure to families in u.s. but after the Rizzutos 2006 mass arrests and decades long war no such structure exists.
if Leonardo is boss it would make S.Sollecito street boss in same role his father held for Vito.
members/associates work directly for these 2 top leaders.at this time there are no capo positions there are cell leaders in charge of small groups for specific crimes and territories.

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i would be surprised if anyone in the mafia up there took there marching orders from a guy im guessing never probaly had a fistfight in his life and his whole family has been killed by other gangsters. i would guess hes just atop adviser to whoever is at the top. think its slim picking up there as made guys go. there getting picked off by street gangs its all fucked up, up there. thats chaos not OC

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The most senior figure is Francesco Arcadi, who was already acting boss when Vito served his sentence in the US.

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Similar to Nicolo Sr, Victor or anyone else who will take on leadership position. It was more than likely a organization decision, probably involved talks in Sicily/Southern Italy, South America, and everywhere else the Rizzuto does/did business.

The West Coast of Sicily is very influential, and the link to Palermo and Reggio, was evident in the bridge deal to Messina, that Rizzuto was part of that was worth billions of dollars. I think Rizzuto was convicted in Abenstia. Not to mention Nicolo Sr links to Milano, and everything that Milan represents.

Although Victor Rizzuto is gone, the system that produced him remains, I assume whatever decision have been made, it will have taken a similar process to make them, they are typically made in and for blood.


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Leonardo Rizzuto got beat down by a biker one time in the late nineties. Donald Bam Bam Magnussen. That same year Magnussen disappeared after heading off to meet Mom Bucher to do a deal. Later they found Magnussen and another guy named Steinert floating in the St Lawrence River. They both had been tortured and they had their skulls crushed with blows from baseball bats and hammers. I think Magnussen was also having other problems with Bucher as well. Seems like a 'two birds one stone' scenario. Make Vito happy, and get rid of some loudmouth who's causing problems.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
The most senior figure is Francesco Arcadi, who was already acting boss when Vito served his sentence in the US.


Arcadi was Vito's faithful Underboss for years and - as a Calabrian - was essential symbolically to keeping the Sicilians and Calabrians working together under the Rizzutos in those years. His brief tenure as acting boss however, was disastrous. He's a solid number two though and despite his lineage has always proven to be one hundred percent faithful to the Rizzutos.

The other name who is back out there, and a big money maker is Francesco Del Balso who has in past years been touted as a "Capo" as far as such structure may or may not currently exist.

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Tony Suzuki, hes like the Where’ s Waldo, of all this?

It’s been inferred that Tony Suzuki was one of many individuals Rizzuto met with after release, to attain an agreement for Rizzuto to seek Vendetta.

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