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Paul Castellano footage #966942
03/17/19 02:32 PM
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Anyone seen this video of Paul Castellano; and Thomas Bilotti? Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhcE_B8vSQ

Bilotti looks like a brutal guy; Someone not to cross on the streets.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966944
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Looks like Bilotti wants to hurt whoever is taking this clip. Scary.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966946
03/17/19 02:42 PM
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His jacket might have been a couple of sizes too small. But then again most bodyguards dress that way. His brawn didn't do him much good that night at Spark's.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: OakAsFan] #966956
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
His jacket might have been a couple of sizes too small. But then again most bodyguards dress that way. His brawn didn't do him much good that night at Spark's.


It sure didn't. Just looking at this clip; He doesnt seem like a friendly guy. Most of the family hated him right?


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966967
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I glean what little I know from Gravano's book. Those guys didn't appear to be big fans of Bilotti.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966974
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
His jacket might have been a couple of sizes too small. But then again most bodyguards dress that way. His brawn didn't do him much good that night at Spark's.


It sure didn't. Just looking at this clip; He doesnt seem like a friendly guy. Most of the family hated him right?

Yup. He was known as a abusive gorilla

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966982
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I don't know if this clip was after Dellacroce died; but Bilotti seems like a son to Paul. Anyone have anymore insight of Bilotti's relationship to the blue collar faction?

Paul in this clip imo looks powerful but worried....

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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966983
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
I don't know if this clip was after Dellacroce died; but Bilotti seems like a son to Paul. Anyone have anymore insight of Bilotti's relationship to the blue collar faction?

Paul in this clip imo looks powerful but worried....

Pretty sure it was sometime before Neil passed

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #966986
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Bilotti even walks like a gorilla. Paul looks like he had some - how the Germans would put it - "Weltschmerz" hanging over him.

Speaking about Dellacroce, is there a lot of footage of him? Going by his pictures alone that guy came across as terrifying. Almost like some demonic presence.

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: TheKillingJoke] #966988
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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Bilotti even walks like a gorilla. Paul looks like he had some - how the Germans would put it - "Weltschmerz" hanging over him.

Speaking about Dellacroce, is there a lot of footage of him? Going by his pictures alone that guy came across as terrifying. Almost like some demonic presence.

Yes quite a bit of surveillance on him. In fact im trying to finish up a video that has all surveillance of the Ravenite from April-August of 79. I'm will hopefully be able to post in on here when done

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: JCrusher] #966996
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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Bilotti even walks like a gorilla. Paul looks like he had some - how the Germans would put it - "Weltschmerz" hanging over him.

Speaking about Dellacroce, is there a lot of footage of him? Going by his pictures alone that guy came across as terrifying. Almost like some demonic presence.

Yes quite a bit of surveillance on him. In fact im trying to finish up a video that has all surveillance of the Ravenite from April-August of 79. I'm will hopefully be able to post in on here when done


Sounds cool!

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: JCrusher] #966997
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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Bilotti even walks like a gorilla. Paul looks like he had some - how the Germans would put it - "Weltschmerz" hanging over him.

Speaking about Dellacroce, is there a lot of footage of him? Going by his pictures alone that guy came across as terrifying. Almost like some demonic presence.

Yes quite a bit of surveillance on him. In fact im trying to finish up a video that has all surveillance of the Ravenite from April-August of 79. I'm will hopefully be able to post in on here when done


Definitely sounds cool!!

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #967002
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Paul definitely looked worried in this clip about something. Maybe I'm wrong...

Neil was Paul's underboss for 8 years. Iv never seen a picture of them together. Anyone have any photos of them with eachother?

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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #967017
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some one runs a site they linked from here its called lcnbios.wwwwwww its pretty cool guys does alot of reserch. my point was tom billotti wasnt even a capo till i think he wrote 1983. i thought for sure him and paul were real tight since the 60tys he wasnt even one of the first 10 guys made when the books were open in 1976. pauls a brooklyn guy tommy was raised it says on staten island just weird they were so close i wonder who connected them, probaly some obscure staten island capo from way back then

Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: pmac] #967057
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Originally Posted by pmac
some one runs a site they linked from here its called lcnbios.wwwwwww its pretty cool guys does alot of reserch. my point was tom billotti wasnt even a capo till i think he wrote 1983. i thought for sure him and paul were real tight since the 60tys he wasnt even one of the first 10 guys made when the books were open in 1976. pauls a brooklyn guy tommy was raised it says on staten island just weird they were so close i wonder who connected them, probaly some obscure staten island capo from way back then


I always thought Bilotti became a captain in 77 when Paul took over

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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #979589
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@JCrusher.

Did you ever finish up the survellance from the Ravenite?


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
@JCrusher.

Did you ever finish up the survellance from the Ravenite?

Hey Zavattoni thanks for asking. I had some issues with my computer and lost some files that had a lot of footage i had. Also been very busy with work and family. Not sure if or when i will have it. If you want i could still tell you about what was on them(dates,mobsters by name, etc). Just send me a PM

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Re: Paul Castellano footage [Re: Zavattoni] #979646
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@JCrusher.

Sending you a PM now.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.

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