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Buffalo Mob #976036
07/29/19 01:01 PM
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http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/Buffalo?updated-max=2017-11-07T03:51:00-08:00&max-results=20&start=2&by-date=false

Amoia-Sam Sol
BiFulco-Frank 1945 Capo
Bordonaro-Ignazio Harold 1950 Canada
Brindisi-Pasquale Paddy 1942 Utica
Cannizzaro-Annunzio Red
Carcone-Russell 1954 Capo Utica
Cardinale-Ronald
Caruso-Corrado Cookie Canada
Chimera-Robert
Cipolla-Frank Canada
Cipolla-Paul* Canada

Corelli-Phillip 1963 Utica
Criminisi-Ralph Canada
DePaolo-Bruno* Bronzie 1967 Canada
DePaolo-Joseph* Joey Dips Canada
DePaolo-Michael* Canada

Falzone-Frank* 1950-
Feliciano-James 1977 Utica
Ferraro-Frank 1943 Utica
Giglia-William 1946
Inserra-Anthony 1946 Utica
Italiano-Dominic 1990- Capo Canada
Lombardo-Vincent Canada
Luppino-Anthony* Canada
Luppino-John Canada
Luppino-Natale Canada
Luppino-Rocco Canada

Mambrino-Carmen 1969
Marino-Frank 1940 Utica
Minicone-Jack 1948 Utica
Monaco-Bruno Canada
Nappi-Donato Dan 1943-
Papalia-Frank 1930 Canada
Papalia-Rocco 1935 Canada
Perri-Frank Canada
Pugliese-Anthony Canada
Pugliese-Joseph 1990- Capo Canada
Pugliese-Pasquale* Canada

Randazzo-Joseph Sol
Volpe-Albert Canada


Its just a point to start,some names are of members of Luppino and Papalia families that are indipendent so only there are only 19 alleged buffalo mafia members.

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Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976037
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rocco and natale luppino are members of buffalo family

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976205
08/01/19 06:31 AM
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https://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/11/is-buffalo-cosa-nostra-family-mafias.html?m=1

Is Buffalo Cosa Nostra Family the Mafia's Dark Horse?
By Ed Scarpo Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1 Comment
Based on a recent bust involving members of the Gambino and Bonanno crime families in which more than a dozen alleged members and associates of organized crime were arrested as part of a sweeping investigation into the fentanyl trade in Canada and New York, it seems the Buffalo crew is alive and well.

Or was....

The following information was sent from a source.

In indicates that the Buffalo crime family is definitely larger and more organized than many have believed.



Last week's bust no doubt has taken a toll on the crime family. Yet who'd have guessed its heft? And if could be big, who else is thriving in the US, off the radar....?

Boss
Frank BiFulco

Underboss
Joe Violi (Canada Faction)

Consigliere
Victor Sansanese

Capos
Frank Falzone-
Buffalo,
Six soldiers, took over BiFulco crew.

Anthony Todaro
Buffalo,
Eight soldiers, took over when his brother Joe Jr retired.

Natale Luppino
Hamilton, Canada,
Nine soldiers, took over crew when Violi was moved up to Underboss, who in turn had taken over when Vincent Luppino passed away in 2009.

Bruno Monaco
Toronto, Canada
Five soldiers, took over when Dante Gasbarrini passed away. Gasbarrini became Capo when Paul Volpe was killed, and to get away from Giacomo Luppino and John Papalia of Hamilton.

Russell Carcone
Utica
Six soldiers

Loren Piccarreto/Anthony Chirico- Rochester,
Five soldiers.

When Thomas Marotta came back in the 1990's, he decided to join the Bonanno family and took half of the independent family with him to the Bonanno family. After what happened up in Hamiliton with John Papalia, Rene Piccarreto decided to be more friendlier with Buffalo. When Joe "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro retired in 2006, Angelo Amico decided to rejoin the Buffalo Family.

Robert Panaro
Las Vegas
No soldiers, Panaro is direct with the family administration and other capos.

"About 12 to 15 members are retired," our source noted.

So about 40 made members are still active in Buffalo.

In light of all the busts and heat, that's something, you ask me.....

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976227
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so i guess they are here after all

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976228
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here and active

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: m2w] #976231
08/01/19 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by m2w
rocco and natale luppino are members of buffalo family


https://aboutthemafia.com/tag/natale-luppino

Online Source For Mafia News And Information
Montrealers charged in home invasion linked to Hamilton mobster Natale Luppino

May 2, 2019 By TheBoss

Hamilton mobster Natale Luppino is now at the center of a developing case into a violent home invasion that took place back in 2018.

Authorities have now charged four people from Montreal with attempted murder in connection with the attack at a home owned by Luppino. Natale also known as “Nat” is the uncle of Cece Luppino who was gunned down earlier this year at the home of his father Rocco Luppino. Natale and Rocco are believed to be the current leaders of the Luppino crime family one of Hamilton’s Calabrian crime families. The Luppino family and Musitano crime family are seemingly at the heart of the ongoing Hamilton mafia war. There has been plenty of speculation as to the motives behind the renewed violence and this link back to Montreal will most certainly lead to more questions and newly formed theories.

According to police, the incident happened back in April of 2018 when multiple men forced their way into the home. They made contact with two victims one of which was stabbed while the other was able to escape into the neighborhood. The still unidentified stabbing victim was treated at a local hospital and released. The three attackers fled the area in multiple vehicles one of which was being driven by a female getaway driver. It remains unclear as to whether or not Natale “Nat” Luppino was a target of the murder attempt. Police treated the incident as a home invasion and was offered little to no cooperation from those involved. The case went cold but was reopened in December after authorities in Hamilton obtained new information from police in Toronto and Peel according to a recent report from the Hamilton Spectator.

It’s still unclear as to exactly what new information was obtained but it led police to change the case from a home invasion into a murder investigation. It was just a month later in January that Cece Luppino was gunned down. Even though Cece is related to known mobsters he didn’t have a criminal past although his death along with the murder of Angelo Musitano and the recent assassination attempt against Pat Musitano have all been linked to the ongoing mafia war. After traveling to Montreal and obtaining new information Hamilton police arrested Marc Monette and Martine Villeneuve back on April 11.

The case continued to develop and two more suspects Charles Boucher-Savard and Jonathan Monette who were already in custody on unrelated matters were also charged on Wednesday. All the defendants have been charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault, and more. The men are not members of the mafia according to police but they are known in relation to street gang activity in Montreal. The Musitano family has flourished over recent years with the backing of Montreal’s Rizzuto crime family. The Rizzuto’s have fallen from grace after the death of Vito Rizzuto and their own bloody mob war leaving themselves and their allies vulnerable. But the Rizzuto’s have been known to contract local street and biker gangs to carry out various activities including these kinds of hits.

The question that will most certainly arise now is was this attack which went mostly unnoticed when it happened ordered by what remains of the Rizzuto’s in retaliation for the moves being made against the Musitano’s. Could this be a sign that at least a remaining faction of the mafia in Montreal still has a hand in what’s going on in Hamilton? Could new Rizzuto boss Stefano Sollecito be strong enough to make a move against the factions at war with their old Hamilton allies? Or maybe it’s simply a case of a Hamilton mafia family farming out some heavy lifting to some out of towners in an effort to stay anonymous?

What’s happened in Montreal has affected the organized crime landscape across the entire region including Hamilton and this could be one of the first direct links between the two conflicts.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976235
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
https://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/11/is-buffalo-cosa-nostra-family-mafias.html?m=1

Is Buffalo Cosa Nostra Family the Mafia's Dark Horse?
By Ed Scarpo Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1 Comment
Based on a recent bust involving members of the Gambino and Bonanno crime families in which more than a dozen alleged members and associates of organized crime were arrested as part of a sweeping investigation into the fentanyl trade in Canada and New York, it seems the Buffalo crew is alive and well.

Or was....

The following information was sent from a source.

In indicates that the Buffalo crime family is definitely larger and more organized than many have believed.



Last week's bust no doubt has taken a toll on the crime family. Yet who'd have guessed its heft? And if could be big, who else is thriving in the US, off the radar....?

Boss
Frank BiFulco

Underboss
Joe Violi (Canada Faction)

Consigliere
Victor Sansanese

Capos
Frank Falzone-
Buffalo,
Six soldiers, took over BiFulco crew.

Anthony Todaro
Buffalo,
Eight soldiers, took over when his brother Joe Jr retired.

Natale Luppino
Hamilton, Canada,
Nine soldiers, took over crew when Violi was moved up to Underboss, who in turn had taken over when Vincent Luppino passed away in 2009.

Bruno Monaco
Toronto, Canada
Five soldiers, took over when Dante Gasbarrini passed away. Gasbarrini became Capo when Paul Volpe was killed, and to get away from Giacomo Luppino and John Papalia of Hamilton.

Russell Carcone
Utica
Six soldiers

Loren Piccarreto/Anthony Chirico- Rochester,
Five soldiers.

When Thomas Marotta came back in the 1990's, he decided to join the Bonanno family and took half of the independent family with him to the Bonanno family. After what happened up in Hamiliton with John Papalia, Rene Piccarreto decided to be more friendlier with Buffalo. When Joe "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro retired in 2006, Angelo Amico decided to rejoin the Buffalo Family.

Robert Panaro
Las Vegas
No soldiers, Panaro is direct with the family administration and other capos.

"About 12 to 15 members are retired," our source noted.

So about 40 made members are still active in Buffalo.

In light of all the busts and heat, that's something, you ask me.....



If Buffalo is that well structured right now, and has about 40 MADE guys, then they would be right under NYC/Chi on the pecking order. And you could make an argument of putting them ahead of Philly right now. Cause they'd have the one up as far as international reach over Philly.


" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "

Jerry Tillinghast
Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #976291
08/02/19 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
https://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/11/is-buffalo-cosa-nostra-family-mafias.html?m=1

Is Buffalo Cosa Nostra Family the Mafia's Dark Horse?
By Ed Scarpo Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1 Comment
Based on a recent bust involving members of the Gambino and Bonanno crime families in which more than a dozen alleged members and associates of organized crime were arrested as part of a sweeping investigation into the fentanyl trade in Canada and New York, it seems the Buffalo crew is alive and well.

Or was....

The following information was sent from a source.

In indicates that the Buffalo crime family is definitely larger and more organized than many have believed.



Last week's bust no doubt has taken a toll on the crime family. Yet who'd have guessed its heft? And if could be big, who else is thriving in the US, off the radar....?

Boss
Frank BiFulco

Underboss
Joe Violi (Canada Faction)

Consigliere
Victor Sansanese

Capos
Frank Falzone-
Buffalo,
Six soldiers, took over BiFulco crew.

Anthony Todaro
Buffalo,
Eight soldiers, took over when his brother Joe Jr retired.

Natale Luppino
Hamilton, Canada,
Nine soldiers, took over crew when Violi was moved up to Underboss, who in turn had taken over when Vincent Luppino passed away in 2009.

Bruno Monaco
Toronto, Canada
Five soldiers, took over when Dante Gasbarrini passed away. Gasbarrini became Capo when Paul Volpe was killed, and to get away from Giacomo Luppino and John Papalia of Hamilton.

Russell Carcone
Utica
Six soldiers

Loren Piccarreto/Anthony Chirico- Rochester,
Five soldiers.

When Thomas Marotta came back in the 1990's, he decided to join the Bonanno family and took half of the independent family with him to the Bonanno family. After what happened up in Hamiliton with John Papalia, Rene Piccarreto decided to be more friendlier with Buffalo. When Joe "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro retired in 2006, Angelo Amico decided to rejoin the Buffalo Family.

Robert Panaro
Las Vegas
No soldiers, Panaro is direct with the family administration and other capos.

"About 12 to 15 members are retired," our source noted.

So about 40 made members are still active in Buffalo.

In light of all the busts and heat, that's something, you ask me.....



If Buffalo is that well structured right now, and has about 40 MADE guys, then they would be right under NYC/Chi on the pecking order. And you could make an argument of putting them ahead of Philly right now. Cause they'd have the one up as far as international reach over Philly.



I think that the family had more or less 30 made men as Violi said in wiretape.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976752
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Joe Tadaro jr the most elusive boss of all time

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976774
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Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976776
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If they are in fact the dark horse of LCN, and are this structured in 2019, would you put them ahead of Philly on that second tier of families?


" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "

Jerry Tillinghast
Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976808
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If I remember correctly, back in a 2018 Mob Talk video, Anastasia mentioned Philly having between 40 to 45 guys on the streets. Now I’m assuming he meant made guys. So if the 40-members estimate for Buffalo is correct then it’ll put W. NY below Philly, manpower-wise, even by a little.

That said, size isn’t always a fair indication of a group’s wealth and influence. Being an international crime family with half (?) of its members and operations on Canadian soil, Buffalo could be bringing in a lot of cash.

Philly is under the Genovese, while Buffalo is reportedly under the Bonanno...so that’s also a factor to consider.

Philly is a family we know a lot about, they get a ton of coverage and there are plenty of knowledgeable posters who share their info over here on a weekly basis.

Buffalo, on the other hand, is still a mystery to most. It’s unclear how/if they’re structured so it’s really hard to make assumptions.

Most people on this blog didn’t even believe they were still around until a year or so ago, and perhaps some still sorta don’t since the FBI has been mute about them.

With the frenzy going on in Ontario and Quebec it’s a matter of time until something more in-depth will come up.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976869
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if they are under the bonanno's
so how many guys do the bonanno's have ? 150-160 ?

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: MeyerLansky] #976872
08/11/19 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
if they are under the bonanno's
so how many guys do the bonanno's have ? 150-160 ?


http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/p/current-leadership-of-five-families.html?m=1

Between 110 and 120.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976887
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Bonanno about 120 to 130. I dont believe Buffalo is under the Bonanno family, as Buffalo also has maintained strong connections to the Colombo and Genovese crime families. It is a tactic many families outside New York and Chicago take, stay in touch with which ever family represented you on the commission, as well as another family on the commission, and other families that they do business with or close to there geographical location. This way if a topic comes up, the family knowns they would have at least two votes in their favor or able to bring an issue to the top families that they want to resolve but their representative family has its hands full on different matters. This also helps for a family to get recruits if they need them.


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976906
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Bonanno about 120 to 130. I dont believe Buffalo is under the Bonanno family, as Buffalo also has maintained strong connections to the Colombo and Genovese crime families. It is a tactic many families outside New York and Chicago take, stay in touch with which ever family represented you on the commission, as well as another family on the commission, and other families that they do business with or close to there geographical location. This way if a topic comes up, the family knowns they would have at least two votes in their favor or able to bring an issue to the top families that they want to resolve but their representative family has its hands full on different matters. This also helps for a family to get recruits if they need them.


If I remember well the bonannos put their flag on rochester and made tommy marotta or another associate of the defunct family. This for a place near the us canada border.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976942
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I seriously wonder what’s in Utica that makes a “crew” worthwhile...other than being close to Syracuse.

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: LuanKuci] #976955
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
If I remember correctly, back in a 2018 Mob Talk video, Anastasia mentioned Philly having between 40 to 45 guys on the streets. Now I’m assuming he meant made guys. So if the 40-members estimate for Buffalo is correct then it’ll put W. NY below Philly, manpower-wise, even by a little.

That said, size isn’t always a fair indication of a group’s wealth and influence. Being an international crime family with half (?) of its members and operations on Canadian soil, Buffalo could be bringing in a lot of cash.

Philly is under the Genovese, while Buffalo is reportedly under the Bonanno...so that’s also a factor to consider.

Philly is a family we know a lot about, they get a ton of coverage and there are plenty of knowledgeable posters who share their info over here on a weekly basis.

Buffalo, on the other hand, is still a mystery to most. It’s unclear how/if they’re structured so it’s really hard to make assumptions.

Most people on this blog didn’t even believe they were still around until a year or so ago, and perhaps some still sorta don’t since the FBI has been mute about them.

With the frenzy going on in Ontario and Quebec it’s a matter of time until something more in-depth will come up.


For argument sake If Buffalo and Philly had the same amount of members/structure, would the international reach of Buffalo be enough to notch them above Philly? I know Philly gets a ton of coverage, but if Buffalo had as much coverage and with the Canadian element, it could put them a step up.


" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "

Jerry Tillinghast
Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #976956
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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
For argument sake If Buffalo and Philly had the same amount of members/structure, would the international reach of Buffalo be enough to notch them above Philly? I know Philly gets a ton of coverage, but if Buffalo had as much coverage and with the Canadian element, it could put them a step up.


If (and this is a HUGE IF) Buffalo actually has a similar amount of members and structure, then yes. Their ties into Canada and international drug trafficking would put them ahead of Philadelphia.

However, for arguments sake ... do you really think that a family that law enforcement has believed to be dead for 10+ years really has 35-40 secret made members and has been able to stay off the radar all of this time? Or, would it make more sense that Violi was possibly bullshitting on the phone and propping himself up to sound bigger than he really was? I'd personally go with that instead of him actually being the underboss. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying there aren't remnants in Buffalo operating the traditional rackets ... I believe there is. I just don't believe they are a formally structured family with 35-40 secretive members.

Until more solid proof or evidence comes out regarding Buffalo, you really can't compare them to Philadelphia at this point. It is a fact that Philly is a recognized LCN family with 35 or more known made members out on the streets, with even more in prison. They may not be as active as the Scarfo era and we may not know the administration or who holds what title, but they are there. The FBI continues to try and bring racketeering indictments against them year after year.

Buffalo? Not so much. The FBI has all but declared them extinct, and while I don't totally agree with that term, I'm more willing to accept what comes from law enforcement in the last decade over internet speculation. There has been nothing to come out that proves they are an active and structured family other than the wiretap of Violi claiming to be named underboss. I could declare myself underboss of an extinct family like San Jose and who would be around to dispute it?

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #976958
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The cyclops, Pizza Jack, and Dan would dispute that K1NG6. That family has been disbanded since 1995, still some members left. Salvatore Marino called for a vote to reestablish the family once he was released from prison, but was voted down in 1999. Many members did not like what was happening in New York City at the time, did not like two of the sitting bosses at the time nor did they trust two other bosses at the time.


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Originally Posted by K1NG6

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Until more solid proof or evidence comes out regarding Buffalo....
.......The FBI has all but declared them extinct, and while I don't totally agree with that term, I'm more willing to accept what comes from law enforcement in the last decade over internet speculation. There has been nothing to come out that proves they are an active and structured family other than the wiretap of Violi claiming to be named underboss. I could declare myself underboss of an extinct family like San Jose and who would be around to dispute it?


Can you tell me why they FBI should have knowledge about a thing that they don't believe it exists?
I give you a short historical example. Hoover gainsaid that a national wide group don't exist. From 30's to 1957 they can work mostly in the shadows. After Appalachian Meeting the FBI start to change his minds. But in 1980's 90's the go back to his old thinking. So why should FBI know something about a local mob development?
We saw huge social changes in Buffalo and other city’s. Union's lost a lot power. So maybe typical labour racketeering isn't a key activity for a Buffalo Mob. Like the Ndrangheta today don't work at the kidnapping business.

We should start to ask people from Buffalo and other places. Not the FBI.

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For argument sake If Buffalo and Philly had the same amount of members/structure, would the international reach of Buffalo be enough to notch them above Philly? I know Philly gets a ton of coverage, but if Buffalo had as much coverage and with the Canadian element, it could put them a step up.


If (and this is a HUGE IF) Buffalo actually has a similar amount of members and structure, then yes. Their ties into Canada and international drug trafficking would put them ahead of Philadelphia.

However, for arguments sake ... do you really think that a family that law enforcement has believed to be dead for 10+ years really has 35-40 secret made members and has been able to stay off the radar all of this time? Or, would it make more sense that Violi was possibly bullshitting on the phone and propping himself up to sound bigger than he really was? I'd personally go with that instead of him actually being the underboss. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying there aren't remnants in Buffalo operating the traditional rackets ... I believe there is. I just don't believe they are a formally structured family with 35-40 secretive members.

Until more solid proof or evidence comes out regarding Buffalo, you really can't compare them to Philadelphia at this point. It is a fact that Philly is a recognized LCN family with 35 or more known made members out on the streets, with even more in prison. They may not be as active as the Scarfo era and we may not know the administration or who holds what title, but they are there. The FBI continues to try and bring racketeering indictments against them year after year.

Buffalo? Not so much. The FBI has all but declared them extinct, and while I don't totally agree with that term, I'm more willing to accept what comes from law enforcement in the last decade over internet speculation. There has been nothing to come out that proves they are an active and structured family other than the wiretap of Violi claiming to be named underboss. I could declare myself underboss of an extinct family like San Jose and who would be around to dispute it?



I agree, its def hard to compare them to Philly based on Philly being recognized in 2019 as an active family. Could it be Buffalo is still an operation hub mixed in with money coming in from Canada? Possibly. So the FBI or local law enforcement could be downplaying them as labeling extinct. IMO I feel that whenever law enforcement addresses LCN now a days its always the usual bs of " theres not much left " or " its not what it use to be ". Then theres a 50 person bust a week later lol.


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Agreeable points.

Still, if the feds were to admit that they didn’t in fact manage to get rid of the LCN in Buffalo they’ll look like a bunch of lying pr*cks.

They’ve literally boosted their image thanks to that achievement.

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I for one believe the family is strong and probably has between 20 to 35 made members (I also believe they've never been extinct). They were slowed and knocked down, but not extinct. While authorities focused on NY/Boston and Chicago, Philly, Detroit and Buffalo learned lessons about what not to do and what a secret society was and should be doing which allowed them to regroup and be productive criminal organizations. Ligambi went old school under the radar and no reason Buffalo and Detroit didn't do the same. There's money to be made, the mob knows how to make it. Just my opinion.

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If I remember well the bonannos put their flag on rochester and made tommy marotta or another associate of the defunct family. This for a place near the us canada border.


Correct. Tommy Marotta aligned himself with the Bonannos after he got out of prison in 1996. He actually tried to revive the Rochester family, but was pinched in the early 2000s when he started getting into drug trafficking. A Cleveland associate who Marotta befriended in prison named Anthony Delmonti wore a wire and started working as an informant around this time. He went to Rochester on FBI orders to tail Marotta as the Feds suspected he'd attempt a revival. There was debate of whether government interference was borderline entrapment and they used an informant to coax Marotta back into a life of crime. Who knows what his true intentions would've been if left alone, but the fact remains one of the wiretaps from this investigation picked up an initiation ceremony that involved Marotta declaring himself boss and making Delmonti into Rochester. Marotta went away again in 2003 for moving cocaine Upstate. He is back on the streets now though. Some say he's active again. Can't say for sure.

On the topic of the Bonannos, they've always had interests in Rochester. The city was always Buffalo territory, but influence on the streets was mixed. Magaddino, LaRocca and Joe Bonanno each had a certain amount of pull during the '60s. Rene Picarreto was once named as a Bonanno soldier on a government chart and I recall reading transcripts that Bonanno went to bat for Rochester to the commission when the Buffalo war was going on, which resulted in Rochester splitting into an independent family.

Just one personal anecdote on Buffalo; I know someone who used to work for La Nova Pizzeria as a delivery driver. This person says they would be handed envelopes stuffed with cash and told to deliver them to whoever Joe asked them to, not necessarily customers. The recipients were always older Italian men. This person speculated it was gambling money. Keep in mind this was within the last 5 years so the Todaros definitely still have operations on the streets.

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Originally Posted by Nitro
Can you tell me why they FBI should have knowledge about a thing that they don't believe it exists? I give you a short historical example. Hoover gainsaid that a national wide group don't exist. From 30's to 1957 they can work mostly in the shadows. After Appalachian Meeting the FBI start to change his minds.


To start off, I said in my first post that I believe there is still activity in Buffalo and that the bread and butter traditional LCN rackets are still being operated. I just don't believe they are a formally structured family with all of these unknown members that have been able to completely stay off of the radar from ALL of law enforcement. Maybe I will be proven wrong about Violi when more information comes out in the future, I just don't believe him when he claims Todaro made him the underboss. That's my personal opinion, it doesn't mean that either one of us is right or wrong. To your question, why should the FBI (or local law enforcement) have that information? Simply put, they have organized crime squads for that very reason. How do they know what they know about New York, or Philadelphia, or New England? Because they have agents assigned to investigate organized crime activity - it is their job to find out what is going on so they can bring cases and get convictions. If Buffalo was still a functioning LCN family with a hierarchy and 35-40 made guys out on the streets do you really think the FBI and local PD in Buffalo would just ignore it and claim that it has gone extinct? No, they would want the accolades of taking it down, just like LuanKuci said.

And Hoover was stubborn when it came to investigating the mob. They were able to work in the shadows because Hoover allowed them to by denying it's existence even though he knew it was there. He wanted to go after the Communists instead and he only wanted to focus on crimes that were easily solvable, such as auto theft and bank robberies. He wanted high conviction rates with easy cases. He knew mob investigations were too time consuming, too drawn out, and did not always end with an easy conviction like he liked. He was also worried about his agents being bribed and corrupted by gangsters. There was a great write up about this by Selwyn Raab in his book Five Families.


Originally Posted by majicrat
Ligambi went old school under the radar and no reason Buffalo and Detroit didn't do the same. There's money to be made, the mob knows how to make it. Just my opinion.


Not saying you are wrong because we all are entitled to our own opinions, and I agree with you on Ligambi. He restructured and rebuilt the family and did it low key, under the radar like the Bruno regime. My counter to that would be that the Philly PD and the FBI knew that Ligambi became the boss shortly after Merlino went away to prison and they still continued to investigate them. I don't think anyone in law enforcement declared the family dead or ignored them - it just took them until 2011 to actually bring an indictment against Ligambi. If Buffalo was functioning why would the FBI or Buffalo PD stop investigating them or declare them extinct just because Todaro went under the radar? Like I said, I'm sure there are guys on the streets making money with book making, gambling, loan sharking, and drugs and it's definitely possibly that Todaro is still active and involved with all of that. I just don't see them being a fully functioning LCN family with a hierarchy and all of these active made guys on the streets and somehow not be a priority for Buffalo PD or the FBI.

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I do share K1NG6’s obvious skepticism but one thing I can’t seem to believe (even by today’s standards of underworld oddities) is Violi lying about being upped by JT.

It reads as such a risky move. Sure, he could have said it as a way to protect himself by letting people on the streets know that whoever messes with him will have to face the consequences of pissing off a higher up.

But in order for such threat to be effective, there is the need for Buffalo LCN to be an active and somehow still imposing entity.

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Originally Posted by K1NG6


"To start off, I said in my first post that I believe there is still activity in Buffalo and that the bread and butter traditional LCN rackets are still being operated. I just don't believe they are a formally structured family with all of these unknown members that have been able to completely stay off of the radar from ALL of law enforcement. "


I know my post wasn't against you. But i think FBI argument is weaker than it looks in the first moment.

Originally Posted by K1NG6

And Hoover was stubborn when it came to investigating the mob. They were able to work in the shadows because Hoover allowed them to by denying it's existence even though he knew it was there. He wanted to go after the Communists instead and he only wanted to focus on crimes that were easily solvable, such as auto theft and bank robberies. He wanted high conviction rates with easy cases. He knew mob investigations were too time consuming, too drawn out, and did not always end with an easy conviction like he liked. He was also worried about his agents being bribed and corrupted by gangsters. There was a great write up about this by Selwyn Raab in his book Five Families.


Communists = Islamists and crimes easily solvable = gangs. Something will never change...


Originally Posted by K1NG6

I just don't see them being a fully functioning LCN family with a hierarchy and all of these active made guys on the streets and somehow not be a priority for Buffalo PD or the FBI.


"Fully functioning LCN family" is a definition thing. Bufallo PD have alot to do with gangs and the FBI Bufallo is specializing in terrorism. FBI Bufallo weakens his main divison if the start to talk about OC.

So my case is the law enforcment argument is weaker as we think in the first moment.

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Originally Posted by K1NG6

I just don't see them being a fully functioning LCN family with a hierarchy and all of these active made guys on the streets and somehow not be a priority for Buffalo PD or the FBI.


"Fully functioning LCN family" is a definition thing. Bufallo PD have alot to do with gangs and the FBI Bufallo is specializing in terrorism. FBI Bufallo weakens his main divison if the start to talk about OC.

So my case is the law enforcment argument is weaker as we think in the first moment.[/quote]

Absolutely a definition thing. Thats why I think that when todays law enforcement mentions anything to do with LCN they down play it. Either cause they don't know or they don't want to give the slightest hint that quite a few families in the country have laid low and have been able to rebuild over the last few years.



Originally Posted by majicrat
Ligambi went old school under the radar and no reason Buffalo and Detroit didn't do the same. There's money to be made, the mob knows how to make it. Just my opinion.



Great point. IMO I believe that the Canada has injected Buffalo with a lot of the old school ways again. Esp if there are made members living in Canada. With the influence of the Ndrangheta and the other groups up there who've traditionally answered and followed the Italian ways, maybe these groups don't impact them directly when it comes to business, rackets, etc. But I think like any business, you look at your competition and your finding what works for them and their success. They could be doing the same as Philly, staying low key, benefiting from limited media coverage/exposure, and rebuilding slowly. I think that Buffalo is a combination of the central hub for the family mixed with the Canadian element that is helping them gain ground again.

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Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #977099
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Buffalo at its height depending on the source had approx. 300 made members and control over most of Canada.

So when the FBI says they are "ALL BUT DEAD"
It could have meant that compared to the size the family used to be, and the power and influence they had they have, "NOTHING" compared to that today.

That does NOT mean they meant Buffalo had "ZERO" members left.

If the day comes that he GAMBINO"S have only 20 guys left in the family
Could the FBI come out and say the GAMBINO's are DEAD??

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buffalo had 100 made members at most at its peak

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As I stated it depends on the source.
The 300 member quote was from the book "DICARLO" Buffalo's first family of crime, by Thomas Hunt.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Buffalo at its height depending on the source had approx. 300 made members and control over most of Canada.

So when the FBI says they are "ALL BUT DEAD"
It could have meant that compared to the size the family used to be, and the power and influence they had they have, "NOTHING" compared to that today.

That does NOT mean they meant Buffalo had "ZERO" members left.

If the day comes that he GAMBINO"S have only 20 guys left in the family
Could the FBI come out and say the GAMBINO's are DEAD??




Most likely. 20 members means 10% of their current membership left which is nothing more than a remnant of a family. I don't think DiCarlo in his book states Buffalo had 300 members. I believe he states more than 100, which is what Magaddino himself said that was overheard on a wiretap.


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Originally Posted by Sonny_Black
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Buffalo at its height depending on the source had approx. 300 made members and control over most of Canada.

So when the FBI says they are "ALL BUT DEAD"
It could have meant that compared to the size the family used to be, and the power and influence they had they have, "NOTHING" compared to that today.

That does NOT mean they meant Buffalo had "ZERO" members left.

If the day comes that he GAMBINO"S have only 20 guys left in the family
Could the FBI come out and say the GAMBINO's are DEAD??




Most likely. 20 members means 10% of their current membership left which is nothing more than a remnant of a family. I don't think DiCarlo in his book states Buffalo had 300 members. I believe he states more than 100, which is what Magaddino himself said that was overheard on a wiretap.


100 made men plus in 1969 there was a rebellion in the family 'cause the Magaddino greed (the old man was saying to the capos that there are no enought money and was seized 1 milion in cash in his son Peter home) and the Valenti that split from buffalo. So there was only 50-60 made men at Magaddino death.

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Originally Posted by Nitro
"Fully functioning LCN family" is a definition thing. Bufallo PD have alot to do with gangs and the FBI Bufallo is specializing in terrorism. FBI Bufallo weakens his main divison if the start to talk about OC.
So my case is the law enforcment argument is weaker as we think in the first moment.


So tell me, are there no gangs in New York City? Is there no threat of terrorism in NYC, either? It seems as if your argument is that law enforcement in Buffalo is more worried about gangs and terrorism so that is why they leave the mafia alone. However, there is a significant amount of gangs and drug activity in New York which is being investigated by the NYPD and the FBI and for some reason they still have the time and resources to investigate and bring cases against the mafia. As evidenced by 9/11 and other events afterward, I'm sure that New York remains a hotbed for terrorist activity which is why the FBI and NYPD made terrorism their MAIN priority after 9/11 ... did they stop going after the mob? No. They significantly reduced the manpower of their organized crime squads so they could focus on terrorism, but they didn't simply give up on investigating LCN activity.

Why? Because the five families, even though not as powerful as they once were, are still viewed as a threat. The same goes for law enforcement in New Jersey, Philadelphia, Boston, Providence and elsewhere that the families remain viable. If there were 35-40 made guys in Buffalo believe me law enforcement would dedicate resources to fight it whether or not terrorism or gangs remained their main priority. You've basically proven my point for me - the gangs in Buffalo are more prominent than what's left of the mob and that's why law enforcement places a higher priority towards them.


Originally Posted by LuanKuci
I do share K1NG6’s obvious skepticism but one thing I can’t seem to believe (even by today’s standards of underworld oddities) is Violi lying about being upped by JT.

It reads as such a risky move. Sure, he could have said it as a way to protect himself by letting people on the streets know that whoever messes with him will have to face the consequences of pissing off a higher up.

But in order for such threat to be effective, there is the need for Buffalo LCN to be an active and somehow still imposing entity.


Even though I'm not sure what to believe with Violi, I do agree with you 100% on that assessment. It's extremely risky. His whole claim of Todaro supposedly naming him the underboss just seemed fishy to me. For all of this time people claimed that Todaro was retired and making millions from his pizza joint, which I'm not disputing. If you have a legitimate business raking in cash like that at his age why would you want anything to do with a declining mob family that is going to do nothing for you but put you behind bars for the rest of your life? I don't claim to know a lot about Buffalo LCN but I remember that there were several names thrown around as being the boss when this topic was brought up before, I just don't remember them from the top of my head. All of a sudden a wiretap comes up with Violi claiming that Todaro named him the underboss and now Todaro is the godfather again and Buffalo is resurrected with 35-40 made guys on the streets. I could be wrong, the pieces just don't add up correctly to me.

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35-40 seems like alot

I look at it this way

Up until very recently before the first body dropped in Hamilton

Basically the opinion of Hamilton was there was very little more than likely NOTHING going on
And the groups over there were dead by the way of the Buffalo, dead since Papallia and Borello were killed in the 90's

That those groups were so weak that they could not have hit back in the 90's

Now that assessment seems a little off.

These guys are dropping these bodies and burying their sons and brothers has to be for some decent rackets...

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
35-40 seems like alot

And the groups over there were dead by the way of the Buffalo, dead since Papallia and Borello were killed in the 90's

That those groups were so weak that they could not have hit back in the 90's



Carmen Barillaro was killed and all other guys go home and search for a 8/5 job ? OC is about Money not about revenge. The most OC Hits are inside job not war between groups. A change in LCN structure are very probably. I do not believe they have the same structure as last in century. But a kill with 3 arrested guys does not make a whole group disappear.

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Originally Posted by K1NG6


So tell me, are there no gangs in New York City? Is there no threat of terrorism in NYC, either? It seems as if your argument is that law enforcement in Buffalo is more worried about gangs and terrorism so that is why they leave the mafia alone. However, there is a significant amount of gangs and drug activity in New York which is being investigated by the NYPD and the FBI and for some reason they still have the time and resources to investigate and bring cases against the mafia. As evidenced by 9/11 and other events afterward, I'm sure that New York remains a hotbed for terrorist activity which is why the FBI and NYPD made terrorism their MAIN priority after 9/11 ... did they stop going after the mob? No. They significantly reduced the manpower of their organized crime squads so they could focus on terrorism, but they didn't simply give up on investigating LCN activity.

Why? Because the five families, even though not as powerful as they once were, are still viewed as a threat. The same goes for law enforcement in New Jersey, Philadelphia, Boston, Providence and elsewhere that the families remain viable. If there were 35-40 made guys in Buffalo believe me law enforcement would dedicate resources to fight it whether or not terrorism or gangs remained their main priority. You've basically proven my point for me - the gangs in Buffalo are more prominent than what's left of the mob and that's why law enforcement places a higher priority towards them.



Please don't compare Buffalo and NYC.

BPD - 131 million Budget with 700 officers. 1 police man -> 371c
Erie County Sheriff's Office - POLICE SERVICES DIVISION - 26m
Erie County - DISTRICT ATTORNEY 15m
FBI Buffalo Field Office - No Data

NYPD - 5.6 billion with 36,000 officers. 1 police man -> 233 civilian

Now the Crime Side
crime rate (100000) murder/slaughter
Buffalo 1019.25 15.61
NYC 538.90 3.39

Of course gangs are "more prominent" they kill each other at daylight. But this had nothing to do with the questions. Exist in Buffalo LCN/Italian OC activity ? anf Which is the best way to find out ?

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Originally Posted by Nitro
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
35-40 seems like alot

And the groups over there were dead by the way of the Buffalo, dead since Papallia and Borello were killed in the 90's

That those groups were so weak that they could not have hit back in the 90's



Carmen Barillaro was killed and all other guys go home and search for a 8/5 job ? OC is about Money not about revenge. The most OC Hits are inside job not war between groups. A change in LCN structure are very probably. I do not believe they have the same structure as last in century. But a kill with 3 arrested guys does not make a whole group disappear.





January 6, 1997 - Herbert "Fat Herbie" Blitzstein
May 31, 1997, Frank Papalia 
July 23, 1997 Carmen Barillaro

I agree with Nitro.In 1997 they was enought organizated to kill Blitzstein and try to take over his racket with the LA family made men and after the killers was arrested and Papalia and Barillaro dies,the organization disappear?
Come on for sure doesnt had a classic LCN hierarchy but for sure arent dead and taken revenge on Musitanos.

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It seems they were pretty active in recent years.



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No these guys are not doing nothing they are all gone.

Same in Detroit and western PA and more .


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^ can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
^ can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.


Yes I was being sarcastic “ people think that there is nothing going on in these old strong holds . Now I am not talking 1969 but they are still there.


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The US Attorney mentioned public corruption investigation yesterday at the press conference about the DEA agent.


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BURA, it's a who's who of who the feds are looking for. If they are planning of coming down hard on a bunch of different groups, then it is definitely part of a larger investigation.


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Prosecutors try to disqualify noted defense lawyer in mob case

https://buffalonews.com/2019/12/09/feds-try-to-disqualify-noted-defense-lawyer-in-mob-case/

“When former federal agent Joseph Bongiovanni found himself facing criminal charges, he turned to one of Buffalo's premier defense lawyers: Paul J. Cambria Jr.
Now, the government wants Cambria off the case...”

“...At the root of Bongiovanni's prosecution is the allegation that the former Drug Enforcement Administration agent took $250,000 in bribes from drug dealers who he believed had ties to the local Mafia...”

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Interesting case to follow...the hunt for lcn


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Federal agents raid Cheektowaga gentlemen's club as part fo investigation into former DEA agains accused of taking bribes from friends in Buffalo Mafia: https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-new...t-of-investigation-into-former-dea-agent

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From The Buffalo News
Federal agents raid Cheektowaga strip club

"Paul J. Cambria Jr., Bongiovanni's defense lawyer, said the raid is part of the government's efforts at linking Peter Gerace, owner of the strip club, to the conspiracy outlined in the charges against his client.

Cambria denied the existence of a conspiracy and noted that the government is also trying to remove him from the case, claiming he has a conflict of interest."

https://buffalonews.com/2019/12/12/federal-agents-raid-cheektowaga-strip-club/

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Pharaoh's strip club raid fuels reports of mafia links
The Buffalo News
Dec. 15
By Phil Fairbanks

“If you buy the argument that former DEA agent Joseph Bongiovanni is tied to the Buffalo mafia, it might be because of his boyhood relationship with Peter Gerace.

Gerace is the operator of Pharaoh's, the Cheektowaga strip club raided by federal agents Thursday, and the nephew of Joseph Todaro Jr.”

https://buffalonews.com/2019/12/15/pharaohs-strip-club-raid-fuels-reports-of-mafia-links/

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Peter Gerace is a brother in law of Todaro Jr not nephew he is married to Todaro sister.

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Originally Posted by Scalish
Peter Gerace is a brother in law of Todaro Jr not nephew he is married to Todaro sister.


Yes Peter Gerace Sr. is Joe Todaro’s Jr’s brother-in-law and owns the strip club, at least a few years back when they were investigated for I-9 violations ... etc. I believe this article is speaking of Peter Gerace Jr. who operates the club for his Dad. The article also mentions Gerace Jr.’s brother Anthony who was indicted on narcotics and weapons charges in May. If I remember correctly the found evidence of sports sports betting material when they raided his home in Clarence Center in January.

Here is the link to Anthony’s indictment:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/clarence-center-man-indicted-multiple-drug-and-gun-charges

Link to WGRZ story: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wg.../71-5187b6d8-9039-44e8-9ace-42da88d61a43

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I-Team: Is strip club raid a sign of Buffalo Mafia resurgence?
Crimes north of Canadian border alleged
WKBW Buffalo
Dec. 17
by Charlie Specht

"Last month, federal prosecutors indicted former DEA agent Joseph Bongiovanni for allegedly accepting bribes from criminals with ties to what they called “Italian organized crime.”

Last week, the feds followed up with a raid at Pharaoh’s Gentleman’s Club in Cheektowaga. The strip club is operated by Peter Gerace, who is related to the Todaro family that the FBI accused decades ago of running the Buffalo mob (the Todaros denied the charges).

But documents obtained by the 7 Eyewitness News I-Team show these recent developments are part of a wider federal investigation into the possible re-emergence of organized crime in Buffalo."

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"“You've got a reemergence because there's so much profit to be made north of the Border,” Manning said.

Manning has direct knowledge of mafia efforts to infiltrate law enforcement. As a police officer, he went undercover in the mob, an experience that nearly cost him his life . He said he was betrayed by crooked Hamilton officers and nearly killed by a mob hit. He is now suing the Hamilton government.

The allegations against Bongiovanni, the former DEA agent, follow the same pattern, and the I-Team has learned that Bongiovanni is not the only police officer suspected of breaking the law.

“It also confirms that we do have a problem with law enforcement working for the other side,” Manning said."

Link to the article

https://www.wkbw.com/news/i-team/i-team-is-strip-club-raid-a-sign-of-buffalo-mafia-resurgence

Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #982986
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Not just north of the border. There are markets and in some cases a vacuum in the Buffalo area and surrounding counties for complete control. Plus gambling and loan sharking has been the mafia's bread and butter for a long time, keep watching the states and online betting, but they are smart and do that legally.


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A high school teacher in Buffalo Public Schools arrested last year may be a member of the mob according to new Buffalo News article on DEA agent Bongiovanni and Masecchia: https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/22/feds-tie-former-dea-agent-to-drug-dealer-and-mob/

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A new grand jury indictment against the former agent also names Michael Masecchia, a former Buffalo school teacher described in court papers as a longtime drug dealer and member or associate of "Italian Organized Crime...

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..."Masecchia is an associate and possible made member of the Buffalo LCN family," the email said, according to court papers. LCN was a reference to La Cosa Nostra.

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More on Peter and Anthony Gerace from Phil Fairbanks' article in the Buffalo News: During a pandemic, even strip clubs raided by federal agents want a helping hand.
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In answering the civil suit filed by Pharoah’s, federal prosecutors point to the raid and the search warrant detailing potential crimes, from money laundering to a drug conspiracy.

In court papers, Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael S. Cerrone also makes mention of Anthony Gerace, a manager at the club, and his federal indictment on gun and drug charges.


Here is the link: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/duri ... 2340a.html

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Lee Coppola sticks to his guns

Another Voice: Law enforcement needs to stop referring to the 'Mafia'

https://buffalonews.com/opinion/ano...s-to-stop-referring-to-the-mafia/article

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Cross posting from Angelo Musitano Hit in Hamilton Thread:

Nicaso says some interesting things about the conflict in Canada and how it may relate to groups in Hamilton and Southern Ontario rebuilding their ties to the Buffalo mob.

Here is a link to the interview: https://www.facebook.com/cbchamilton/videos/1036507083459691

Thanks to Antimafia for bringing this interview to our attention in the Angelo thread.

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Todaro’s nephew Anthony Greece pleads guilty to gun possession in furtherance of drug trafficking.

Press Release: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/p...arms-furtherance-drug-trafficking-crimes

Scott Bernstein article: https://gangsterreport.com/an-uncle...-nephew-pleads-out-in-drug-firearm-case/

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If we consider Buffalo LCN is still alive. We can definitive say they get some hard hits in recent years.

2018 ?Massimigliano Carfagna? get 10 years
2018 Domenico and Giuseppe "Joe" Violi gets 8 years.
2019 Raid in Pete Gerace, Jr. Strip Club
2019 Bongiovanni, get busted
2019 Michael Masecchia arrested
2020 - Anthony Gerace,guilty
2020 - Bifulco died

----------------Maybe connected maybe not---------
2018 Louis Ciminelli Jr.,get 2 years.


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Originally Posted by Nitro
If we consider Buffalo LCN is still alive. We can definitive say they get some hard hits in recent years.

2018 ?Massimigliano Carfagna? get 10 years
2018 Domenico and Giuseppe "Joe" Violi gets 8 years.
2019 Raid in Pete Gerace, Jr. Strip Club
2019 Bongiovanni, get busted
2019 Michael Masecchia arrested
2020 - Anthony Gerace,guilty
2020 - Bifulco died

----------------Maybe connected maybe not---------
2018 Louis Ciminelli Jr.,get 2 years.



Hit so hard some attempt to keep the current narrative alive.

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Do you hear about more arrest on local level ?

In Chicago we see this year some arrest with LCN background but LE never speak about it. So maybe some kind of strategy.

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Yes, Joe Bella III was arested on criminal complaint by Homeland Security Investigationson narcotics trafficking and firearms charges this Past April.

Here is a Buffalo News article: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...9304cca-3104-5b14-9bf1-e4362ebd2427.html

Here is the WDNY press release: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/buffalo-man-arrested-and-charged-multiple-drug-and-gun-charges

It will be interesting to see if a grand jury delivers an indictment anytime soon.

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Do you know more about him ?

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Originally Posted by Nitro
Do you know more about him ?

Close to Sam Capitano, involved in debt collection schemes:

See NY Attorney General: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...s-165k-settlement-debt-collector-buffalo

See Buffalo News: https://buffalonews.com/2016/11/02/buffalo-debt-collector-accused-harassing-consumers/

See: https://www.insidearm.com/news/00013565-new-york-court-halts-debt-collectors-oper/

Telemarketing scams going back to 2002.

See NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/04/...ays-pill-seller-invoked-terror-case.html

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Lawyer for Ex-DEA Agent: Charges Mired in Anti-Italian Bias
The attorney for a former federal agent charged with pocketing $250,000 in bribes to protect the Mafia in Buffalo, New York, says the indictment is rooted in a racial animus toward Italian Americans.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...agent-charges-mired-in-anti-italian-bias


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Here is one thing to consider, Joe Todaro Jr, has spent considerable amount of resources building his image up in the media as a straight laced, hard working businessman, who the feds and the media are blaming him for the sins of his father.

We see that the Buffalo LCN or whoever is left has a way of corrupting local and federal L.E.

What I mean by that is that you the DEA agent that was recently indicted however, we also see in Hamilton, there are recent cases of a few L.E. officers actually indicted and a bunch more accused of being on the take.

To help foster the squeaky clean businessman image insulation from the crimes on the street would be very helpful.

Somewhere along the line, the decision was made NOT to induct, the sons, nephews and cousins etc.. (Let them be involved with the rackets however, NO BUTTON).

One of the things we have seen in Buffalo, is traditional LCN, rackets, with people that were associates of the LCN, family or their relatives however, no direct tie. (INSULATION)
I.E. in some pretty big construction and/or union projects.

When the indictment hits there is NO direct tie to the LCN, family, that is the guys that are put out front to take the hit are one or two layers removed from the LCN.

Take a look at the Gambino's and the Campos, case you have a typical kick back scheme for work being awarded to companies paying kick-backs, this happens every day in the construction industry however, if you are LCN, this ends up being a racketeering case.

The difference is these companies are owned/controlled by members of the Gambino family.

Most of you know once you tie R.I.C.O. to these cases a couple of things happen:

1) The prison sentences go way up. (Easier to get people to flip)
2) To convict on a R.I.C.O. case you only need preponderance of evidence, which is way EASIER than beyond a reasonable doubt. (Easier to convict a trial)
3) R.I.C.O. extends the statue of limitations.

Its just a smarted way of doing things with layers of insulation.

Nickel, knows the Buffalo, cases I am referring to and could probably post the links.

So what I am saying is that some of this could be by design.

It could be the elders looking out for their kin, just adapting to the new world we live in, the world has changed in so many ways since Luciano, put this together, so for these guys to survive they need to change with the times and for the ones that do NOT, they surely will be extinct.

Look at Jack Tocco, from Detroit he was one of the longest sitting LCN, bosses he spent I think a year in jail died at 87, of natural causes surrounded by family.
He too cultivated the businessman image, he too had political protection.

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Was there ever a "line" drawn between the Buffalo-Niagara guys and the Canadian buffalo guys culturally, or socially? Even in NYC mobsters team up based on borough and even kill each other. I always thought it was interested that the country's border never stopped Magaddino from consolidated his family in such a large territory. Many square miles

NickleCity we never met but I appreciate your posts

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Re: Buffalo Mob [Re: furio_from_naples] #1003663
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Nickel, can better elaborate however, he told me a story about a wake of a Buffalo, LCN member a few years back and If I remember correctly he said guys from Canada, had attended.

I would imagine back in the day it was pretty easy to go across the border obviously not as easy today.




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current info/structure of buffalo/todaro crime family
(jan.1 2021-
BOSS/senior advisor
JOSEPH TODARO JR.

Joseph Todaro III (son)-no evidence of being made but is Todaro Jr.'s only son.
-married to daughter of Donald "the Turtle" Panepinto.

Peter Gerace Sr. (brother-in-law to Todaro Jr.)
sons
Peter Gerace Jr.
-owner of Pharoh's strip club in Cheektowaga,NY which was raided Dec.17 2019.
Anthony Gerace
-plead guilty to drug,firearm and gambling charges.

Robert Panaro Jr. (soldier)-from all media accounts he lives in Las Vegas and is inactive.

Joseph C. Bella III (associate)
-no info who Bella works for but he is involved in a lot of criminal activity.

UNDERBOSS
DOMENICO VIOLI (imprisoned)
-based in Hamilton,ON.
Giuseppe Violi (brother)(imprisoned)

Luppino cell
Leader
Rocco Luppino

Natale Luppino (soldier)
Antonio Iavarone (soldier)

-i have checked online for info on most of the oft mentioned capo/soldiers of the buffalo family and cannot find any current proof of criminal activity.
so either the family is now operating as a small tight operation or there is no family left.
-the list above might show a total of 5 made men 3 of which are based in Hamilton,ON.
-there is no info either of mafia activity in other parts of upstate NY:rochester,utica,syracuse show no current indictments involving mafia.
-don't know where the DEA agent bongiovanni and masecchia line up in all this no reference to known mafia members in indictments.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
A high school teacher in Buffalo Public Schools arrested last year may be a member of the mob according to new Buffalo News article on DEA agent Bongiovanni and Masecchia: https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/22/feds-tie-former-dea-agent-to-drug-dealer-and-mob/

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A new grand jury indictment against the former agent also names Michael Masecchia, a former Buffalo school teacher described in court papers as a longtime drug dealer and member or associate of "Italian Organized Crime...

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..."Masecchia’s is an associate and possible made member of the Buffalo LCN family," the email said, according to court papers. LCN was a reference to La Cosa Nostra.


Michael Masecchia is married to made man Bart Mazzara’s (deceased) daughter. His wife’s uncles are/were made men Vic and Dan (deceased) Sansanese.

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In NYC we don't see any cases lately does that mean there is no mob, i dont think so. The same with Buffalo.


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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.


During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not.

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The fact that Domenico violi a Canadian was made underboss may be the best indication of what's going on in Buffalo. Todaro jr may see the future of the family in Hamilton where from what I can tell there is a more active faction of the family.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.


During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not.


But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew.

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This argument has been going on for years, does the family exist or not. I think it does. And I think its a money making family at that. Small in numbers and definitely on the down low the way it should be. What difference does it make if it's 20, 30 or 50 guys? It's organized, disciplined and making money. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.


During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not.


But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew.


My questions: 1. Does your statement assume Buffalo has not made any men? 2. If so, is that assumption based on the assumption that the crime family is dead? 3. How do you handle the information regarding an alleged making ceremony in 2015 when Dominic was made? 4. If number 3 is true, maybe the ongoing assumption has been wrong and there have been other making ceremonies--I recognize this is an assumption on my part. 5. If my assumption is right, how many making ceremonies did they have in the supposed "dead years?" 7. How do we handle the LE statement that Masecchia may be a made member of the Buffalo LCN? 8. Do we assume this is false because we've assumed the family is dead? 9. If it is true that Masecchia is a made man, does point to the validity of the 2015 making ceremony or another ceremony we are unaware of? Again, number 9 would be be an assumption on my part. 10. Some will point to the FBI statement that only remnants remain form March 2017 and say this proves the family is dead, but this is an assumption that the FBI still believes the family is dead. Is that assumption true? Or has it changed with the new information that has been revealed from Nov. 2017 forward.

I could keep going but my point is this: We all make assumptions base on the presuppositions we cary with us.

The question is can one identify his or her presuppositions and be prepared to change them when new data is available?

I try to do this, but currently, with the information available to me, I still lean to an active Buffalo family. I think the prevailing presuppositions have been wrong. But again, I may be wrong--I recognize the presuppositions I bring to my understanding of this situation.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.


During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not.


But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew.


My questions: 1. Does your statement assume Buffalo has not made any men? 2. If so, is that assumption based on the assumption that the crime family is dead? 3. How do you handle the information regarding an alleged making ceremony in 2015 when Dominic was made? 4. If number 3 is true, maybe the ongoing assumption has been wrong and there have been other making ceremonies--I recognize this is an assumption on my part. 5. If my assumption is right, how many making ceremonies did they have in the supposed "dead years?" 7. How do we handle the LE statement that Masecchia may be a made member of the Buffalo LCN? 8. Do we assume this is false because we've assumed the family is dead? 9. If it is true that Masecchia is a made man, does point to the validity of the 2015 making ceremony or another ceremony we are unaware of? Again, number 9 would be be an assumption on my part. 10. Some will point to the FBI statement that only remnants remain form March 2017 and say this proves the family is dead, but this is an assumption that the FBI still believes the family is dead. Is that assumption true? Or has it changed with the new information that has been revealed from Nov. 2017 forward.

I could keep going but my point is this: We all make assumptions base on the presuppositions we cary with us.

The question is can one identify his or her presuppositions and be prepared to change them when new data is available?

I try to do this, but currently, with the information available to me, I still lean to an active Buffalo family. I think the prevailing presuppositions have been wrong. But again, I may be wrong--I recognize the presuppositions I bring to my understanding of this situation.


I think that could have a dozen or less of made men and speaking frankly this is not a family but a bunch of old times and wannabes that make money,are organized ecc but still a glorified crew. I dont think that if really made a canadian guy as underboss this mean that have no men in Us for the rule,if the whole thing is true.

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the "chart" i posted was not meant to be the definitive evidence of the status of the mafia in buffalo.
many posters on here over the years and on other sites have regurgitated the same "charts" from all over the net showing a very basic list which usually contains a lot of names of dead or inactive or not even made men.
i do not know a lot about the mafia in buffalo and have only recently begun to research it because of its long time connections to canada.
by posting the names i did i was trying to get a more accurate street presence of the family.

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lets not forget either about the tobacco trafficking cell led by domenico agostino (now deceased) and domenico cocullo based in montreal/quebec.
it was revealed by rcmp that this cell was paying a tribute or part of profits to the violi bros.
this would show the reach of violi bros and by extension the buffalo crime family.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years.
every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto.
not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.



A DEA agent in bed with LCN, in 2021 isn't significant?


The Violi's case wasn't significant?
The one brother got 16 years if he was charged in the US he would have gotten double that 32 Years+

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
lets not forget either about the tobacco trafficking cell led by domenico agostino (now deceased) and domenico cocullo based in montreal/quebec.
it was revealed by rcmp that this cell was paying a tribute or part of profits to the violi bros.
this would show the reach of violi bros and by extension the buffalo crime family.


That’s interesting, I read an article about the Monture family from the 6 Nations Reservation, it mentioned business with local mobsters, specifically related to tobacco.

I think this is it, mentioned Monture, the mob, etc. Also goes in deep to the murder of the Racco.

https://reports.thespec.io/category/railroaded/

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Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo.
And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo.
And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.


Only Violi said that was made underboss and the Commission approved. But the Commission doesnt exist anymore.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo.
And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.


Right before bodies started dropping in Hamilton, the consensus was nothing was going on....

The consensus was/is on Buffalo that because lack of criminal indictments is evidence they no longer exist.

Let's apply that to Hamilton before the Violo's what was the last major mafia event?

The Mustiano's going to jail?
Was that in 1997?

I believe it's a shell of what it was.
I think there a couple/ few crews left.

I believe the structure is loose.

I believe the Heirarchy is layers removed.
Heavily into legit business and not taking any chances.

I also think they have started to rebuild as their is evidence that new members have been inducted.

For the feds to leak to the press that the teacher may be a member that has to be based on something......

I never understood why anyone would be calling Violi's wire taps in to question?

Why would he be lying or considered a liar?
It appears that he is well respected I have never read anything negative about him.

So if he says he is U.B. I have no reason not to believe him.
Also to support that claim the feds in Canada, came out and said that Buffalo LCN, still exists. That leads me to believe they have more evidence to suggest that.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo.
And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.


Let's apply that to Hamilton before the Violo's what was the last major mafia event?

The Mustiano's going to jail?
Was that in 1997?



The Musitanos, I believe were arrested in 1998, when the hitman they used ended up rattling on them. You have to wonder what would of came of them, if they murdered Ken Murdock, after he killed Papalia and Barrillaro?

I have been speaking with people in Ontario, since the death of Rizzuto, and by March of 2014, the faint mention of Buffalo was already being spoken. Then as if by magic, people start to get killed, as well as people start mentioning Buffalo.

Basically, I started hearing about Buffalo, right before Frank Papalia died.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hami...-rock-of-hamilton-mafia-family-1.2615254

I still find it confusing lol

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Three stories about the Buffalo mob in today's Buffalo News:

1. Is the mob back? Feds probe Buffalo Mafia after calling it all but dead
Dan Herbeck, Lou Michel. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...e74b.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

2. With guns drawn, feds told ex-DEA agent: 'Tell us all about the Mafia'
Dan Herbeck, Lou Michel. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...a2642de-72d6-11eb-8fbc-cfb51d6df23c.html

3. Feds cite link between longtime scammer and Buffalo organized crime
Lou Michel, Dan Herbeck. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...623931c-6fa1-11eb-bc03-d7a70fef3d51.html

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Something is going on there, I don't know what it is but it's something.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
Three stories about the Buffalo mob in today's Buffalo News:

1. Is the mob back? Feds probe Buffalo Mafia after calling it all but dead
Dan Herbeck, Lou Michel. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...e74b.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

2. With guns drawn, feds told ex-DEA agent: 'Tell us all about the Mafia'
Dan Herbeck, Lou Michel. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...a2642de-72d6-11eb-8fbc-cfb51d6df23c.html

3. Feds cite link between longtime scammer and Buffalo organized crime
Lou Michel, Dan Herbeck. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...623931c-6fa1-11eb-bc03-d7a70fef3d51.html


Yeah reading this today they are going hard after any LCN link even though LCN in the 2020s is a very small "evil"...straight clowns. I hate this city.

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Peter Gerace arrested in Florida while on vacation. Indicted by WDNY.

Buffalo Mafia is alive for sure after this. They want Todaro.

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Feds arrest alleged New York crime family leader in South Florida on conspiracy charge

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Something is going on there, I don't know what it is but it's something.


I agree. Something is going on but like they said in the article, nothing has been proven yet.


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Ive been retired for some time now and traveling around in my motor home and I’ve been visiting old friends and family all over the country and I’ve posted before that the small families north and west in some form are doing something.

These guys just don’t stop ... even if its the smallest gig they can get away with or think it wont draw any attention they are going to do it ....these guys are not going to work for Amazon .... there going to do what they know and reach out to friends and family just like us .


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One thing I noticed in the article I read is that nowhere does the US attorney or the investigators use the term LCN, they use "IOT" for Italian Organized Crime. And they love to use LCN whenever they can. Might be a simple oversight, might not. So if it's just a group of Italian criminals, is it actually a part of this thing or actually recognized around the country? Not saying it is or isn't, that was just something that stood out to me. Hell even in rhode island the US attorney still names NELCN

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Originally Posted by Zorro
One thing I noticed in the article I read is that nowhere does the US attorney or the investigators use the term LCN, they use "IOT" for Italian Organized Crime. And they love to use LCN whenever they can. Might be a simple oversight, might not. So if it's just a group of Italian criminals, is it actually a part of this thing or actually recognized around the country? Not saying it is or isn't, that was just something that stood out to me. Hell even in rhode island the US attorney still names NELCN



RI loves using that NELCN


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Gerace charged with trafficking minors?

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Teacher was a drug dealer with organized crime ties, prosecutors say

https://ktvz.com/amp/teacher-was-a-drug-dealer-with-organized-crime-ties-prosecutors-say


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Originally Posted by Zorro
One thing I noticed in the article I read is that nowhere does the US attorney or the investigators use the term LCN, they use "IOT" for Italian Organized Crime. And they love to use LCN whenever they can. Might be a simple oversight, might not. So if it's just a group of Italian criminals, is it actually a part of this thing or actually recognized around the country? Not saying it is or isn't, that was just something that stood out to me. Hell even in rhode island the US attorney still names NELCN


I think the actual family is small, but I read they have a few hundred associates.


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A judge was just hit by a train a few days ago but survived. Now it came out that before he was hit he was laying on the tracks. Why? Because he was friends with Joe Bongiovanni. The Feds are now targeting his friends.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...dcd05.html#tracking-source=home-trending

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Hey guys what do you think about this

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Hi all,

new to the forum here, I am mostly tuned in into the 'ndrangheta stuff, in Calabria - where I am - and in Canada. I have been researching the Violi situation - the two brothers have pretty strong ndrangheta connections - but of course their Buffalo connection is what got them into trouble. It will be interesting to see what happens when Dom comes out (he should get paroled soon,...)

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Calabrian Watcher, what research do you have on the Violi situation? Is there anything that is actually authentic? Do you know anyone in Calabria that knows them? I haven't seen any article about Dom getting parole, have you?


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Calabrian Watcher, what research do you have on the Violi situation? Is there anything that is actually authentic? Do you know anyone in Calabria that knows them? I haven't seen any article about Dom getting parole, have you?


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That he is getting parole before the release date I have learned from a source in Hamilton...I am still trying to figure out the actual connections there. The Luppino side of the family (Cece side to be specific) has family in Siderno, in Calabria in the Commisso-macri clan, so the Violi's connections cannot be far off...am still researching

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Calabrian Watcher, my cousin is from Hamilton. Is your source law enforcement? Journalist? Or somebody that is close to them? If Dom was sentenced to 8 years is his mandatory release date 2/3rd or 1/3rd? I asked a friend of mine here that knows the brothers and he hadn't heard anything yet. I asked in the other thread but from what I understand is that 2 of the Luppino brothers married into the Commisso family in Hamilton. I'm assuming that you are referring to family in Siderno as being related to the ones in Hamilton?


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Yes, the source is law enforcement and I am not sure when this is actually happening, but it sounded not too far away - perhaps it was am expectation more than actual information? Yes the 2 brothers are married into the Commissos. In addition, Cece Luppino, killed in January 2019 in Hamilton, son of Rocco Luppino is Giuseppe Macrì's nephew. This MAcrì is a high ranking ndrangheta member in Siderno. Giuseppe Macrì is married with Liliana Tavernese, who is the sister of Gisella Tavernese (married Prochilo), who is the mother of Angelica Prochilo who was the wife of Cece Luppino. That is smile

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Originally Posted by CalabrianWatcher
Yes, the source is law enforcement and I am not sure when this is actually happening, but it sounded not too far away - perhaps it was am expectation more than actual information? Yes the 2 brothers are married into the Commissos. In addition, Cece Luppino, killed in January 2019 in Hamilton, son of Rocco Luppino is Giuseppe Macrì's nephew. This MAcrì is a high ranking ndrangheta member in Siderno. Giuseppe Macrì is married with Liliana Tavernese, who is the sister of Gisella Tavernese (married Prochilo), who is the mother of Angelica Prochilo who was the wife of Cece Luppino. That is smile


Also related to the boss Vincenzo “Vince” Tavernese?


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Am interesting question, I think so but I don’t know why I think so so need to check

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Is there still a "Luppino faction" per se??

Or are the few Luppino men left just remnants, and not actually a faction or crew per se?

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As far as I know the Luppino keep the surnanme and reputation alive, and the Violi side is the business side

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Is there still a "Luppino faction" per se??

Or are the few Luppino men left just remnants, and not actually a faction or crew per se?


Giacomo Luppino's five sons are involved in the family business. Natale Luppino is a "made" member and along with his brother Rocco are the still living, senior dons in the crime family.


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Hollander, from what I understand there are five brothers still alive, four of them have criminal records: Antonio, Rocco, Natale, and John. These convictions were from well over thirty years ago. There has not been an arrest or conviction since on an of these men the only time you would hear about them was when the journalists would include them in articles about linking them to being one of the three families in Hamilton.
Would you classify them as being actively involved in criminal activity? The RCMP tried to link Rocco and Nat to project Otreamans but could not find any evidence to arrest or charge any of them. So how could you say they are senior dons of a crime family that in my eyes have not been criminally active for over 35 years?


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Calabrian Watcher, again thank you for your input. I would have never guessed that the Prochilo family was related to the Tavernese and Macri families in Siderno. My cousin was actually at CeCe stag party and he said it was one of the most prestigious gentleman's party with well over one thousand people. He also said that CeCe had impeccable manners, even if he was just meeting somebody for the first time he would take the time to offer a drink with them. My friend here in Montreal that is now deceased was at his brother Giacomo stag and he said that he too had about 1000 or less people. They definitely have a lot of respect there.


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Yes - I think the Luppino are still the 'honour' side of the family, the Violi brothers are the 'gangster' side of it...if that makes sense? How do you even find 1000 people to invite to a stag!??!?

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Originally Posted by CalabrianWatcher
That he is getting parole before the release date I have learned from a source in Hamilton...I am still trying to figure out the actual connections there. The Luppino side of the family (Cece side to be specific) has family in Siderno, in Calabria in the Commisso-macri clan, so the Violi's connections cannot be far off...am still researching


Mafia 'underboss' gets day parole despite his apparent 'authority and control' over inmates in prison
Over the objections of prison officials, Domenico Violi was released to a half-way house this month

https://nationalpost.com/news/mafia...ority-and-control-over-inmates-in-prison

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^^^^
Hamilton mobster gets day parole after serving three years for drug trafficking charges

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-years-for-drug-trafficking-charges.html

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He sounds like rat material, agreeing to do all this positive shit once released.

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violi doesn't strike me as rat material.
canadas justice system performing on par yet again.
and he can agree to do anything to be released if the recourse is to stay in prison longer.

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Canada is a mobster’s heaven, law-wise.

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Originally Posted by antimafia
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Hamilton mobster gets day parole after serving three years for drug trafficking charges

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-years-for-drug-trafficking-charges.html


Only in Canada,a dangerous mobster get 16 for drug trafficking and is out after 3!
Unbelievable!

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I'm glad he's free, some of you guys sound like some pro-government, pro-State snitches on here.

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Furio, I think you need to read the article again man. Giuseppe Violi was sentenced to 16 years not his brother Dom Violi.


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Dilly, I strongly agree with Cahill, Dom Violi would never be a rat. He has more integrity, self respect and honour then many , OC figures in Canada and in the United States and Italy. And I believe many people men on both sides of the law know this. He was brought up in a family that holds the traits loyality, respect and honour above everything else, this family that has been a law enforcement target since the 70's has never been penetrated until just 4 years ago, when an informant from NY took full advantage of Doms and his families kindness. I seriously doubt that Dom will drop his guard again to be put in such a predictament where he allows a stranger into his inner circle. This is just my opinion based on conversations from people that actually know him. I'm sure there are others that disagree..so let's hear them.


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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
He sounds like rat material, agreeing to do all this positive shit once released.



Silliness.... they dont come more Mafia than Dom Violi....

The goody Two Shoes act is CLASSIC MAFIA.... that's what you supposed to do.

I got arrested for Growing weed, got super lenient probation because I told em what they wanna hear. " It was bad, blah blah blah"....

Be stupid and go in there with all that bravado, like a Quack Quack in the Courtroom, and see how much time you get..


It's crazy you even mention Violi and rat in the same sentence, the man SPECIFICALLY took a plea that didnt force him to admit mafia membership, plus he just forced them to reconsider his parole for mentioning mafia at his hearing, when he wasnt convicted of mafia association.

So he played the system to its fullest, got reputable people to speak on his behalf...

You buggin...

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Originally Posted by MikeM
Furio, I think you need to read the article again man. Giuseppe Violi was sentenced to 16 years not his brother Dom Violi.


Yes,my bad.

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The “rat from NY” was Enzo Morena, correct?

He’s proof that not all “zips” are hardcore stand up guys like many believe.

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Okay, my apologies then.

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About Enzo Morena, I was thinking the same thing. There are even more rats in the Mafia in Italy than over here. Now grant it, they have way more Mafiosi, but still.

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As far as Zips go, I do think they could do a better job at running Italian organized crime in America than today's Italian-American population, just by restoring some old-world values and traditional Mafia customs. They can be very loyal and tightly-knit as well, especially if they're all related in some way. That's actually one of the things that make the Ndrangheta one of the most powerful organized crime groups in the world.

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
The “rat from NY” was Enzo Morena, correct?

He’s proof that not all “zips” are hardcore stand up guys like many believe.


What risked Morena to force him to flip?

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I think morena was arrested in a 2014 cocaine bust out of Montreal.
He was also once a member of the Giannini crew so by extension an associate of the bonannos in the early 2000's.
After arrest he became a paid informer for the RCMP.

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Just reading the Toronto Sun article curious that it says violi has good connections to Asian OC in Ontario.

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If I remember correctly, Morena was deported after a prison stretch in the US.
Like Vito said he was a Bonanno associate at the time.
Then he settled in Canada. Most likely illegally due to his past conviction and expulsion from America.
I would guess that he didn't want to get shipped back overseas for a second time so he flipped.

That's the thing with zips.

The only ones truly worth something are the drug brokers.

Zip enforcers, on the other hand, are nothing special.

First off, to settle here legally, they must be unknown, young, with no criminal history.
The more established ones most certainly have a record so they won’t make it through immigration.

Second of all, either way the come here legally or illegally, they won’t even be able do their “job” freely because of the threat of deportation constantly looming over their heads. Even a simple assault charge can get them kicked out of the country (like Walter Samperi)…or make them flip (like Biagio Adornetto, Sergio Battaglia, Enzo Morena, etc).

It seems that the direction the LCN has taken is in line with this thinking.

Do business with the zips who count on the global drug market and use your own local meatheads as muscle.

Recent indictments prove that there’s always an abundance of leg-breakers around.

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I always thought it was bullshit, hilarious, but bullshit nonetheless, when the Colombos were charged with "extorting" the Gambinos for the cost of Walter Samperi's medical bills. Of course the Gambinos should've paid, it was one of their guys who fucked Samperi up. Samperi must've not been much of an earner. I question whether the Colombos had enough money in their coffers (remember the secret mob banks I inquired about in another thread?) but even if they did, I could see why they expected the Gambinos to pay.

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The Violi are from Sinopoli.


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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Okay, my apologies then.



Now having said that, of course, ...... if Violi turns out to have already flipped, got let out early, then they let him run around like Morena making cases, then I'll gladly wear the dunce hat, lol!!

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
Just reading the Toronto Sun article curious that it says violi has good connections to Asian OC in Ontario.




He moves fentanyl and synthetics like ecstasy.... probably heroin too and weed...

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I doubt that they're letting him out to make cases, usually when they do that they keep it under tight wrap, until the indictments come down then everyone's shocked.

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Son of murdered Hamilton mob boss gets to stay on parole
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ton-mob-boss-gets-to-stay-on-parole.html

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