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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Peel Regional Police will be updating the media on scene at 11:00 am as per their tweet https://twitter.com/PeelPoliceMediaUpdate: Media relations officers, @OfficerMooken and @OfficerTaryn will be at this scene at 11 a.m. to speak with the media.
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Reporter and video journalist Matt Ingram, currently working for CHCH News, has been tweeting live from the scene. His handle is @MattIngramNEWS. Thanks Anti!
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The Hamilton Spectator's Nicole O'Reilly has updated the paper's article on the shooting. Link below is to the Toronto Star site -- both papers are owned by the same parent company -- but please note you may hit a paywall if you've already ready five (5) free articles on the Toronto Star site this month. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-mississauga-taken-to-trauma-centre.html
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Reporter and video journalist Matt Ingram, currently working for CHCH News, has been tweeting live from the scene. His handle is @MattIngramNEWS. https://twitter.com/MattIngramNEWS/status/1121433506868092928Matt Ingram @MattIngramNEWS #BREAKING Police hold presser, say victim shot multiple times, remains in life-threatening condition, wouldn't say where in body shot, wouldn't say why he was here, will say it happened outside vehicle @CHCHNews 11:19 AM - 25 Apr 2019 from Mississauga, Ontario
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Damn! Angelo was whacked a couple years ago, his uncle passes away a week or two ago....now this! Musitanos are definitely done for. Any speculation as to where this is coming from? Could it be Rocco Papalia? He was released from Prison a few years ago right? I am sure he has a vendetta ever since the Musitanos took out His brother Johnny back in 97'.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Damn! Angelo was whacked a couple years ago, his uncle passes away a week or two ago....now this! Musitanos are definitely done for. Any speculation as to where this is coming from? Could it be Rocco Papalia? He was released from Prison a few years ago right? I am sure he has a vendetta ever since the Musitanos took out His brother Johnny back in 97'. This has everything to do with the revenge murders of Al Iavarone and Rocco Luppino. Live by the sword, die by the sword. The Musitanos are done. And the tweet about Pat whacking his brother was total BS.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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I am surprised that Pat let his guard down, I mean after all these years of looking over his shoulder you think he would be looking for something like this. I guess we are all human and we all would have moments of letting our guard down. He probably never expected it at 7 am you know?
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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This has everything to do with the revenge murders of Al Iavarone and Rocco Luppino. Live by the sword, die by the sword. The Musitanos are done. And the tweet about Pat whacking his brother was total BS.
Yea this was definitely revenge for the recent hits, but I should say that other attempts on Pat have been carried out in the past, so it was gonna happen at some point. Also I should point out that the Musitanos may be one of the smaller families and if Pat dies they definitely take a hit, I wouldn't say they're done. As you know, families like this consist mostly of relatives that are on the "IN" and an extended network of associates. I suspect there will be more retaliation from their end to avenge their cousin. This is more like a mustache Pete peasant kind of war filled with vendettas, it's not longer about business.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Six things to know about the shooting of Hamilton mobster Pat Musitano https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...ooting-of-hamilton-mobster-pat-musitano/Here's an interesting comment by someone following the Hamilton Spectator's post on Facebook about the attempted murder this morning: Hamilton Spectator Facebook post linking to its own articleJoanne Barker The Hamilton Spectator I have your answers. HAVANA GROUP SUPPLIES. Steve sardinha, zach everett. Linda everett (vice president) I believe the lappino shooting was also involving Musitano. He owns ROCCO Construction that was in hauling. And Pat and Havana wanted to be number 1. Pming you! Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 6:45 pm [EST] --------------- Incidentally, the website for Havana Group Supplies does not seem to be operational. Here's a link to Google's cache of the site: Havana Group Supplies site -- Google cache
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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[snip] Here's an interesting comment by someone following the Hamilton Spectator's post on Facebook about the attempted murder this morning: Hamilton Spectator Facebook post linking to its own articleJoanne Barker The Hamilton Spectator I have your answers. HAVANA GROUP SUPPLIES. Steve sardinha, zach everett. Linda everett (vice president) I believe the lappino shooting was also involving Musitano. He owns ROCCO Construction that was in hauling. And Pat and Havana wanted to be number 1. Pming you! Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 6:45 pm [EST] [snip] The woman who posted on Facebook may be the person on Twitter who posted three pages of what appear to be some legal proceeding involving a number of plaintiffs and numerous defendants. Musitano's name appears four lines from the bottom of the list of defendants. https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1121755446266814464
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member interesting,, you have a source ? If it true that Buffalo get more power. Then its make sense that they push this group out.
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...rld-how-a-drug-plea-has-exposed-a-mafia/It might be this article. Three quarters of the way down, Violi discusses the Musitanos after Angelo was killed and mentioned Pat being on the lamb/not having much time left.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member I support this theory, even though Johnny Papalia wasn't lcn, he was very close to Stefano Maggadino and the rest of the buffalo family. Pat had him whacked in 97. Also interesting to note, Johnny Papalias brother Rocco just got out of prison a year or two ago. But really it could be from any number of people. Pat had this coming from a number of directions...the GTA ndrangheta is done with him.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member I support this theory, even though Johnny Papalia wasn't lcn, he was very close to Stefano Maggadino and the rest of the buffalo family. Pat had him whacked in 97. Also interesting to note, Johnny Papalias brother Rocco just got out of prison a year or two ago. But really it could be from any number of people. Pat had this coming from a number of directions...the GTA ndrangheta is done with him. What makes you think he wasn't LCN? He's been identified as a Buffalo member and capo by various sources. Only the Musitanos are still a matter of debate whether they were Buffalo members, but I would be suprised if they were the exception.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Excerpt: In the September 2017 recorded conversation, Dom Violi says the Musitanos were supporting the Cuntreras, who at times are referred to as the "coffee guys." The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia family is known in the Woodbridge and Toronto areas. The home of Giuseppe Cuntrera, referred to in the court documents as "Big Joe," was targeted with gunshots and fire in the summer of 2017.
Pat and Ang Musitano are referred to in an earlier recorded conversation with the police agent, which is also included in the court file, from Jan. 6, 2016 — more than a year before Angelo's murder. In that conversation, Joe Violi talks about a plan he'd heard about from a hit man to target two people, one in Hamilton and one in Toronto.
Violi tells the police agent he thought the Musitanos and the Cuntreras were behind those plans. But it appears those murders, if there was ever any truth to the plans, never happened.What a mindf*ck this all is, especially because Business or Blood argued that the Siderno Group and Caruana-Cuntrera family were in cahoots, the latter in effect therefore no longer beholden to the Rizzutos.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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violi said morena that 'they' wanted musitano dead, maybe the siderno group? there is a war between caruana-cuntrera and the siderno group? Problem with that is it's labelled the "Siderno Group" because its members primarily came from the town of Siderno, but it doesn't have a structure it's just a group of families. The structure are the locali. There is a strong argument to be made that the Greater Toronto Area Siderno Group is still one locale, just as it was in the 1960s. In 2010, at 43 inducted members, there appeared to be fewer members than in the 1970s, when Mike Racco was the undisputed leader of the Siderno Group in Toronto and had probably come the closest any mafIoso has ever come to being the godfather of Toronto.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Excerpt: In the September 2017 recorded conversation, Dom Violi says the Musitanos were supporting the Cuntreras, who at times are referred to as the "coffee guys." The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia family is known in the Woodbridge and Toronto areas. The home of Giuseppe Cuntrera, referred to in the court documents as "Big Joe," was targeted with gunshots and fire in the summer of 2017.
Pat and Ang Musitano are referred to in an earlier recorded conversation with the police agent, which is also included in the court file, from Jan. 6, 2016 — more than a year before Angelo's murder. In that conversation, Joe Violi talks about a plan he'd heard about from a hit man to target two people, one in Hamilton and one in Toronto.
Violi tells the police agent he thought the Musitanos and the Cuntreras were behind those plans. But it appears those murders, if there was ever any truth to the plans, never happened.What a mindf*ck this all is, especially because Business or Blood argued that the Siderno Group and Caruana-Cuntrera family were in cahoots, the latter in effect therefore no longer beholden to the Rizzutos. But who says the Siderno group is alligned with the Luppinos? Who says the intended target of the Cuntreras and Musitanos in Toronto was a Siderno group member? Rizzuto said to a police officer that he didn't believe the attacks on his family came from Toronto, but that he believed it was coming from New York. We know now that this was largely true so he was most likely oddly honest. Also, you know better than any about rivalries within the Siderno group. Maybe some were in cahoots with the Cuntreras (and in effect the Rizzutos) and some weren't.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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These wars and murders must make every politician on the payroll or who were willing to cooperate with them in past and future must be trying to avoid and ignore them in fear of them being prosecuted due to the heat. We know from the previous indictments that the Rizzuto Cosa Nostra had political strings, wasn't it Leonardo and a few others who were exanorated by the queen for gangsterism?
I truly don't get why these Ndgrangheta Clans and Cosa Nostra families never learn that this sort of continous open violence makes politicians and other business oppurtunities skeeve away and avoid them in fear of being caught up in a headline. I mean I don' really know but if you were a slightly crooked otherwise A4 politician with a family would you choose to implicate yourself with that sort of risky and loud organization?
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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maybe violi meant the luppino's wanted him dead Or the Papalia clan at least they have a clear motive. Italy Domenico Papalia, Johnny Papalia's first cousin, was a boss in the 'Ndrangheta in Calabria. He was involved in at least five kidnappings and convicted for the 1976 murder of rival mobster Antonio D'Agostino.[4] In the 1970s, a branch of the Papalia family relocated their operations from Platì to Buccinasco near Milan. Another two first cousins of Johnny, Antonio and Rocco Papalia, used ransom money from kidnppings to buy large shipments of drugs for export. In 1993, authorities seized a house, factory, land, cars and businesses that belonged to Antonio and Rocco, worth over $40 million.[4] The Papalias also operated with the Barbaro 'ndrina in the north–south operation, also having connections stretching to Australia.
On July 10, 2008, in the Cerberus operation of the Guardia di Finanza, several people were arrested including Domenico, Rocco and Antonio Papalia who were said to have controlled the construction sector in Buccinasco, Corsico and Pogliano Milanese.[13] On May 6, 2017, after being imprisoned since 1992, Rocco Papalia, nicknamed nginu, was released.[14]
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Yet another theory emerges as to why Musitano was shot. The mobster, the fraudster and the $110-million-a-month construction business: The story of a Hamilton company’s alleged scam
A company with ties to a local mobster and convicted fraudster is alleged to have perpetrated a multimillion-dollar scam that has resulted in tattered lives and lawsuits across the Hamilton areaLink: https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...ry-of-a-hamilton-company-s-alleged-scam/Web Archive link in case you hit a paywall: Web Archive linkThere will be many theories, the Musitano's seemed to have made many of enemies over the years.
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Excerpt: In the September 2017 recorded conversation, Dom Violi says the Musitanos were supporting the Cuntreras, who at times are referred to as the "coffee guys." The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia family is known in the Woodbridge and Toronto areas. The home of Giuseppe Cuntrera, referred to in the court documents as "Big Joe," was targeted with gunshots and fire in the summer of 2017.
Pat and Ang Musitano are referred to in an earlier recorded conversation with the police agent, which is also included in the court file, from Jan. 6, 2016 — more than a year before Angelo's murder. In that conversation, Joe Violi talks about a plan he'd heard about from a hit man to target two people, one in Hamilton and one in Toronto.
Violi tells the police agent he thought the Musitanos and the Cuntreras were behind those plans. But it appears those murders, if there was ever any truth to the plans, never happened.What a mindf*ck this all is, especially because Business or Blood argued that the Siderno Group and Caruana-Cuntrera family were in cahoots, the latter in effect therefore no longer beholden to the Rizzutos. I agree mindf*ck is a good characterization........LOL But the above mentioned theory (Musitano/Cuntrera) may explain why the Cuntrera's were being targeted. It kind of makes sense for now. Given the fact that some of the Luppino daughters married members of a prominent Ndrangheta family and Violi promotion to underboss shows that there may have been a strategic alliance between NY, Violi/Luppino & Ndrangheta to purge remnants of the Rizzuto holdings in Ontario.
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violi said morena that 'they' wanted musitano dead, maybe the siderno group? there is a war between caruana-cuntrera and the siderno group? Problem with that is it's labelled the "Siderno Group" because its members primarily came from the town of Siderno, but it doesn't have a structure it's just a group of families. The structure are the locali. There is a strong argument to be made that the Greater Toronto Area Siderno Group is still one locale, just as it was in the 1960s. In 2010, at 43 inducted members, there appeared to be fewer members than in the 1970s, when Mike Racco was the undisputed leader of the Siderno Group in Toronto and had probably come the closest any mafIoso has ever come to being the godfather of Toronto. Thanks and does La Provincia control them or a single boss?
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Here is a tweet from that same twitter feed you linked earlier. This is VERY interesting:
Joclyn â€@Joclyn36115822 Apr 25 Replying to @PeelPoliceMedia
Not a mob hit bad business related to Havana Group supplies @hollyrowe @Kellyrowe @crystallnorton @ waterdowngardens @ zacheverett @lindaeverett And they posted that as soon as the supposed hit happened, I'm not even sure they knew it was Pat right away and he/she has already posted that tweet in reply. Very interesting and could other heads roll? This Twitter user posted her first tweet at 1:30 pm on Thursday, April 25. Pat Musitano was found shot and wounded shortly after 7:00 am that day (the call came in at 7:03 am). Media reports from around 9:50 am that day, such as from CHCH News in Hamilton, were already mentioning Musitano's name. (The reason the Peel Regional Police never confirmed his name is that it was not a homicide.) Nevertheless, this person on Twitter does seem to have some intimate knowledge about the lawsuit. She has continued to tweet images mostly from legal documents, to wit: https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1121466497031970816https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1121755446266814464https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1122871336794247168https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1122871415328391168I suspect that she or someone she knows has attended the legal proceedings.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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The informant also indicated that there had to be at least 50 members per locale.
Other sources report that there are 9 locale in Ontario. Some even go as far as reporting that there may be one locale in Montreal. Ciment, There is a serious definitional problem with respect to the term locale used to denote a unit of the 'ndrangheta operating outside Italy. Various authorities in Italy -- individuals who work in government, law enforcement, and justice -- have unfortunately not realized that, in interviews and public statements, they 1) offer different assessments of the number of locali in Canada (Ontario specifically) and 2) hold different views about what constitutes a locale, whether we are talking about the number of members or the number of 'ndrine operating in a territory. These authorities really should coordinate what they say in public and in writing. By one definition, the Greater Toronto Area Siderno Group in 2010 didn't even constitute a locale because, per phase 1 of the Il Crimine investigation, the crime group had only 43 inducted members. Give me a day or so, and I'll cite the sources I've collected over the years to show the discrepancies. To start, below is a link to a reprint of an interview with Michele Prestipino, one-time chief prosecutor for Reggio Calabria, that indicates Toronto has one locale and Thunder Bay (a much, much smaller city than Toronto) also has one locale. I don't agree with this equivalence at all, but the confusion arises from the aforementioned definitional problem. http://www.pinomasciari.it/?p=11376This older interview also offers a different take on who was actually in charge of the Siderno Group in the GTA back in 2011 despite the fact that the 2010 Il Crimine investigation named seven leaders who were considered to be on the camera di controllo, or commissione.
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I believe Giuseppe Avignone is also marked and is the last major member in the Musitano crime family. Giuseppe Avignone is related to the Musitano family right? I thought I read somewhere that he is a nephew of Anthony and Dominc. I am assuming Anthony and Dominic had a sister maybe? That's her kid? Think Giuseppe goes by the name Pino.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Yes him and Pasquale are cousins. The Avignones are also a 'ndrina, originally from Taurianova ( Reggio Calabria). And how exactly do you know that brothers Pat, Angelo, and Dominic Jr., as well as sister Carmelina, are Pino Avignone's first cousins? This is how Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituary reads near the beginning: "Dear father and father-in-law of Pino and Anna Avignone...." Link to my Evernote item is below, and the item has a PDF of the newspaper obituary. Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituaryUsually, Avignone has been variously described in books and newspaper articles as the adopted brother of Pat, Angelo, Dominic Jr., and Carmelina or as a stepbrother. Stephen Schneider, who wrote Iced: The Story of Organized Crime in Canada, went with the available conflicting information that was out there and decided that Avignone was Dominic Sr.'s nephew. Why does the obituary list Avignone as a surviving family member before the four aforementioned sons and daughter of Dominic Sr. and Carmelina Alampi? The obituary does not make reference to Pino as a stepson. Looking up surnames of 'ndrangheta members in Italy isn't going to help you figure out a puzzle that only people close to the Musitanos here in Ontario know the answer to; I certainly have no idea what the true relationship is between Avignone and the Musitanos.
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The informant also indicated that there had to be at least 50 members per locale.
Other sources report that there are 9 locale in Ontario. Some even go as far as reporting that there may be one locale in Montreal. Ciment, There is a serious definitional problem with respect to the term locale used to denote a unit of the 'ndrangheta operating outside Italy. Various authorities in Italy -- individuals who work in government, law enforcement, and justice -- have unfortunately not realized that, in interviews and public statements, they 1) offer different assessments of the number of locali in Canada (Ontario specifically) and 2) hold different views about what constitutes a locale, whether we are talking about the number of members or the number of 'ndrine operating in a territory. These authorities really should coordinate what they say in public and in writing. By one definition, the Greater Toronto Area Siderno Group in 2010 didn't even constitute a locale because, per phase 1 of the Il Crimine investigation, the crime group had only 43 inducted members. Give me a day or so, and I'll cite the sources I've collected over the years to show the discrepancies. To start, below is a link to a reprint of an interview with Michele Prestipino, one-time chief prosecutor for Reggio Calabria, that indicates Toronto has one locale and Thunder Bay (a much, much smaller city than Toronto) also has one locale. I don't agree with this equivalence at all, but the confusion arises from the aforementioned definitional problem. http://www.pinomasciari.it/?p=11376This older interview also offers a different take on who was actually in charge of the Siderno Group in the GTA back in 2011 despite the fact that the 2010 Il Crimine investigation named seven leaders who were considered to be on the camera di controllo, or commissione. I see what you mean. The following Italian article refers to Toronto as having a locale and same for Thunder Bay. It gets to be confusing. http://www.strill.it/citta/reggio/2...nternazionale-41-orinanze-di-custodia-2/Michele Prestipino also says that Carmine Verduci, resident in the York Region, considered the head of the "local" in Toronto.
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Anti, in the Sixth Family they said Pat and his cousin, Giuseppe “Pino†Avignone, had a lengthy meeting with Vito Rizzuto in Woodbridge in '97. Well, this relationship keeps being repeated in books and articles. I wish a more definitive account would come out. Even an article published today mentions that Avignone is the nephew of brothers Dominic Musitano Sr. and Tony Musitano. Drug trafficking: How the RCMP busted a Hamilton pharmacy https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9309442-drug-trafficking-how-the-rcmp-busted-a-hamilton-pharmacy
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https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...ngs-of-ndrangheta-organized-crime-group/Antimafia, This article defines cells as locale . Toronto court hears testimony on inner workings of ‘Ndrangheta organized crime group For the past week, Carmine Guido has testified in detail that he was deeply involved in fraud, drug trafficking and enforcement in a local ‘Ndrangheta cell under Giuseppe (Pino) Ursino, 64, of Bradford. In one intercepted conversation, Ursino told Guido: "Money's not everything."
The jury heard from Guido and Piccoli's report that there are two basic grades of membership: major and minor.
Piccoli said different ranks of the 'Ndrangheta range from "picciotto" at the low end of "The Societara Minore," or lower level group, to "Mammasantissima" and "Cavalairi di Cristo" in the "Societa Maggiore," or higher level group.
Cells are called "locali" or "locale" and must have at least 50 members, Piccoli saidIt also states: "Was he (Verduci) a member of 'Ndrangheta?," Streeter asked.
"Yes," Guido replied, adding that Verduci had been on the local board of control.The Italian article refers Verduci as the Head of the locale and Guido the informant refers to him as a member of the local board control.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thun...ia-links-faces-prison-in-italy-1.1335488Antimafia you are correct, here is another example in relation to locales and their quoting Gratteri: Nicola Gratteri, the chief anti-Mafia prosecutor in Calabria, said the ‘Ndrangheta is the only Mafia that is present on all continents.
"I think the foreign country where the ‘Ndrangheta is the most present is in Canada," he said.
"Mostly in Ontario, especially Toronto, and also in Montreal," Gratteri added. "We have found in our research there are at least nine ‘Ndrangheta localis just in Toronto. Which means there are hundreds of members, as each locali has at least 51 members."
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Any one know musitanos status? Is he still alive? And who is left of his crime family? Does he have enough man power to start sending retaliatory hits? Giuseppe Avignone, Tony Lavarone, Gino Colamartini, Nick Toriello, Angelo Kirkopoulos, Angelo Natale, I can't think of anyone else. There really is not much left of the family as members are too old, or just switched sides. Thanks for the info
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Yet another theory emerges as to why Musitano was shot. The mobster, the fraudster and the $110-million-a-month construction business: The story of a Hamilton company’s alleged scam
A company with ties to a local mobster and convicted fraudster is alleged to have perpetrated a multimillion-dollar scam that has resulted in tattered lives and lawsuits across the Hamilton areaLink: https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...ry-of-a-hamilton-company-s-alleged-scam/Web Archive link in case you hit a paywall: Web Archive linkThere will be many theories, the Musitano's seemed to have made many of enemies over the years. Ontario investigating allegations of contaminated soil dumping at Waterdown Garden Supplies property. Residents around the site have been threatened for speaking out, says neighbour Jim Whelan. “It’s gotten totally out of hand.â€https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...g-at-waterdown-garden-supplies-property/Web Archive link (in case you hit a paywall): Web Archive link------------------- Hard to believe that three decades later, Pat Musitano is still involved in the illegal dumping of tires.
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Yes him and Pasquale are cousins. The Avignones are also a 'ndrina, originally from Taurianova ( Reggio Calabria). And how exactly do you know that brothers Pat, Angelo, and Dominic Jr., as well as sister Carmelina, are Pino Avignone's first cousins? This is how Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituary reads near the beginning: "Dear father and father-in-law of Pino and Anna Avignone...." Link to my Evernote item is below, and the item has a PDF of the newspaper obituary. Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituaryUsually, Avignone has been variously described in books and newspaper articles as the adopted brother of Pat, Angelo, Dominic Jr., and Carmelina or as a stepbrother. Stephen Schneider, who wrote Iced: The Story of Organized Crime in Canada, went with the available conflicting information that was out there and decided that Avignone was Dominic Sr.'s nephew. Why does the obituary list Avignone as a surviving family member before the four aforementioned sons and daughter of Dominic Sr. and Carmelina Alampi? The obituary does not make reference to Pino as a stepson. Looking up surnames of 'ndrangheta members in Italy isn't going to help you figure out a puzzle that only people close to the Musitanos here in Ontario know the answer to; I certainly have no idea what the true relationship is between Avignone and the Musitanos. Here is another, if you google Project Scopa Hamilton, you will get as an image one of those police charts titled Project Scopa. They show Avignone as being the "stepbrother" of Pat Musitano.
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http://wiseguy.overblog.com/2019/05...-par-les-familles-de-la-cosa-nostra.htmlTHE ASSASSINATION OF A MAFIEUX CHIEF OF ONTARIO SPONSORED BY THE FAMILIES OF COSA NOSTRA? May 4, 2019 , Written by Xav Posted in #Bonanno, #Buffalo , #Rizzuto Pat Musitano Pat Musitano On April 25, Pat "Fat Pat" Musitano, leader of a mafia faction affiliated with the Ndranghetta based in Hamilton, Ontario, was murdered in front of his lawyer's office. Given the current tensions and especially in the Ontario region, or three mafia factions, Luppino, Papalia and Musitano are fighting over this territory, one could think that a war between faction is currently held for a single purpose , take power. But because of recent arrests in the Buffalo family, including Giuseppe Violi and his brother Domenico who went into exile in Hamilton after the murder of their father Paolo, the question everyone faces is "The families of Cosa Nostra can they be behind this assassination? ". The first, who would have refused an enthronement in the Bonanno family, is currently serving a sixteen-year prison sentence for trafficking in cocaine and fentanyl following Operation 'Otremens'. The second, freshly named Buffalo family's Underboss, was arrested in a joint operation by the FBI and the RCMP, the Canadian police, with charges that eventually led to the recording by a government informant. Soldier of the Bonanno family, Vincent Morena. The most likely scenario would be that families Luppino and Papalia, rivals of the Musitano family and affiliated with families of the Cosa Nostra, would be the cause of this assassination. A theory more than likely, but the order to perform Pat Musitano would have come from New York? of the Bonanno family? who has always had a pied-Ã -terre in Canada or the Buffalo family? Back to back In September 2017, Vincent Morena, who had decided to collaborate with the authorities after an arrest for cocaine trafficking, was inducted into the Bonanno family. That day, on Canadian territory, the Captain Damiano Zummo unintentionally initiated a government informant into the ranks of the Bonanno family. The ceremony itself was rather anecdotal, far from the rites of enthronement desired and desired by this criminal organization. But having become a Cosa Nostra Soldier, Vincent Morena had an easy access to other members that was much easier, the gangsters revealing themselves more easily to a member of their organization, than to a simple Associate. These recordings were of capital importance to the American and Canadian authorities, who quickly realized that Buffalo's family, whom she thought was dead, was still active and worse, had grown stronger. Quickly, Vincent Morena asked Domenico Violi about the current situation of the Musitano family or a few months ago, Angelo Musitano had been shot in front of his home. Domenico Violi certified that the murder of Angelo Musitano was a "message for Pat", to show him that now, his days were numbered. He added at the same time, "before Christmas," Pat Musitano would be "gone," implied, to be murdered. These recordings proved to the authorities that the Bonanno family had a rather special relationship with the family of Buffalo, now run by Joseph Todaro Jr. So even though he fiercely defends himself to be the Godfather of a Cosa Nostra family , it is clear that the Buffalo family has always had very close ties with the Luppino family and it is possible that it would have helped the latter to plant the last nails in the coffin of the Musitano family. The Bonanno family, meanwhile, has always had historic ties to Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or its former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta. always had historical ties with Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or his former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta. always had historical ties with Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or his former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta.
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http://wiseguy.overblog.com/2019/05...-par-les-familles-de-la-cosa-nostra.htmlTHE ASSASSINATION OF A MAFIEUX CHIEF OF ONTARIO SPONSORED BY THE FAMILIES OF COSA NOSTRA? May 4, 2019 , Written by Xav Posted in #Bonanno, #Buffalo , #Rizzuto Pat Musitano Pat Musitano On April 25, Pat "Fat Pat" Musitano, leader of a mafia faction affiliated with the Ndranghetta based in Hamilton, Ontario, was murdered in front of his lawyer's office. Given the current tensions and especially in the Ontario region, or three mafia factions, Luppino, Papalia and Musitano are fighting over this territory, one could think that a war between faction is currently held for a single purpose , take power. But because of recent arrests in the Buffalo family, including Giuseppe Violi and his brother Domenico who went into exile in Hamilton after the murder of their father Paolo, the question everyone faces is "The families of Cosa Nostra can they be behind this assassination? ". The first, who would have refused an enthronement in the Bonanno family, is currently serving a sixteen-year prison sentence for trafficking in cocaine and fentanyl following Operation 'Otremens'. The second, freshly named Buffalo family's Underboss, was arrested in a joint operation by the FBI and the RCMP, the Canadian police, with charges that eventually led to the recording by a government informant. Soldier of the Bonanno family, Vincent Morena. The most likely scenario would be that families Luppino and Papalia, rivals of the Musitano family and affiliated with families of the Cosa Nostra, would be the cause of this assassination. A theory more than likely, but the order to perform Pat Musitano would have come from New York? of the Bonanno family? who has always had a pied-Ã -terre in Canada or the Buffalo family? Back to back In September 2017, Vincent Morena, who had decided to collaborate with the authorities after an arrest for cocaine trafficking, was inducted into the Bonanno family. That day, on Canadian territory, the Captain Damiano Zummo unintentionally initiated a government informant into the ranks of the Bonanno family. The ceremony itself was rather anecdotal, far from the rites of enthronement desired and desired by this criminal organization. But having become a Cosa Nostra Soldier, Vincent Morena had an easy access to other members that was much easier, the gangsters revealing themselves more easily to a member of their organization, than to a simple Associate. These recordings were of capital importance to the American and Canadian authorities, who quickly realized that Buffalo's family, whom she thought was dead, was still active and worse, had grown stronger. Quickly, Vincent Morena asked Domenico Violi about the current situation of the Musitano family or a few months ago, Angelo Musitano had been shot in front of his home. Domenico Violi certified that the murder of Angelo Musitano was a "message for Pat", to show him that now, his days were numbered. He added at the same time, "before Christmas," Pat Musitano would be "gone," implied, to be murdered. These recordings proved to the authorities that the Bonanno family had a rather special relationship with the family of Buffalo, now run by Joseph Todaro Jr. So even though he fiercely defends himself to be the Godfather of a Cosa Nostra family , it is clear that the Buffalo family has always had very close ties with the Luppino family and it is possible that it would have helped the latter to plant the last nails in the coffin of the Musitano family. The Bonanno family, meanwhile, has always had historic ties to Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or its former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta. always had historical ties with Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or his former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta. always had historical ties with Canada, especially with the Rizzuto family, or his former Godfather, Vito Rizzuto was an inductee member of the Bonanno. Since, his influence on this territory has certainly diminished, but an enthronement of a member of the Bonanno family on Canadian soil could demonstrate later that the Bonanno want to contribute to the reconstruction of some business, supporting this time members of factions affiliated with Ndrangheta. He died?
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No, Pat is in stable condition and expected to survive.
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The Bonanno induction in Canada shows the NYC family is still involved over there. I agree with you but there’s still A LOT of people that will disagree with that statement. I think it’s crazy how many conflicting statements there are about the buffalo mob. Some people say they are calling shots in this war and others say that they don’t exist. I’d love to know what’s really going on but I’m sure we won’t know any time soon.
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No, Pat is in stable condition and expected to survive. I know he didn't die. But the bull shit I was responding to said he was "assassinated" and "murdered".
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https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...released-from-hospital-after-being-shot/Hamilton mobster Pat Musitano released from hospital after being shot The 51-year-old was shot multiple times in a Mississauga parking lot April 25 NEWS 01:26 PM by Nicole O'Reilly The Hamilton Spectator Hamilton mobster Pasquale (Pat) Musitano (left) has been released from hospital after being shot multiple times in an attempt on his life in Mississauga nearly two weeks ago. He’s pictured here in a Spectator file photo with his borther, Angelo. - Hamilton Spectator file photo Hamilton mobster Pasquale (Pat) Musitano has been released from hospital after being shot multiple times in an attempt on his life in Mississauga nearly two weeks ago. The 51-year-old was hit as many as four times, including to the head, around 7 a.m. on April 25 outside 120 Matheson Blvd. E., where he had just left a meeting with his lawyer Joseph Irving. The lawyer was acting for Musitano in connection with a paving and construction company allegedly involved in a multimillion-dollar scam. While Musitano was initially rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, Peel police said last week the 51-year-old man had improved and was expected to survive. The Spectator has learned he was released from hospital on Friday, May 3. Six things to know about the shooting of Hamilton mobster Pat Musitano In this file photo from Jan. 14, 1998, Pat Musitano, 30, right, leaves Provincial Court with his brother Angelo, 20, behind him| Spectator file photo Just like when his younger brother Angelo Musitano was gunned down in his Waterdown driveway May 2, 2017 , and when Pat Musitano's own St. Clair Boulevard home was sprayed with bullets weeks later, the family is not co-operating with police. It remains unclear what Musitano's recovery will look like and whether this shooting will spur more mafia violence amid a resurgence of mob shootings in the Hamilton area. Also unclear is what power he still holds in the criminal underworld and who remains loyal to the traditional organized crime family. Mob, Murder and the Hamilton Connection 14 Chesapeake Dr., where Angelo Musitano was gunned down May 2, 2017| Spectator file photo Since the shooting, there have been rumours and speculation swirling about what Musitano was up to in the days before his shooting, and what actually happened in the Mississauga parking lot. The Spectator has learned through police sources that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest when he was shot (as has been rumoured). At the shooting scene, Musitano's black GMC Denali was seen parked just outside the door of the law office, with a flat tire and pool of blood beside it. Sources tell the Spectator the vehicle was armoured. The vehicle was towed for forensic examination. And while Pat Musitano may have been taking more precautions since his brother's murder, he was not in hiding, as some have suggested, including in wiretap conversations recorded as part of the prosecution against Domenico (Dom) Violi and Giuseppe (Joey) Violi. Musitano was living in Hamilton, but whether he will continue to after being shot is not clear. Here's how a wiretap recorded a conversation talking about getting rid of Pat Musitano In this photo from Dec. 1, 1998, a Hamilton Wentworth Regional Police special constable opens the back of the paddy wagon for Pasquale (Pat) Musitano | XSpectator file photo That Pat Musitano was shot was not surprising to mafia watchers, given the ongoing violence and conversations captured on the Violi wiretaps where getting rid of Musitano was said to be impending. Since Angelo Musitano's death, there have been several other mafia-related murders and crimes in Hamilton, including the shooting deaths of Albert Iavarone and Cece Luppino. Last week, police revealed that a home invasion in April 2018 was actually an attempted murder at the home of mobster Natale Luppino. All three killed were seen as less powerful men whose murders were, perhaps, meant to send a message to the more commanding criminals in their families. Angelo Musitano had reportedly found God and was raising a young family. Albert Iavarone was the younger brother of Tony Iavarone. And Cece Luppino, son of mobster Rocco Luppino, had, at least in 2015, rejected being "made." No one has been charged in the attempt on Pat Musitano's life or in the murders of Iavarone and Luppino. However, three face first degree murder charges in the shooting death of Angelo Musitano and another botched mob hit in Vaughan that saw innocent bystander Mila Barberi killed. Jabril Abdalla, who is accused of taking part in the sophisticated surveillance leading up to the murders, is the only man behind bars. He's seeking bail. His co-accused, Michael Cudmore of Hamilton (the alleged gunman) and Daniel Tomassetti of Ancaster, fled to Mexico and are wanted on international warrants. The attempt on Pat Musitano's life came a day after the funeral for his uncle Tony Musitano, a former Hamilton mobster who said he retired and died of natural causes at 72. The Spectator and other media has reported Pat was not seen at the funeral, however, a police source says it's now believed he was there. noreilly@thespec.com 905-526-3199 | @NicoleatTheSpec noreilly@thespec.com 905-526-3199 | @NicoleatTheSpec
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If it were me, I’d send a messenger to the other side telling them that I’m stepping down and that they can have my rackets, and that I wouldn’t retaliate. Then, move away from Ontario.
But, that’s just me if I was actually trying to walk away from the life and not get clipped. To his enemies, it’s probably not worth hitting a guy who’s walking away without a fight.
But, with these Italians in Canada they’re on some old school shit, like it’s Sicily in the 80’s or New York in the 70s... everyone is getting clipped just to be safe.
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Not sure where he should go and to be honest it looks good on him that he hiding like a rat now. His brother Ang and him and some if their cousins are all assholes, especially when they were younger always going out looking to start shit and then starting you know who I am freaking bullies. Where as the Luppino family Cece and other cousins were gentleman never starting shit and using their name to intimidate. As for the Papalias either then John because he was a mean prick but Rocco was good and Frank was a super.nice guy. I went to school with one of Frank's grandkids what a good family. So all in all the Musitano family is getting what they deserve being bullied for a change. Great info Scalish!
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If it were me, I’d send a messenger to the other side telling them that I’m stepping down and that they can have my rackets, and that I wouldn’t retaliate. Then, move away from Ontario.
But, that’s just me if I was actually trying to walk away from the life and not get clipped. To his enemies, it’s probably not worth hitting a guy who’s walking away without a fight.
But, with these Italians in Canada they’re on some old school shit, like it’s Sicily in the 80’s or New York in the 70s... everyone is getting clipped just to be safe. But they don't think like we do (meaning outsiders, non "family" members etc.). These folks killed his brother and have went after him more than once now even shooting up his house with his family inside. If that doesn't drive you to revenge then you're for sure dead like someone mentioned above about Pat not even trying to retaliate with this. If he's going to cower and hide then he might as well flip, otherwise he's a dead man walking if he doesn't even try to fight back.
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^^^^ UPDATE: Motor Vehicle Collision on St. Clair Boulevard http://hamiltonpolice.on.ca/news/update-motor-vehicle-collision-on-st-clair-boulevard/CASE NUMBER 19-684069 Hamilton, Ontario, 23 July 2019 As reported yesterday, a motor vehicle collision between a Buick Lacrosse and Mercedes C300 occurred around 4:30 p.m. on St. Clair Boulevard between Cumberland Avenue and Delaware Avenue. The 76-year-old driver of the Buick was transported to hospital by ambulance with minor injuries. The occupants of the Mercedes were seen fleeing on foot, northbound on St. Clair and then westbound on Delaware. A third male, who was either in the Mercedes or who ran from the area of 206 St. Clair, also fled northbound. The investigation was initially handled by the Division 10 Criminal Investigation Branch but has since been taken over by members of the Major Crime Unit and Intelligence Unit. This was due to the injured male parking in the driveway of Pat Musitano at the time when he appeared to have been spooked by an observation. This caused the Buick to leave the driveway suddenly, in a dangerous manner and resulted in it colliding head-on with the southbound Mercedes. The driver of the Buick has not cooperated with the investigators. The three males connected to the Mercedes are described as black and between 25 to 30-years.-of-age. Two are described as being approximately 6 feet tall, with an athletic build and one was initially wearing a mask. The other male was carrying a bag that was retrieved from the Mercedes. The third male was described as being shorter and stockier than the other two. Video surveillance from the area shows the males removing their initial clothing at various times as they made their way eventually to the area of Holton Avenue and King Street East. The Mercedes was from the Montreal area. A male identifying himself as the owner of the Mercedes later contacted police to report the accident. The male owner eventually attended Central Police Station around 2.40 a.m. this morning at which time he was arrested for the Failing to Remain at the Scene of an Accident and as a result of ongoing investigations involving the Musitano Family, Conspiracy to Commit Murder. He was interviewed for several hours and remained uncooperative. He was eventually released unconditionally as currently there is insufficient evidence to proceed with criminal charges. Police continue to investigate the incident and the search for further video surveillance in the expanded area is ongoing. If you have any information that you believe could assist Police with the investigation into this case you are asked to contact Detective Sergeant Peter Thom by calling 905-546-2458.
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It won't be too long before we hear more about the Montreal connection. Wonder who’s sending these guys
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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...s-criminels-du-quebec-et-de-lontario.phpA new incident earlier this week in Hamilton, a suburb of Toronto, reinforces the hypothesis of some collaboration between Ontario and Quebec mafia clans. At approximately 4:30 pm Monday, a Mercedes carrying three individuals circulated on St. Clair Boulevard, in front of Pat Musitano's residence, a prominent Ontario Mafia clan leader - formerly linked to the Sicilians - who escaped a spectacular murder attempt last April. Presumably worried about the passing of this suspicious vehicle, a 76-year-old man, who was in a Buick car parked in the entrance to Mr. Musitano's residence, pressed the accelerator and hit. As a result of the impact, the three occupants of the Mercedes, one of whom was wearing a mask, fled on foot while removing clothes, leaving their vehicle behind. The septuagenarian who was driving the Buick was slightly injured. He refused to collaborate with the investigators. Later, an individual describing himself as the owner of the Mercedes introduced himself to the police. He was arrested and charged with conspiracy for murder and leaving the scene of an accident. We do not know for the moment the identity of the man who is 25 years old, lives in the Saint-Hubert borough in Longueuil and has no criminal record in Quebec. The young man was not very cooperative and was released under conditions, pending further proceedings. It has also been established that the Mercedes vehicle comes from the Saint-Hubert borough. The Hamilton police are investigating this case, which appears to show links or, at the very least, a new exchange of services between criminal groups in Ontario and Quebec. Québec labor force This is at least the fourth event in two years in which an Ontario criminal is targeted and where the suspects have a connection with Quebec. The police observed suspects aboard a car registered in Quebec before Angelo Musitano, brother of Pat, was murdered on May 2, 2017. On January 30, the nephew of former Montreal Mafia boss Paolo Violi, Cece Luppino, was murdered at his home in Hamilton by a suspect whom the police believe to be a Quebecker. In recent months, four Montrealers have been arrested and charged with the murder of Michael Deabaitua-Schulde, a 32-year-old Hells Angel who was killed on March 11 when he was leaving a Mississauga training room. A source told La Presse that the use of Quebeckers for settling accounts in Ontario could mean a rapprochement between criminal groups of the two provinces and aim to confuse the tracks by using the labor of a province. other province. Several murders or attempted murders have occurred recently in organized crime in Ontario. Sources mention a power struggle between mafia clans and a conflict in the sports betting world. Towards new tensions? The large-scale Sindicato operation last week by York police against the Figliomeni clan, one of the largest in Ontario, could cause further tension. Hamilton police say the three black suspects on board the Mercedes were hit in front of Pat Musitano's residence on Monday, aged between 25 and 30 years. Two of them are about 6 feet tall and are described as having an athletic body.
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So let me get this straight pat has a 76 year old bodyguard/driver lol this old dude must be a savage He got the job done.......... Lmao yes he did
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Fall of the House of Musitano (Dive Bar) w/ James Dubro Murder Was The Case Organized crime expert and author James Dubro unveils the bloody history belying a recent rash of mafia assassinations and attempted murders in the Greater Toronto/Hamilton area. Replete with tales of bllundering hitmen and crumbling criminal dynasties. https://podcasts.apple.com/bz/podca...james-dubro/id1327969221?i=1000456961187
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The guy giving the interview seems to know his stuff, never knew Pasquale was so hated. I have heard from multiple people that people where considering murdering Angelo Musitano in Spring 2014 Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
All the business as of 1931ish no matter where you’re from was considered LCN, wasn’t really until late 50’s that the Woodbridge really separated itself as a quasi independent from LCN, Ndrangheta which exist today
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Awesome that confirms some stuff, really cool Paul Kelly aka Paola Vaccarelli was one of the guys that survived to be around when LCN 5 Families was finalized and he was from Naples, hooked up with the Cammora big time prior to 1931
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Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
Cotroni and Violi were part of cosa nostra, but also rooted in the 'ndrangheta like Angelo Musitano, aka "Beast of Delianova". There has never been any evidence that Nicodemo Cotrone -- father of Vincenzo (Vic), Giuseppe (Pep), Frank Sr. (Santos), et al. -- was part of the Picciotteria or l'Onorata società , let alone had 'ndrangheta roots. Vic Cotroni most definitely came into contact with 'ndrangheta members after being inducted into the American La Cosa Nostra in the 1950s -- who knows whether he had contact before then? -- and he even permitted a small group of 'ndranghetisti in Montreal to conduct their meetings in at least one of his establishments. One of Pep Cotroni's drivers, Domenico Torrente, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member affiliated with the Siderno Group in Toronto, but this doesn't mean Pep was a member of the 'ndrangheta or had 'ndrangheta roots. If Cotrones had early and then enduring influence in the locale or 'ndrina in Mammola, the name of a Cotrone clan would have appeared in print at some point over the last seven decades, let's say, in Italian-language newspaper articles, books, anti-ndrangheta investigations, arrest warrants, etc. But such a clan has not, whereas the Callà clan and Macrì clan have. Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. One of the younger individuals charged in Project Colisée in November 2006 was likely a member of the small 'ndrangheta group in Quebec that appears to have roots in the province going back to the 1960s. But to no one's surprise, he was working in concert with people considered to be in the orbit of the Montreal Mafia. Domenico Musitano Sr.'s uncle Angelo, the so-called Beast of Delianuova, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member. There seems to be evidence that Musitano Sr. and brother Tony were also 'ndrangheta members, but we don't have evidence that Musitano Sr.'s sons -- Pat, the murdered Angelo, and Domenico Jr. -- are/were members of this secret society.
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Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
Cotroni and Violi were part of cosa nostra, but also rooted in the 'ndrangheta like Angelo Musitano, aka "Beast of Delianova". There has never been any evidence that Nicodemo Cotrone -- father of Vincenzo (Vic), Giuseppe (Pep), Frank Sr. (Santos), et al. -- was part of the Picciotteria or l'Onorata società , let alone had 'ndrangheta roots. Vic Cotroni most definitely came into contact with 'ndrangheta members after being inducted into the American La Cosa Nostra in the 1950s -- who knows whether he had contact before then? -- and he even permitted a small group of 'ndranghetisti in Montreal to conduct their meetings in at least one of his establishments. One of Pep Cotroni's drivers, Domenico Torrente, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member affiliated with the Siderno Group in Toronto, but this doesn't mean Pep was a member of the 'ndrangheta or had 'ndrangheta roots. If Cotrones had early and then enduring influence in the locale or 'ndrina in Mammola, the name of a Cotrone clan would have appeared in print at some point over the last seven decades, let's say, in Italian-language newspaper articles, books, anti-ndrangheta investigations, arrest warrants, etc. But such a clan has not, whereas the Callà clan and Macrì clan have. Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. One of the younger individuals charged in Project Colisée in November 2006 was likely a member of the small 'ndrangheta group in Quebec that appears to have roots in the province going back to the 1960s. But to no one's surprise, he was working in concert with people considered to be in the orbit of the Montreal Mafia. Domenico Musitano Sr.'s uncle Angelo, the so-called Beast of Delianuova, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member. There seems to be evidence that Musitano Sr. and brother Tony were also 'ndrangheta members, but we don't have evidence that Musitano Sr.'s sons -- Pat, the murdered Angelo, and Domenico Jr. -- are/were members of this secret society. Thanks for taking the time to inform us, it's true that the Cotroni brothers seem to have had very few ties to Calabria in the early years, but later they developed ties to both sicilian and calabrian clans like Lo Presti, Mazzaferro, Aquino, Inzerillo, Gambino, Zito, Tripodo.
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I agree the information is top notch, thanks. Basically I feel from observations and talk that if you’re/were south Italian, more than likely you had a home grown system for these businesses and a shared reason to participate. In foreign lands whatever home grown system (ie. Cosa Nostra, Cammora. Ndrangheta etc) you originally got trained in you put it aside, partially to become LCN at the time, and only North America, the rest of the planet you maintained the home grown system in it’s totality.
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[quote=MolochioInduced] Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. In bloodbrothers Nicaso did write that Violi's family in Sinopoli is one of the families that have intermarried into the Alvaro clan.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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This is awesome, learned some new stuff, especially about the Iavarone being made potentially out of LA, didn’t the recent Gambino/Inzerillo bust have guys grabbed in LA. This could be a stimulant, to the war, I really am not that up to date on current Hamilton families. But with a LCN button and the new HA connects in Montreal, Iavarone could be at the heart of all the action.
Over, the holidays, I was able to get this info about some older stuff, that may be able to be confirmed on hear. Apparently, in Sicily they have what is called the Brotherhood/Sisterhood of the Snake, something to do with Medusa, which is part of the Sicilian Flag.
That along with CN, it crossed the Atlantic as well. Tony Papalia and others including Rocco Perri were made members in Hamilton at a club on Bay and Barton Street. Also, the original Angelo Musitano was a member made over in Calabria, by the same type of Sigs.
This somehow enabled John Papalia, very high level contacts with Sicilians, as a Calabrese. That on Railway, John Papalia had a nickname of Pepino, in reference to Pepino Bonnano. Basically, he was selected at a young age, the whole Honor & Respect which is the only real premise for all of the sacred criminal societies.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That being combined with the Musitano and Papalia coming from the same part of Calabria, both Antonio and Maria Rosa being from proper bloodlines within the Ndrangheta, also benefited Hamilton.
Jack Luppino arrived a little latter, but as high level member of Ndragheta, helped creates the board of control in Woodbridge. That it was the death of Dominick Musitano in 95, and how his business was influenced/influencing the Biker War in Quebec, that ultimately got John Papalia whacked.
Combine this with the tale Rizzuto, and that’s the current state of business in Canada 🇨🇦
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Yes of course, Buffalo as well!!!
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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I wouldn’t know, whether they still exist in Hamilton or not, you could be100% correct. The Papalia is I believe in Milan, Calabria? and Australia.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Nice, for sure Papalia was no Rizzuto in terms of international business and Rizzuto never got the traction in Ontario that Papalia did. That’s a great point Papalia not being around anymore, almost erases the revenge on Musitano being Papalia . I never thought of that until now.
So, is Buffalo still the influence in Hamilton? How does the fact that Hamilton is now a HA city opposed to Outlaw city when Papalia controlled Ontario?
I may be wrong but Papalia was called before US Congress to testify, don’t know if it was because of his connections in the US, the French Connection, or the circles of people he was with Galante, which grew into Pizza Connection. I agree, I’m assume they would have to run it by Magaddino in Buffalo. I pretty sure he even worked with Valachi before his decided to testify before Congress.
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