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How I Infiltrated One of L.A.’s Most Vicious MC's #956019
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This may be a dumb question but the article mentions a club and the agent is talking to the chapter president and the international sergeant of arms.... which from my limited knowledge (Sons of Anarchy) would be third in command behind the president and VP....

Assuming the chapter President isn’t also the international president who has more power? The chapter president or the member who is the international sergeant of arms...

Seems like that could creat some internal conflicts.

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They were talking about making a movie about this a decade ago. Maybe they just worked the story into an S.O.A. or Mayans M.C. storyline.


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The history channel had two seasons on some guy who infiltrated two clubs....

In the second one his handler was also undercover and named Koz. Wonder if it’s the same story.

But if anyone can answer my question it would be appreciated...

Say a club with ten chapters... each has pres, vp and sergeant of arms.... then they have national or international pres, vp and sergeant of arms.....

Obv the top president would be a president of his chapter but the national/international VP and sergeant of arms if they are in a chapter without top president are they more powerful then the chapter president?

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Originally Posted by Homers77
The history channel had two seasons on some guy who infiltrated two clubs....

In the second one his handler was also undercover and named Koz. Wonder if it’s the same story.



That was the story of another ATF informant who infiltrated the Vagos around 2005. But indeed his handler was based on this guy.

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Originally Posted by Homers77
This may be a dumb question but the article mentions a club and the agent is talking to the chapter president and the international sergeant of arms.... which from my limited knowledge (Sons of Anarchy) would be third in command behind the president and VP....

Assuming the chapter President isn’t also the international president who has more power? The chapter president or the member who is the international sergeant of arms...

Seems like that could creat some internal conflicts.


International Serg is above chapter prez.


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Re: How I Infiltrated One of L.A.’s Most Vicious MC's [Re: Hollander] #956035
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I wonder why they hardly ever infiltrate WOS , Outcast, or Sin City Deciples? It be interesting to know what's going on with them.


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I think the other guy was Charles Ashley Wyatt. His book sucks and he’s probably a sociopath.

Koz is mentioned in a few books. Maybe he’s finally writing his own?

I think the president he’s calling whitey was actually terry the tramp who was eventually kicked out for stealing from the club to fuel his gambling habit?

There is a book on him but it doesn’t sound very good and I really like the writer bandit ball.

IMHO the best narc biker book is under and alone about the mongols L.A. infiltration.

There is some more about koz over at the agingrebel web page if anyone is interested...

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
They were talking about making a movie about this a decade ago. Maybe they just worked the story into an S.O.A. or Mayans M.C. storyline.


The story was that Mel Gibson or some company he was involved in bought the rights but I thought that was actually for the billy queen mongols book under and alone. I may be wrong. If I was an actor I’d want to be red dog.

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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
I wonder why they hardly ever infiltrate WOS , Outcast, or Sin City Deciples? It be interesting to know what's going on with them.


Maybe they don’t have any black atf guys that ride? If any of those clubs are 100% non white, I can’t remember?

I read last year one of those black clubs had a clubhouse get raided and damn near everybody had warrants. It was an astonishingly high number of guys even for an outlaw club. I guess they should be happy about being under the radar.

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I wonder why they hardly ever infiltrate WOS , Outcast, or Sin City Deciples? It be interesting to know what's going on with them.


Maybe they don’t have any black atf guys that ride? If any of those clubs are 100% non white, I can’t remember?

I read last year one of those black clubs had a clubhouse get raided and damn near everybody had warrants. It was an astonishingly high number of guys even for an outlaw club. I guess they should be happy about being under the radar.



Only the Outcast is 100% non white, the others are mixed but majority black.


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