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Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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by the legal standard, not my opinion Furio, he was not boss and was convicted as boss, so they are just punishing him for being a boss and murderer .but they are the law and should not base their opinion or though of other crimes.law is law..except when they want to usurp it Yes Bronx,law is law and for this Persico should die in prison;even on a wheelchair he was a simbol for the colombos while if the feds continue to keep him in jail give the message to all the criminals that if you break the law you will pay until the end and anyway persico for sure now stay in a medical detector center. Bronx if persico wasnt the colombo boss who was the real boss? At the time of the Carmine Galante hit, it's thought by many that Thomas DiBella was still the boss of the family at this point. There's quite a bit of evidence to support that. Persico probably did not assume the boss mantle until his release from prison (I can't remember if that was later in 1979 or in 1980). Persico's lawyers have gathered a lot of evidence, straight from the FBI itself, that backs up that assertion. Prior to this, the theory was that Persico assumed the boss mantle sometime in the mid-1970s whilst in prison, and DiBella was his acting boss as opposed to official.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Joey Gallo also bragged that he and Carmine Persico were part of the five-man hit team involved in the Anastasia slaying, according to Selwyn Raab. Nevertheless, I'm just recounting what Carmine's attorneys are saying. I, for one, have no clue whether Carmine Persico was the boss of the Colombo crime family following the '73 assassination of Joe Colombo or whether it was Thomas DiBella, and I imagine the truth lies somewhere in between.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit. Yeah,plus Persico ordered kill a prosecutor because he thinks he disrespected him (then his idiot killers killed the father of the prosecutor and were in turn killed, so from a murder there was 3 murders, but is an another story) and as the boss of the smallest NY family instead of understanding that his claim to continue to boss even from prison would have led to a war that could have disintegrated his family prefered to continue on that road and in 1993 the family members dropped to 70/80 with the top ranking members that died or flipped. Only for this Persico deserve to die in prison.First off Furio, if you look at what I pointed out, copkillers and terrorists get paroled in America, and when they are younger than Persico. Second,the case you mention is muddy, Aronwald was a judge who ruled on parking tickets' and there is no indication Persico was in on it. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/...-roles-in-murders-including-judge-s.html
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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The criteria used to identify gang members as terrorists in many instances could also be used to identify mobsters as terrorists. I don't see gangs as political, terrorists have a political agenda or purposely target innocent people for mass killings, but we are getting off topic. They get let out, whatever they are called. Mobsters get out, too. Whether it's mobsters or gang members, I think it's more a case of individual discretion among judges than any sort of trend. The Snake just ran out of luck. Can't find a friendly judge.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit. Yeah,plus Persico ordered kill a prosecutor because he thinks he disrespected him (then his idiot killers killed the father of the prosecutor and were in turn killed, so from a murder there was 3 murders, but is an another story) and as the boss of the smallest NY family instead of understanding that his claim to continue to boss even from prison would have led to a war that could have disintegrated his family prefered to continue on that road and in 1993 the family members dropped to 70/80 with the top ranking members that died or flipped. Only for this Persico deserve to die in prison.First off Furio, if you look at what I pointed out, copkillers and terrorists get paroled in America, and when they are younger than Persico. Second,the case you mention is muddy, Aronwald was a judge who ruled on parking tickets' and there is no indication Persico was in on it. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/...-roles-in-murders-including-judge-s.htmlYes Jace,but made few examples of copkillers and terrorists that get paroled;and even in this cases, 1)Persico was the boss of a crime family; 2)Why cacace shoulkd say that persico ordered him to kill Aronwald when was more simple to say that he read a name on a paper? 3) If was the mafia in the 1980s,so in the future will be another crime groups leaders to send in prison for give a signal,that the LE is more powerful than the criminal groups.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Jace, but why do you think Persico wasn't involved in Aronwald's murder? Do you think Cacace ordered it on his own? I don't know if he was or not, I was going by what the story I put up had in it. Aronwald was a traffic court judge who dealt in parking tickets, so his being a judge had nothing to do with him getting killed. It' irrelevant anyway, Persia was not convicted of it, and many have done worse and gotten paroled, as I pointed out but a few choose to ignore. If cop killers and terrorists and cult murderers get paroled when they are younger and way healthier than Perscio, he deserves to get out too. What's not to understand. Persico "thinked" that Aronwald offended him and cosa nostra that why he ordered to kill him.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Jace, but why do you think Persico wasn't involved in Aronwald's murder? Do you think Cacace ordered it on his own? I don't know if he was or not, I was going by what the story I put up had in it. Aronwald was a traffic court judge who dealt in parking tickets, so his being a judge had nothing to do with him getting killed. It' irrelevant anyway, Persia was not convicted of it, and many have done worse and gotten paroled, as I pointed out but a few choose to ignore. If cop killers and terrorists and cult murderers get paroled when they are younger and way healthier than Perscio, he deserves to get out too. What's not to understand. https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/nyregion/victim-s-son-ex-prosecutor-of-the-mafia.htmlWilliam I. Aronwald, the son of the slain Parking Violations Bureau hearing officer, George M. Aronwald, earned a reputation as an aggressive prosecutor and a successful defense lawyer. Both careers enveloped the son in stormy controversies over the last 20 years. As a state and Federal prosecutor in Manhattan in the 1970's, William Aronwald specialized in organized-crime cases and twice convicted one of the Mafia's top bosses in New York City, Aniello Dellacroce. Because of his investigations of Mr. Dellacroce, Mr. Aronwald was called as a prosecution witness in the recent racketeering trial of John Gotti to testify about the code of silence in the Gambino crime family. Mr. Gotti, who the authorities say now heads the Gambino group, was acquitted on March 13 of charges that he ran ''a crew'' for Mr. Dellacroce before he died in 1985. The police said yesterday that were considering the possibility that George Aronwald may have been killed to avenge some cases his son had handled as a prosecutor or defense lawyer. Aronwald sr was killed because his killers (the carnini brothers) read his name on a paper and killed the wrong man,the other families was angry with Persico and ordered him to kill the Carnini brothers and so they was whacked.When the 5 families bosses thinked to kill Giuliani only Persico and Gotti voted yes,so Persico can easly think to kill a prosecutor,even if is forbidden by american cosa nostra rules.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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From the New York Times story of 2004 that I posted:
Yesterday, an assistant United States attorney, Patricia E. Notopoulos, said the order was that ''people were to be killed because of the manner in which they engaged in certain prosecutions.'' William Aronwald, however, has said he knew of no case he had handled in which his actions might have offended Mr. Persico.
I't has also been unclear why the hit men focused on the elder Mr. Aronwald, a judge who ruled on city parking tickets. They hit the "wrong" Aronwald, they were supposed to kill the prosecutor, but killed his father, it's said in the same article from your link. However, it's indeed unclear what exactly had the prosecutor done to anger Persico. But the fact remains: Aronwald was targeted, so there must have been a reason.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Persico "thinked" that Aronwald offended him and cosa nostra that why he ordered to kill him. Furio, I'm not trying to be an ass, but use "thought" next time. There is no such word in our vocabulary. Just helping out English is not his first language. Give the guy a break will ya. We know what he meant.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Aronwald was killed, no one knows if Persico gave his okay for it. Carace may have done it on his own I am trying to find and old story saying that Joe Gallo was the target and they killed Aronwald by mistake, thinking he was Gallo. We now know that one was way off. What joe gallo ? Crazy Joe died in 1972.And don't think that Joseph N.Gallo the gambino consigliere could be the target. Joe N. Gallo. He lived on that block or maybe one block away. The newspapers were saying that law enforcement sources said that Joe N, Gallo was the target, and compared his appearence to Aronwalds, trying to say it was a case of mistaken identity. They were making the claim that Gallo was the intended target.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Aronwald was killed, no one knows if Persico gave his okay for it. Carace may have done it on his own I am trying to find and old story saying that Joe Gallo was the target and they killed Aronwald by mistake, thinking he was Gallo. We now know that one was way off. What joe gallo ? Crazy Joe died in 1972.And don't think that Joseph N.Gallo the gambino consigliere could be the target. Joe N. Gallo. He lived on that block or maybe one block away. The newspapers were saying that law enforcement sources said that Joe N, Gallo was the target, and compared his appearence to Aronwalds, trying to say it was a case of mistaken identity. They were making the claim that Gallo was the intended target. Mobster: "We killed the wrong person;the real target was Joe Gallo". Judge:"Joseph N. Gallo? Mobster:Yes Judge:"Why for god you wanted to kill the Gambino consigliere?" Mobster:"....."
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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say you kill you wife mom or sister in massachusetts or every state you go to in usa or atleast the northeast your found guilty you leave prison in a body bag or carmine persico case i guess he should get out because they basically admitted he wasnt responicble for carmine galantes killing and us the board no he didnt have a say that was the bonananno family cleaning house but hes guilty of like 30 other murders but they didnt try him for them which they should Yeah Pmac they are all fucken guiltily of murder but guys have been let out on that case and the Feds fucked up and it’s out and still with the Persico family paying millions to attorneys it still can not be changed. He was old when put away and now he is old as old he is not going back on the streets , if you let one out when you are found wrong then you have to let others out . This is personal because of him saying to kill a public official well he did not do it.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. Oh please, he deserves a release, boss or not. Not a boss is most likely, he has not been a real boss since he went to prison. In the condition he is in now, he can't function. He should have been sent home 3 or 4 years ago.
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. Exactly “ if you do for one you have to do for others , now who says he is a boss of the family? The Feds ! There is not enough going on these days that they need him to be the boss , and when there was he was in a prison that records everything said no way he was the boss ....now back in the day when they have boat loads or helicopter loads of cash being dropped off is a different story . If you guys only knew how far the money game has fallen for the families, I would love to tell you what the Persico has done to remain from being bankrupt ! There was and has been others running that family since Orena no doubt about it and they are in the joint now also ..... The guy is old and almost out of it he is not involved any way other then maybe a visit and reminiscing about the old days .... What they put him away for has been proven that he was not boss then this all has to do with someone saying he was putting a hit on a public official and 90% of these officials are crooks . Look if you do the crime you do the time we all know this and so do they but Carmine is not well and is not the boss of that family other then Feds saying it ......all the research that many if you do you must know that he is not boss.... Do you think for one minute that there is enough going on that he has lawyers and others flying in and out of the prison? They can barely maintain financially what they have ! Trust me I can tell you what they have lost since the days when he was boss .....and it is stuff and houses the Carmine and Joyce loved ! What they did to there homes outside of the city is unbelievable . He is done and has been done . I know in name but that’s all bull , he knows hardly anything, all him boys are away ....do you really think he is running that family? I know all his relatives and trust me they are not running back and forth to the prison to update and bring orders back .....it’s done .
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. Oh please, he deserves a release, boss or not. Not a boss is most likely, he has not been a real boss since he went to prison. In the condition he is in now, he can't function. He should have been sent home 3 or 4 years ago. He has clearly been a "real boss" since he went to prison. I say that because he directed and orchestrated a war for control of the family for crying out loud.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. I didn't say he deserved it or not so slow your roll
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Hi,
What about Tony Aiello he is a non violent offender also a first time offender who has been locked up over 30 years.
There is also one more issue why if the government offers you a plea and you do not take it why if you go to trial you get more than what was offered. Now if you do plea you can get a 3 point for taken responsibility but if you go to trial you do not have to get that but if you are offered 15 years to plea how on earth can the government be allowed to give you life if you go to trial.
I am from RI but I know a lot of these men.
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Is there any insurmountable evidence that your local AB or incarcerated biker big shot gets treated that much better in prison than your local big shot black drug trafficker or Hispanic gang shot caller?
As far as I know, none of them are close to having it as good in the can as a mafia boss. It's more about stature than it is about race.
Furthermore, why are we having this race-based discussion? As far as I know this thread didn't have anything to do with race, until a certain someone brought it up. Again. And a few of us got baited. Again. We should know better by now. If AB members and bikers are treated as bad as black inmates, it only goes to prove how low whites have to sink to be treated as bad as blacks. White criminals who look the part of being able to blend with authorities and politicians are treated with privilege. I know of no black prisoner who has ever enjoyed anything close to such privilege. Compassionate releases or pardons? Sure. But not systematically privileged treatment, like mobsters get. I introduced race into the discussion because I think there's more than enough documentation and history to show that racism plays a large role in our criminal justice system and how inmates are treated. Your accusations of trolling must be out of frustration that you're attempting to answer the questions I've proposed without having the answers, so you're resorting to personal attacks to save face. You do have the option of simply not replying if you don't have an answer, which is something you seem to take into account at the end of your comment.
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You still didn't answer the question.
Is there any minority prisoners in the states, or even abroad in majority white countries, that are treated as well white mobsters? Some brought up the argument that black prisoners with money are treated as good as the mobsters, and I've seen no evidence of it, nor one example provided yet.
I actually DID admit that I do echo the sentiment - and I'm merely making assumptions here, I'm European and I've got no first hand experience with the American prison life - that mobsters have it better than any other criminal in prison, INCLUDING black prisoners. Or did you just willfully skip that part? If AB members and bikers are treated as bad as black inmates, it only goes to prove how low whites have to sink to be treated as bad as blacks. White criminals who look the part of being able to blend with authorities and politicians are treated with privilege. I know of no black prisoner who has ever enjoyed anything close to such privilege. Compassionate releases or pardons? Sure. But not systematically privileged treatment, like mobsters get.
"who look the part of being able to blend with authorities and politicians are treated with privilege" So, stature. Not race. Because white criminals who don't look said part aren't treated with privilege. You got any clear evidence where a upper tier white trash prison gang member enjoyed more privileges than an upper tier black prison gang member? Like hard evidence? Sources? Articles? Please show me, as well as the rest of the board. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm not afraid to admit the error of my ways. I don't claim to be "in the know"; you act like you are. Back it up. Otherwise I'm left here thinking that you're just an extremely well spoken individual who is very good at making it seem like he knows what he's talking about while actually knowing jack shit about shit. I'm dying to be proven wrong about you here, Oak. I introduced race into the discussion because I think there's more than enough documentation and history to show that racism plays a large role in our criminal justice system and how inmates are treated.
Well according to you racism plays a role in every American topic. And at base, you're probably right. BUT you must've known - seeing the not so distant history of the board - that bringing up a topic like this, while it was not directly called for, would get you some semi-heated replies. Which in turn would create another opportunity for you to relive your high school debate class days. You're a smart guy, Oak. I'm refusing to believe that you don't know what's about to go down when you bring up a topic like this. Which would also trigger a politically-flavored discussion. If I remember correctly, the mods politely asked us not to trigger these kind of discussions. Most of us have no problems complying to this, but it seems to be a tougher task for you. Your accusations of trolling must be out of frustration that you're attempting to answer the questions I've proposed without having the answers, so you're resorting to personal attacks to save face. You do have the option of simply not replying if you don't have an answer, which is something you seem to take into account at the end of your comment.
If I accused you of "trolling", I shouldn't have done so. My bad. Though I can't help to have the feeling that you low-key enjoy being disruptive. Again, this is a feeling I have, which is subjective and doesn't mean I'm objectively correct about this. Others are free to correct me if I'm wrong. On the other hand, I don't feel like I "owe" you an answer since I'm not sure if your questions were actually directed at me (you didn't quote me as far as I can tell). Again, I'm not in the know. I'm not American and I've got zero personal experience with the American prison system. I can only assume things about a topic like this. I'm here to learn and when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm wrong about you, Oak, I apologize. If I accused you of trolling, when you didn't mean to "bait" anyone, it was uncalled for. If I'm right about my current feeling...well, I guess there isn't much I - nor anybody else - can do about this because as far as I can tell you're not breaking any major rules. That doesn't mean that, in this regard, you're the most pleasant person to deal with though.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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there is a documented history of white mobsters getting preferential treatment in prison, and they're not labeled "rats" because of it. The preferential treatment is part of the mobster status, not an affront to it. Mobsters have boasted of it.
Didn't I admit this? See, Oak, we are actually ON THE SAME PAGE when it comes to this. Mobsters DO have it better than any other criminal - at least that's the way I feel about it, based on my limited knowledge. I basically stated this about three times. I guess trying to get into a heated argument with me - or any other poster - proves to be a much more attractive option for you. Why? Because you LOVE to disrupt this place, don't you? Yes you do. Yes you do.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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You already admitted that rich white prisoners have it better than anyone, including rich minorities, citing mobsters as a specific example. And you're asking me to prove white privilege exists in the prison system? Right after you just admitted it? What are you asking here?
I already responded to your point about white trash types, like bikers, Hells Angels, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. If white people have to lower their standards that much to be treated as bad as blacks, it only further proves white privilege's existence.
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Of course it does, it’s always been that way . The majority rules it will always be that way . Thank you for at least admitting it. The Killing Joke is still solidly in the denial phase. Tell you what this stuff with Trump may start the dividing line possible Civil War type shit .....Trump got in there because white Americans are tired of give everyone a trophy type shit . This will be scary times ahead , I will be in my cabin out west with enough to hold down a state . LOL.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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You already admitted that rich white prisoners have it better than anyone, including rich minorities, citing mobsters as a specific example. And you're asking me to prove white privilege exists in the prison system? Right after you just admitted it? What are you asking here?
I already responded to your point about white trash types, like bikers, Hells Angels, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. If white people have to lower their standards that much to be treated as bad as blacks, it only further proves white privilege's existence. You said "mobsters are treated with privilege compared to black prisoners", then made it about race. I said that when you look at it that way, it's merely about stature. Not necessarily race. I don't get what's so difficult to understand here, but I guess you're gonna repeat the same things over and over and over again until I stop replying to you, you got the last word and "win".
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Of course it does, it’s always been that way . The majority rules it will always be that way . Thank you for at least admitting it. The Killing Joke is still solidly in the denial phase. Tell you what this stuff with Trump may start the dividing line possible Civil War type shit .....Trump got in there because white Americans are tired of give everyone a trophy type shit . This will be scary times ahead , I will be in my cabin out west with enough to hold down a state . LOL. No problem it’s never been a color thing it’s a majority thing back to Sargon of Akkad around 2000 BC to the days of Genghis Khan and Vikings it’s the way it always been .
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Nope. Never said that, Nicky from Tampa. I said most mobsters feed info to law enforcement, which is an obvious fact to anyone paying attention. I'm so confused as to what you are trying to say. If a mobster is feeding info to law enforcement, then he is working for law enforcement. Undercover.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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What black boss? Black boss of what? Is there any black prisoner with a record similar to Persico's who's been given a compassionate release? Ever? I doubt it. Willie Horton? Bill Cosby gets 3 years only? And let's wait and see how the retarded, black murderer from Howard Beach in the Vetrano case gets sentenced in a few months - then compare with the 70 year old italian shylocks in the neighborhood. It's also worth noting that the NY Times basically dropped that story when they found out it was a black guy, but when they were convinced it was a guido from Cross Bay they ran with it. How is it not compassion that leads to these minimal penalties in the first place?
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Don't compare a white mobster's prison experience with that of any black person's. You lose all credibility. Great that politics has been banned from board. It seems that someone is enjoying a bit of priveledge.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Are you going to name one example of a black inmate who's enjoyed the same privileges as white mobsters, or are you just going to keep making this personal? The mob generally doesn't fit the forced narrative of white priviledge. The Kennedy's and Clinton's perhaps, but not the mob. I realize now how you have so much time to write on here. You've obviously given up your job or career so that a less priviledged person can have it. Great for him, bad for us.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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The warden confirmed that Junior did suffer from “chronic medical conditions related to (the) aging process†but he did not have any “deteriorating mental or physical health that has substantially diminished his ability to function in a correctional facility.†How has this thread reached four pages already? https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/mobster-who-claims-jail-food-is-killing-him-scarfs-down-hot-dog/Just read this report and make up your own mind why Persico's claims are being questioned.
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Nice token examples there, Flushing.
And, no politics. It's impossible to discuss unjust sentencing in the U.S. prison system without discussing race. I think we can be adults about it. I know I can. No ,it's impossible for ideologically possessed leftists to discuss fair versus unfair prison sentences. If you think that LE unfairly targets blacks, I suggest you pay a visit to Baltimore. The entire city (except for locust point and the inner harbor) is an open air drug bazaar, where the police fear intervening at all. And as I choose my words very carefully, I generally refrain from childish comments. Don't know where the adult thing came from.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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lol. I was waiting for someone to bring up Bill Cosby.
And, no politics. It's impossible to discuss unjust sentencing in the U.S. prison system without discussing race. I think we can be adults about it. I know I can. But the board's policy is NOT to discuss racial issues at all.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Nope. Never said that, Nicky from Tampa. I said most mobsters feed info to law enforcement, which is an obvious fact to anyone paying attention. I'm so confused as to what you are trying to say. If a mobster is feeding info to law enforcement, then he is working for law enforcement. Undercover. This is the second thread in which Oak has completely disregarded a response to his bullshit, nonsensical, "most people in the mafia are rats" fantasy. Just common sense questions, Oak. 1. If the majority of mobsters feed information to law enforcement, why do so many of them get long, harsh sentences despite their cooperation? 2. Furthering this, what is the point of a mobster risking his life and reputation to snitch on another mobster if he's not getting any sentence reduction? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that most wiseguys today are, in fact, getting protection from the feds in exchange for their cooperation. 1. What is the point of the fight against organized crime if most people in La Cosa Nostra are snitches for the government and, therefore, protected by the government? 2. Why would the FBI keep such a large amount of mobsters on their payroll? It would get to a point where any information a prospective cooperator could provide to the government has already been provided to the government by the rest of their many, many cooperators. 3. It would also get to the point where snitches are snitching on other snitches, therefore defeating the purpose of the snitching. 4. Why does the Mafia still exist if most of them are snitching on each other? You made the argument previously that the Mafia got POWERFUL because of this cooperation. Which leaves two more burning questions: a) If Mafia snitching only serves to make the Mafia more powerful, why the hell does the FBI facilitate it? b) How, exactly, does a mobster snitching on another mobster make the Mafia, as a whole, more powerful? Oak, if you can give a proper response to each of these questions, people on the forum will be more inclined to take your theory seriously. Because, and you know this already, it's a very, very far-fetched theory.
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On a different note I just came back from Persico's bagel store and they still have the best bagels in Dyker and Bensonhurst
Hands down
Is Louis Daidone's bagel place still operating under different ownership?
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there is a documented history of white mobsters getting preferential treatment in prison, and they're not labeled "rats" because of it. The preferential treatment is part of the mobster status, not an affront to it. Mobsters have boasted of it.
Didn't I admit this? See, Oak, we are actually ON THE SAME PAGE when it comes to this. Mobsters DO have it better than any other criminal - at least that's the way I feel about it, based on my limited knowledge. I basically stated this about three times. I guess trying to get into a heated argument with me - or any other poster - proves to be a much more attractive option for you. Why? Because you LOVE to disrupt this place, don't you? Yes you do. Yes you do. 100% truth. He loves to stir it up and then cry victim. Nothing has changed...
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OakasFan has to be a troll, or is retarded. "Common knowledge." He'll use any chance he gets to bring up the fact that all mobsters are informers, etc. etc., and then when somebody actually asks hard questions he just ducks out and ignores them. I asked him a few questions about his retarded theory and he completely ignored me. Then somebody said "Oak, why don't you respond to Nicky," and Oak replied "It's best to let sleeping dogs die." No, you dipshit, you just know for a fact that you can't respond because you know you're wrong.
I asked him the questions again, more recently, and again he ignored me - completely. Something I'm about to do. Goodbye to you and your flaming, immature ways.
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On a different note I just came back from Persico's bagel store and they still have the best bagels in Dyker and Bensonhurst n
Hands down
Is Louis Daidone's bagel place still operating under different ownership? NYC mobsters love owning a bagel shop. I wonder if the bagel shop where Michael Pappadio got killed is still around, I believe it was owned by Carmine Avellino. There was also the bagel shop where the young kid was killed by during the Colombo war, owned by BF Guerra. Persico needs to be released, not because he was old, sick, guilty, or innocent, but for being rail roared by the Government.
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Nicky was really good poster, i am not trying to say admin what to do,but perma ban ? Maybe a week for this ,i am not saying what Nicky did was right ,but he was ignoring him. Nicky was a royal pain in the ass, a crybaby and as antisocial scumbag who flamed anyone who dared to have a different view from the Nicky-look-at-me attention seeker. Good riddance to bad garbage. Why is it that so many of you guys have trouble understanding that it costs nothing to be civil to another member here even if they have opposing views. This board is not a sandbox for little kids to throw their temper tantrums. If you can't understand that then shut the door behind you as you leave.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Nicky was really good poster, i am not trying to say admin what to do,but perma ban ? Maybe a week for this ,i am not saying what Nicky did was right ,but he was ignoring him. Nicky was a royal pain in the ass, a crybaby and as antisocial scumbag who flamed anyone who dared to have a different view from the Nicky-look-at-me attention seeker. Good riddance to bad garbage. Why is it that so many of you guys have trouble understanding that it costs nothing to be civil to another member here even if they have opposing views. This board is not a sandbox for little kids to throw their temper tantrums. If you can't understand that then shut the door behind you as you leave. Well you’ve done a good job compared to several years back when there were ten of them .....thank you
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The government is wrong in this case “ if you want to go after him for something he did fine ....but he was railroaded and who knows what happens if he doesn’t get out and dies .
Is the government responsible for all those years and his death , you know NY can be held responsible and have to pay millions but the guys that were or are responsible for putting him away wrongly will never spend a day in the joint .
Telling you when you are around or involved with people that level the government will frame you and your father !!!!! To get what they went , they are almost as bad as the gangster....seen it with my own eyes and it don’t stop. I think the big difference here is that the Persico still holds the reins he should have let them go a long time ago for a bunch of different reasons this one being the most important one. I think had he stepped down years ago he might be a free man. The Feds are not looking to let an official boss out to retain his position with out a fight. Christy Tic, is not the official boss nor does he hold any position of significance within the Luchesse crime family. As for NICKY, SC warned him probably a 1/2 a dozen times. I think a few "GOOD POSTERS" left because they didn't like to see the BABY back and forth that Nicky, would bait you into if you disagreed with his opinion. Lastly, in my opinion the Feds are WORSE than the gangsters because they are supposed to be the good guys and held to higher standard. So if they can't these guys legit than they frame them. And the witnesses are such B.S. I knew a guy who flipped and basically they told him what to say, they completely lied to make it look like he was higher up on the food chain than he really was, to cement their case against the others. That's how that works ALOT of the times. I.E. Anthony Casso, he got fucked because he was too stupid to just tell the Feds what they wanted, he insisted on giving them the "GOODS" which the should have wanted but they did not. Case in point: The info he had on Sammy the Bull, 1) He was a drug dealer, 2) He had was more bodies than he copped to, that is all I can remember at the moment. The truth would have given Gotti the grounds for atleast a retrial. Casso also had the goods on the Mafia Cops however, the Feds did NOT want to take down L.E. So they did not know what to do with Cassso, because they could not give him a venue to tell what he knew, meaning if they put him on the stand and he was cross examined by defense attorneys. So they FUCT him and re-negged on their agreement with him and sent him to be locked down 23 hours a day. Look at Greg Scarpa Jr, same thing he had the goods on senior and Devicchio so the feds had to "SHUT HIM DOWN"
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