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Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: Beenaround] #952191
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Originally Posted by Beenaround
Fact...Gene has had a guy on the Street looking out for his investments (Legit and illegitimate )..He's not going to be broke..But He should retire and enjoy his time left with Family..It's a different world..No Honor left...His Brothers are Gone..Don't think he would be welcomed back into the Gambino Family..


I don’t know any of them but dead on a different world and many don’t like that name on both sides of the law it’s hard enough to come out to family let alone into a world that racket are very hard to keep or get without a paper trail or dealing with strangers he is guaranteed a spot back in the joint being on parole to many rats “ and that’s easy to get put back by a phone call he stands no chance.


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Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: Beenaround] #952195
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Originally Posted by Beenaround
Fact...Gene has had a guy on the Street looking out for his investments (Legit and illegitimate )..He's not going to be broke..But He should retire and enjoy his time left with Family..It's a different world..No Honor left...His Brothers are Gone..Don't think he would be welcomed back into the Gambino Family..


I forgot that Gene had 2 brothers still alive: Richard is a capo and Vincent is a soldier so maybe they looked for Gene money.

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952196
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Sure he will be looked after but his days in the life are over I bet!


British is best....
Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952197
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What could they give this guy money wise to make up for 30 years realistically speaking? And who would pay it?

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: furio_from_naples] #952213
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Beenaround
Fact...Gene has had a guy on the Street looking out for his investments (Legit and illegitimate )..He's not going to be broke..But He should retire and enjoy his time left with Family..It's a different world..No Honor left...His Brothers are Gone..Don't think he would be welcomed back into the Gambino Family..


I forgot that Gene had 2 brothers still alive: Richard is a capo and Vincent is a soldier so maybe they looked for Gene money.


His Brothers have nothing to do with his earnings. It's none of them...Rich is not in the picture anymore just a Soldier if that and moved to PA, last time I heard and Vinny was tossed out..Basically the end of the Gotti's in the Mob.

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952218
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Gotti or not this guy isn’t going to be shelved after a 30 year bid. And he had a strong rep on the street independent of John. My guess is they entertain him but far away from administration. Also the message it would send that after 30 years inside for the family there would literally be no reason for anyone to do time if they see him getting shelved with no respect. Everyone keeps saying how clever Cali is so he must be considering the above point (if he is the shot caller)

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952219
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agree Liborio..if they do not give him an open door and be willing to help him ,it will send a clear message ,why do the time, gene did nothing wrong, only thing he did wrong was listening to his brother ,almost got him life,for the most part sacrifice most of his life. make him a captain if he was taken down..should not have been anyway..

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952220
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think John himself took gene down for operational reasons if I’m correct. Might be wrong if anyone else knows otherwise.

And did gene have kids?

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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
think John himself took gene down for operational reasons if I’m correct. Might be wrong if anyone else knows otherwise.

And did gene have kids?





Yes 3...if anything.. Arms distance.. They don't care about a guy who did 30 years.. He's a Antique.. They don't even kill rats anymore.. This is a new ball game.. They have shelved guys doing less time.. Let alone a Fed Magnet with the name Gotti..

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952237
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Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952246
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Time will tell

But to put him on a shelf because of his last name.
??

Why would anyone be paying on his book if he has no standing?

Whoever owes could either just not pay or run to someone and get the debt knocked down to penny's on the dollar.

I know you cant trust what you read bit he has $1MM on the street 1/2 is his and people have been paying for the last 30+

$20K a week at 2 points
That is 1/2 million a year in juice about

The Gambino family is backing him.

Some of that juice is going up the ladder.

If he were smart he would retire however, for some of these guys it's the only life they want to know.

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952247
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The Gottis made milions with Gotti sr,Gotti jr and Pete from 1986 to 2003 and for sure part of this money will go to Gene;I don't know if John ever felt sorry for his brother destiny if yes maybe tell his sons to keep money for his uncle and to help him when he will get out.
I think that Gambino hierarchy must help Gene and don't shelved him because would be hard for the young generations to accept long sentence without flipping.
In the 2010s the american mafia must use the ancient rules for hace trusted men.

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: furio_from_naples] #952248
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Beenaround
Fact...Gene has had a guy on the Street looking out for his investments (Legit and illegitimate )..He's not going to be broke..But He should retire and enjoy his time left with Family..It's a different world..No Honor left...His Brothers are Gone..Don't think he would be welcomed back into the Gambino Family..


I forgot that Gene had 2 brothers still alive: Richard is a capo and Vincent is a soldier so maybe they looked for Gene money.


Richard is not a capo anymore. That changed long ago, and he resides in Milford, Pennsylvania now - https://nypost.com/2012/09/27/gottis-bro-nabbed-in-womans-beating/

Originally Posted by Beenaround
Fact...Gene has had a guy on the Street looking out for his investments (Legit and illegitimate )..He's not going to be broke..But He should retire and enjoy his time left with Family..It's a different world..No Honor left...His Brothers are Gone..Don't think he would be welcomed back into the Gambino Family..


Yes, he does, or at least he did in 2002 (thirteen years into his sentence). This is confirmed knowledge.
In court documents for Peter Gotti's 2002 trial, it was confirmed that Gene "lost his crew and was reduced in rank to soldier, but he has played a major role in the crime family's rackets from federal prison," as reported by Gang Land News on December 5, 2002.
"He has remained a powerful family force through phone calls and jailhouse meetings with Peter and a host of capos, soldiers and associates, the court papers show. Since he went to prison – he's not due out until 2018 – Gene has also retained a lucrative loansharking operation that Peter and other mob associates run for him, using the proceeds to provide for his wife and children, the papers say."

According to a 1999 affidavit by FBI agent Betsy Morris (as reported in the Gang Land article), Gene was visited in prison by Peter Gotti, whom he was seen yelling at, as well as Gambino mobsters Salvatore Scala and Dominick Pizzonia.
"Until 1999, most insight the feds learned about Gene's activities came from informants because the Gotti crew knew they were being observed by cameras." But the Gotti crew learned how to avoid wiretaps and covered their mouths when they spoke after that.

"Many of Gene's phone calls – and visits from Gambino wiseguys – concerned the day-to-day operations of Gene's half of an unusual joint loansharking operation he shared with Colombo capo Joseph Scopo, a longtime gangster buddy until Scopo (right) was killed in 1993, the last of 12 victims of the bloody Colombo mob war that began in 1991.
"Despite Gene's incarceration and Scopo's death, their loanshark business is booming.

When Scopo died, his brother Ralph, a Colombo soldier, took over his brother's share of the loanshark operation, valued at $500,000 by the affidavit but which sources say today has more than $1 million "on the street" earning from 100 to 200 per cent interest a year."

(end article).

It should be noted here that a million-dollar loanshark book is a sustainable gig. It's not something that can just go away overnight. So as long as Gene has guys on the street, that book is probably still earning. And his pals Arnold Squitieri and Alphonse Sisca assumed high-level positions in the family shortly after that Gang Land article and the conviction of Peter Gotti, so it's not like he didn't have friends on the street.
Regarding Ralph Scopo Jr.: in 2005 (three years after the Gang Land article) Scopo Jr. was arrested for racketeering conspiracy alongside Genovese acting boss Matthew Ianniello, elderly capo Ciro Perrone, and others whom he met with frequently. So Scopo Jr. was a bigwig too, and continued to control the concrete unions with an iron grip until his indictment in Jan. 2011 and his death two years later.

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952256
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Much was Reinvested in legit businesses..After 30 years, how much could be left? Probably enough not to return. His Family was taken care of.. The person that overlooked his interests isn't even made, but respected. The Family (Gotti) is beat up.. falling like Dominos.. I Wish him and His Family the best. They don't make them like him anymore..

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Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: DiLorenzo] #952260
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how much could be left?
It could be a lot or it could be a little... depends on how they ran the shark loans

Re: Gene Gotti, brother of mob boss John, finishes 29- [Re: jace] #952283
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Originally Posted by jace
Culture shock might kill him. 30 years away is a long time. The Ravenite is long gone, I think it may have been gone when he went away to prison. Ozone Park is totally different and even his neighbors will have died or moved away. His family has changed, many have probably died. If he goes to Mulberry Street I would think he won't recognize most of it anymore due to changes. He went away when cell phones were a new thing and cameras were not everywhere. It will take him a few months just to get used to society as it is now. When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint. He'll need a relative to show him around his first times out of the house.


On the other hand, if someone has two men as parents they will probably have a better upbringing than a Gotti, and will be more likely to get a PHD and give something back to society.


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Originally Posted by PhillyBilly
how much could be left?
It could be a lot or it could be a little... depends on how they ran the shark loans



Well we know the loanshark book doubled in value from the mid-1990s-2002, so it’s stands to reason it could have grown even more. Even if it hasn’t, it’s unlikely it would have just gone away. Loansharking is a very sustainable business which is why there are so, so, so many cases of mobsters keeping a hold of things while locked up. Ronald Giallanzo is a recent example that comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by jace
Culture shock might kill him. 30 years away is a long time. The Ravenite is long gone, I think it may have been gone when he went away to prison. Ozone Park is totally different and even his neighbors will have died or moved away. His family has changed, many have probably died. If he goes to Mulberry Street I would think he won't recognize most of it anymore due to changes. He went away when cell phones were a new thing and cameras were not everywhere. It will take him a few months just to get used to society as it is now. When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint. He'll need a relative to show him around his first times out of the house.


On the other hand, if someone has two men as parents they will probably have a better upbringing than a Gotti, and will be more likely to get a PHD and give something back to society.



I strongly disagree, but why bring up politics. I was just pointing out that things have changed drastically, maybe you were looking to make a disparaging remark about a racketeer for your own reasons, but it is irrelevant. I was pointing out it's a different world and he will be shocked.

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You made a homophobic comment and I pulled you up on it.


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
You made a homophobic comment and I pulled you up on it.



Liar. I pointed out the differences in time periods, with nothing that can be called homophobic. You're and out and out liar. Me and others take the time to research and discuss things, you come along and make rude comments, lie, try to be funny, And condemn people, be they gangsters or posters. Here is what I took the time to write:

"Culture shock might kill him. 30 years away is a long time. The Ravenite is long gone, I think it may have been gone when he went away to prison. Ozone Park is totally different and even his neighbors will have died or moved away. His family has changed, many have probably died. If he goes to Mulberry Street I would think he won't recognize most of it anymore due to changes. He went away when cell phones were a new thing and cameras were not everywhere. It will take him a few months just to get used to society as it is now. When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint. He'll need a relative to show him around his first times out of the house."


Nothing there homophobic. You're a liar.

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You're clearly projecting your own homophobia onto Gene Gotti and how he would react in a hypothetical situation.

Why bring up two male parents of a child otherwise?

We're not stupid, Jace.


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
You're clearly projecting your own homophobia onto Gene Gotti and how he would react in a hypothetical situation.

Why bring up two male parents of a child otherwise?

We're not stupid, Jace.



Okay, would some one else tell me who is lying here, this has gotten ridiculous. I brought up a change in culture, along with other things that have changed, you are turning it into a personal attack on me. I will not be bullied, but I won't hog up this thread arguing with you either. If several posters will weigh in on my comments meaning please do so. What I said and how I phrased it should be very obvious to anyone with a brain and no bias.

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When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint.


You dug your own grave. I don't need to say anything.


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
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When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint.


You dug your own grave. I don't need to say anything.


No, I made an honest assertion of how he may be effected by changes of the past 30 years, and you know it. AsI said, let someone else give an opinion. Other than your friend who pms me on your behalf.

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I repeat. You projected your own bigotry into a hypothetical scenario. Anyone can read between the lines.

Pretty much everyone thinks you are either a) a troll, or b) someone with family connections to the mob, which would explain your slant against the Feds, your persistent defense of mobsters etc. etc.


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
I repeat. You projected your own bigotry into a hypothetical scenario. Anyone can read between the lines.



Anyone?

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I repeat. You projected your own bigotry into a hypothetical scenario. Anyone can read between the lines.



Anyone?


Ignore it..Not important..Opinions are like assholes....you know how that saying goes..Lol

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Culture shock might kill him. 30 years away is a long time. The Ravenite is long gone, I think it may have been gone when he went away to prison. Ozone Park is totally different and even his neighbors will have died or moved away. His family has changed, many have probably died. If he goes to Mulberry Street I would think he won't recognize most of it anymore due to changes. He went away when cell phones were a new thing and cameras were not everywhere. It will take him a few months just to get used to society as it is now. When he sees two men pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and asks who the father is and gets "We both are" as a response, followed by the two men kissing and walking on, he may faint. He'll need a relative to show him around his first times out of the house.

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If he falls in line with the Sicilians he will want to be invisible.

I would imagine he would want to be around the action somewhat.

I can't see the benefit to shelving him.

I think the throw him a bone or two so he can earn, nothing high risk.

They let him know the days of ur brother are gone forever.

The admin today seems pretty right we don't know anything.

Because they are from the other side
and on the other side they believe in killing families of rats..

I don't think the Feds have any high level informats..

When is the last time the admin took a pinch?

When was the last time any Sicilian went away for a major bust from the Gambino's
?

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
If he falls in line with the Sicilians he will want to be invisible.

I would imagine he would want to be around the action somewhat.

I can't see the benefit to shelving him.

I think the throw him a bone or two so he can earn, nothing high risk.

They let him know the days of ur brother are gone forever.

The admin today seems pretty right we don't know anything.

Because they are from the other side
and on the other side they believe in killing families of rats..

I don't think the Feds have any high level informats..

When is the last time the admin took a pinch?

When was the last time any Sicilian went away for a major bust from the Gambino's
?



In 2011 bobby vernace got arrested.
And in 2008 the all admin got arrested plus couple of capos and i think 17 soldiers
(Cali, jojo and cefalu)

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