Not me. I was just referring to them in general. You spoke on their behalf.



Too many, that's for certain.



When the authorities come for you, I'll have my popcorn.

Even if that were true, it would mean we have a problem with law enforcement, not the law.

The war on drugs is a farce, weed is getting legalized

Another school shooting today and the govt wont care

There wont be a change until a senators kid gets murdered

So, still think AR-15's are the problem or did yesterday's shooting in Texas not quantify as a mass shooting? 10 dead and 10 injured. Also, please tell me again how the NRA was responsible for yesterday's shooting?

Wow, glad you seem to think you know me so well, but you'd actually be wrong.

You do realize they're more drugs than weed, right? How's the heroin epidemic coming along? Especially in places like Virginia and Ohio.

What does yesterday's shooting have to do with the Youtube shooting? 10 died yesterday. Only 1 death in the youtube shooting, the shooter. That is not a mass shooting. Would you stop grasping at straws?

I already explained how the NRA is culpable for all gun violence today. In several comments. Scroll up or search my comment history.

If you own one gun, it's too many.

Says you. Glad the second amendment didn't put a cap on it!

Both of them didn't use AR-15's. As you said in your own words "we'll discuss them when they do." Well, a pistol was used in the YouTube shooting, although, in your mind it doesn't quantify as a mass shooting since only 3 people where shot and no fatalities other than the shooter herself. But what about yesterday? A shotgun and a pistol were used. No AR-15. Still think the weapon is the problem and not the individual?

And no, I'm still a little fuzzy on the NRA's role yesterday. Care to elaborate?

@irishman

the government is responsible for the heroin epidemic

They want drugs in the country because it makes money

an AR15 not being used yesterday doesnt mean shit

Assault weapons should not be sold to citizens

And what I was providing an example about is you seem to think the government is selling drugs (which, I'm not against that idea either). And if the second amendment is done away with, why would you think the government wouldn't do exactly what they're doing with drugs (i.e., selling/distribution and making money off of it), with guns (i.e., selling/distributing them to criminals)? It seems like you and OakAsFan actually believe that the government wouldn't do this with weapons like they're doing it with drugs?

And an AR-15 not being used on Friday does matter. I understand OakAsFan and maybe even yourself to an extent want the second amendment done away with, but you won't come right out and say it. At first OakAsFan said just AR-15's should be banned, to which I replied that it won't stop with them. I even provided the example of what would happen if a shotgun or a pistol were used in a shooting, to which he replied, "we'll discuss that when they do." Well, they both were used on Friday so I'm trying to see what OakAsFan and your opinion is now that the precious AR-15 wasn't used. As I've said all along, the weapon is not the problem but rather the shooter. The left, in their anti-gun agenda, would rather blame the weapon which is not at fault but rather the person wielding it. You both seem to be dancing around the obvious which is you both want any and all guns banned. I'd respect you more if you just came out and said it rather than these semantics.

Year sure !! Oakasfan is living in a fantasy world if he expects us to believe that he really thinks the government wanst heroin in our country. We arent buying your nonsense oakasfan, we know you dont believe that.
Oakasfan should join the soaring eagles and spread his anglo wings. Be proud and loud.

As Eric Burdon of The Animals once said.."When will it end" .....back & forth ..back & forth etc..etc..same guys,,same war..I am officially out of popcorn.

@irishman

AR15s are the favorite weapon of mass shooters

a train full of guns was sent through a slum a few summers ago. Subsequently that train just so happened to be robbed, i bet they wouldn't send a train full of diamonds through that same neighborhood

That was done on purpose to arm the neighborhood

There's other stories a crates of guns being found in alleys

The government doesn't care if citizens kill each other

The reason they didnt steal the diamonds was because they were packed with job applications.

So what? Yes, AR-15's have been used in multiple mass shootings. But here's some information for you about Friday's shooting that the media is "forgetting" to report:

1) It's illegal to bring a firearm onto school grounds
2) It's illegal to saw the barrel off of a shotgun
3) It's illegal for a 17-year-old to posses a gun
4) It's illegal to carry without a permit in Texas
5) It's illegal to discharge a weapon in public
6) It's illegal to bring ammo on school grounds
7) It's illegal to shoot and murder people
8) It's illegal to conceal your weapon without a permit

But yeah, we just need one more law. That'll do it!

Also, I came across this little nugget. Tell me again how we'll stop banning with just the AR-15 with legislation like this currently introduced in the House of Representatives?

H.R. 5717

If you're saying we can't pass gun laws because people won't obey them, then it would seem to me we have a problem with law enforcement.

@irishman

Why do i care more about white kids getting killed than you?

Thats the main point of the gun conversation

Americans don't care about each other

There were less mass shootings when assault weapons were banned

So with all of these laws on the books, how would law enforcement have prevented this shooting then?



Who said I don't care about kids being killed, regardless of their race?

Also, how would law enforcement have prevented the shooting at an Indiana middle school today?

If law enforcement put as much effort into stopping the proliferation of guns, as opposed to just catching individuals (particularly poor and of color) with unregistered guns, there would be less guns available.

There's a youtube video somewhere, I'll try to find it, of a community meeting on gang violence in some city, I don't remember. A woman asked a speaker in law enforcement how guns get onto the streets. The officer replied that most are probably just stolen from small retailers, or relatives, friends, etc.

The audience laughed, because, obviously, the massive quantities of assault weapons on the streets are not being stolen from grandma's house. The officer then gets frustrated and replies, "We don't know, and we don't care. We're going after the gang bangers who are destroying your community. We don't care how they get their weapons."

He was resoundingly booed, as he should have been. This kind of apathy and laziness in law enforcement is as much to blame for inner city violence as anything.

Typically the police are reactive and that's because the system is setup that way. Usually you can't arrest someone until he/she commits a crime (unless you stop them before and get them on conspiracy charges). However, with the shooting in Santa Fe, police could not have done anything to prevent it. If you want to blame the parents for not doing a better job ensuring their son didn't have access to their weapons, I'm with you on that. But saying the police didn't do enough to stop it is ridiculous. They can't monitor and chaperone every student at every school. Somewhere along the way, parental responsibility comes into play.

Absolutely wrong. Police are the exact opposite of reactive today.

Police now use a system of profiling. They have an idea of who they want to arrest before they even hit the streets. They'll pass up several suspicious people and situations en route to pursuing people who fit their criminal profile, which is typically gang members and drug dealers, young men of color.

The prison industrial complex plays into this, as well. If police targeted the proliferation of guns, if we funded and resourced the ATF the way we do the DEA, gun violence would decrease. But they'd rather throw a hundred poor people in jail than try to convict just a handful who have money for lawyers.