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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934267
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The Lucchese and Colombo families will never return to glory/move ahead with the times unless Vic Amuso and Junior Persicos regimes are finally ended and some new blood is installed. They are holding their borgatas back. Vic has been locked up coming on 30 years now running things behind bars, while Junior has been virtually locked up since 1973 as boss with just a few years on the street. But guys like amuso and junior are too greedy to step down.

It's a shame there aren't more Tony Ducks around. What a boss. His men loved him. He wasn't greedy. He let the Jersey crew be and only asked for a small tribute. And when he knew he'd be sent away for life he decided to step down for the good of the family. Not many men of honor like that around. His only red mark is getting talked into letting Gas and Vic run the show.

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Louiebynochi] #934268
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Vic amuso son in law is running the family. He was a skipper and stepped up

Is that DiBenedetto?

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934269
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When is the last time recently that a boss in the 5 families has retired with out going to jail?

So if you have a chance to grab the reins
I get it

The MONEY, POWER, RESPECT....

However, when you go to sleep at night
What are you saying to yourself??

Not me???

Aren't you better off being a low key capo and have a chance that you slip under the radar and maybe retire

I mean because jail sucks I have never been there thank god
A lot of my friends and family

but imagine being 70-75-80 and having to go to jail then.

I mean
??????

LOL as soon as your on Gangland and Jerry figured out your a boss
That means at 26 federal plaza there is an 8-10 picture on a board of YOU...

you just got the "GANGLAND NEWS KISS OF DEATH"
"MORTA"

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934272
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I had to go to court in that building once. It was before they ended the death penalty in New York.

They had a lot of people there that day asking people to sign a petition to end the death peanilty. They asked me to sign it I said sure. So I signed it then I told them why I signed it even though they really did not care why I signed it only that I signed it.

I told them any way I signed it hoping that if they did away with the death peanilty it would give the prisoner a chance to kill a prison guard.


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934274
03/21/18 02:16 AM
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Danny Leo could have retired and never been arrested when he was in the Purple gang.

But instead continued in the mafia became a boss and went to jail in his 60s.

Then we had Michael Meldish he was fine living very low key in the Bronx. He started the purple gang. Then he had an accident a few years ago. He was accidently hit by a few bullets.


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934275
03/21/18 02:32 AM
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LOL some accident gotta hate when you wake up dead with swiss cheese holes all ova...

What I was asking was after becoming boss
Has anyone retired with out going to jail recently

Just step down and retire

My point is that you take that top spot and you are basically done

And in my opinion you rare better off passing on it and all that goes with it.

it is literally 15 minutes in the sun...

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: BensonHURST] #934277
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
When is the last time recently that a boss in the 5 families has retired with out going to jail?

So if you have a chance to grab the reins
I get it

The MONEY, POWER, RESPECT....

However, when you go to sleep at night
What are you saying to yourself??

Not me???

Aren't you better off being a low key capo and have a chance that you slip under the radar and maybe retire

I mean because jail sucks I have never been there thank god
A lot of my friends and family

but imagine being 70-75-80 and having to go to jail then.

I mean
??????

LOL as soon as your on Gangland and Jerry figured out your a boss
That means at 26 federal plaza there is an 8-10 picture on a board of YOU...

you just got the "GANGLAND NEWS KISS OF DEATH"
"MORTA"


They're career driven. lol Check out the quote in my signature. A lot of guys don't mind prison that much.


"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: BensonHURST] #934279
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
LOL some accident gotta hate when you wake up dead with swiss cheese holes all ova...

What I was asking was after becoming boss
Has anyone retired with out going to jail recently

Just step down and retire

My point is that you take that top spot and you are basically done

And in my opinion you rare better off passing on it and all that goes with it.

it is literally 15 minutes in the sun...






I did know one guy he was never a boss. But he was very similar to frank Lucas. No one knew who he was but he had enemies later. He went to Grammer school with my older brother he was a Chinese kid Phillip Wou. He brought in a ton of heroin.

You want not to get caught you have to be way under the radar. So no one is aware of what your doing. That means you can own a lot of businesses and live in a big house but not a house that cost 20 million or more. Even if you can afford it. Plus if you are the source no one can know where your getting it from and who is helping you.. But your seller has to know if you die their gravy train ends.


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934303
03/21/18 09:23 AM
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I agree the sun doesn't shine for very long in most cases at the top I think it all differs tho I knew a guy who was the lone cocaine supplier for the city I live in which is known as Little Chicago... He had 25 year run with minor arrests for small amounts of cocaine thru the whole time he was bringing work into the city.... His name was Rico Rivas aka Taco he eventually passed some years ago and left 350,000 to one of his daughters and her boyfriend Paul Acevedo aka Pepe....money was left with the daughter and the pipeline connect was left to one of the sons that was named no other then Rico Rivas Jr.. Rivas Jr never amounted to what his father did but at same time a 25 year run with minor arrests is pretty good I would think the more n more I think about it tho I wouldn't rule out some sort of cooperation could have gone on.

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: BensonHURST] #934363
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST

it is literally 15 minutes in the sun...



Unless you're in Buffalo apparently...

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: NickyfromTampa] #934367
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Ligambi has been boss 20 years roughly and has done 18 months in that time And he wasn’t even convicted ..but looks like the house may come down


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934376
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WOW- so Ligambi was a.b. for 20 years AMAZING....

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934589
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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934595
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What does the future hold for these guys

Vinny DiNapoli - Acting Capo in Brooklyn - Joey D son

Andrew DiSimone - Acting Capo in Bronx/Westchester

Vincent Mancione "Vinny Casablanca" - Capo in Long Island has ties to Joe Caridi

Alfred Santorelli "Freddy Boy" - Soldier ? - Tony Blue Eyes son

Anthony Acceturo Jr - Soldier ?

Any future left for the

Avellinos - Mike n Carmine

Argentinas - Jimmy n Ray

Cutaias - Sally n Joey

Pernas - Junior, Joey, Johnny, and Mikey

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934601
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Acceturo JR ? He is not involved at all.
Perna’s, who is jr? You talkin about Ralphie?
Mike is laying low and enjoying his grandchildren. John and joe are probably becoming very good at playing checkers.

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #934661
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Didn't Cutia own a car service on New Utrecht Ave in the 60's
I forget the name that he gave to his son in law FeeFee?

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959314
12/09/18 12:20 PM
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Crea the kid passed a lie detector test ......but even though it was a FBI agent he is retired or other and this possibly a new move by lawyers.


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959631
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read that in daily news last week forgot to say my piece. looks like the kid is gonna get off the judge let him out on bail. unheard of in a mafia rico murder trial. judge also been hinting the prosecutors lied about shit or made it up. i could never figure out why crea would issue a hit threw his son in this day. hes seen it all. guys not that dumb to do it to his son when he can pass the order to someone else. capeci touched up on it this week said something like creas kid became a capo and the family started talking shit he was broken down to soldier quickly. probaly like scarfo jr. cant ride your dads coat tails look at jr gotti and that disaster

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: pmac] #959644
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Originally Posted by pmac
i could never figure out why crea would issue a hit threw his son in this day. hes seen it all.


Yes. I thought that was a rather ruthless move by Crea Snr to order a hit through his son. I guess the feds/prosecutors are lying about that.

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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: pmac] #959645
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Originally Posted by pmac
capeci touched up on it this week said something like creas kid became a capo and the family started talking shit he was broken down to soldier quickly. probaly like scarfo jr. cant ride your dads coat tails look at jr gotti and that disaster



Where did he say that? I can't find anything...

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959647
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frank papagni, anthony baratta, frank lastorino, joe tangorra and george zappola are all in freedom

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959650
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How about the New Jersey faction?


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: m2w] #959653
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Originally Posted by m2w
frank papagni, anthony baratta, frank lastorino, joe tangorra and george zappola are all in freedom



And are all of them laying low ? Don’t hear much coming out of Brooklyn lately.


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959659
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Neo its in gis column gangland this week. Dont waste yhe money subscribing hes been mailing it in the last 3 yrs. I left my credit card pn the account so it automatically renews. Weak. It said as soon as crea jr became capo politics in the family came and he was bumped down quickly. Meaning members talking shit. I think his lawyer is saying this in memos tp the judge an court which years ago would be looked down on but in these days any defense goes and i bet no one gives a shit as long as your not snitching on someone else or whatever. Capos in the genovese family been taking pleas for decades now. Even chin. Abunch of them even acknowledging there mafia memebers. That secret society bullshit flew the coop after gotti. Dont blame them either. They all were getring hammerd. Pleas saved alot of the lcn. I would guess ray jr in new england first boss to take a plea. Smart saved him alot of time for boss numbers the feds give out. He didnt even have to say he was a lcn memeber

Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959664
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The 5 families can only survive if they get more blood over from Sicily and Southern Italy,


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Hollander] #959667
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Originally Posted by Hollander
The 5 families can only survive if they get more blood over from Sicily and Southern Italy,



True ... But they also need some security even a (crew) possibly to keep eyes on guys that are suspicious or new or just come out of nowhere.

Also need possibly the Commission if serious about continuing that life they need a member or two from each family to become that crew of guys that get trained in electronics (bugs) and lie detector screening and do body searches before meetings.

They are all losing money and many are going away for life how do they not get organized and put together a very organized system .

Once the guys (members) get word that this system does exist things will be much different you will be catching guys wearing wires you will catch guys going places with people that they should not be with hence start a full time investigation to that member.

How much money do they have to lose or how many of them have to become rats before they start thinking like the guys that are framing them and putting them away. I say framing because most guys wired up are pushing fed money to intrap the member.

Why am I the only person that sees that if I am making 2 million a year as a skipper and you have five good skippers that they can invest 200G and the boss kicks in and you have a crew like insurance watches the family ass .

Why is this not being done ....


It used to be done in similar as Murder Inc. guys knew not to rat they would jump off bridges and buildings before they rat ..


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Re: New Lucchese Family administration? [Re: Neo] #959671
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That is a great business idea serp. But for all the “this guy could of been a top ceo in the legitimate world” BS, these guys are gangsters who use intimidation and violence to make money.. Not being righteous at all but just saying there is a reason why they go into that life over the legit world where death or life in prison isn’t a likely option. Think George A summed it up best when he said that all this lcn thing is for guys who don’t want a 9-5!

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I'm not familiar with current politics in NY. But the Luccheses always had the right connections although subtle or hidden. Working through lawyers, union leaders, and businessmen.


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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
That is a great business idea serp. But for all the “this guy could of been a top ceo in the legitimate world” BS, these guys are gangsters who use intimidation and violence to make money.. Not being righteous at all but just saying there is a reason why they go into that life over the legit world where death or life in prison isn’t a likely option. Think George A summed it up best when he said that all this lcn thing is for guys who don’t want a 9-5!



I get it but this has only been since the 80’s so it’s not like it’s been a hundred years ......they have to evolve or die ...


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Originally Posted by Serpiente
Originally Posted by Hollander
The 5 families can only survive if they get more blood over from Sicily and Southern Italy,



True ... But they also need some security even a (crew) possibly to keep eyes on guys that are suspicious or new or just come out of nowhere.
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Also need possibly the Commission if serious about continuing that life they need a member or two from each family to become that crew of guys that get trained in electronics (bugs) and lie detector screening and do body searches before meetings.

They are all losing money and many are going away for life how do they not get organized and put together a very organized system .

Once the guys (members) get word that this system does exist things will be much different you will be catching guys wearing wires you will catch guys going places with people that they should not be with hence start a full time investigation to that member.

How much money do they have to lose or how many of them have to become rats before they start thinking like the guys that are framing them and putting them away. I say framing because most guys wired up are pushing fed money to intrap the member.

Why am I the only person that sees that if I am making 2 million a year as a skipper and you have five good skippers that they can invest 200G and the boss kicks in and you have a crew like insurance watches the family ass .

Why is this not being done ....


It used to be done in similar as Murder Inc. guys knew not to rat they would jump off bridges and buildings before they rat ..



The reason it's not being done is the same reason you are saying guys could have been C.E.O. s of companies.

Back in the day when the sicilians first came to America, there were almost NO opportunities for Italian Americans, to make it out of the Italian GHETTOS,

The conditions were so bad many said jail was an improvement.

So for most Italian Americans LCN was one of, if not the only way out.

Hence you have what it has been said that alot of these guys could have been so much more.

Those guys were the brains they would cultivate relationships with judges, politicians, police chiefs and the likes.

Many would try to pass or did pass themselves off as business men, I.E. Costello, Joe Todaro, Tocco even Rizzutto got where he got because of his savy.

That you had the shooters who were good for one thing.
They were always easily dispensivle.

Fast foward 50 years and Italians moved up on the food chain.

For young smart Italians there are now many lucrative ways to make money..

LCN isn't that attractive anymore.

The talent pool has dried up.

PLUS technology has evolved so rapidly who could keep up,??than you have the use of RICO and Wit-sec.

I agree the commission would have to be intact for all the families to survive.

They would have to bring in their sons, cousins, nephews etc.
Like Massino did in the late 90's early 2000's, Massino made as many family members as he could
Also marry off daughters etc.

Old world stuff.

Either that or they will have to restructure and maybe merge everyone into one family.

One thing is 4-sure they will survive as they have for the past 100 years

Not many businesses have been around for 100 years.

Think about it how many can you name
And most that are the Gov't saved them from being defunct.

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