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MS-13 gang -Murders #930335
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200 Murders by MS-13 in 22 States since 2012, Claims Report

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I guess most of the victims are innocent civilians...

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Over hype Ms-13 heavily.


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Serious question. Has anyone from MS-13 ever walked onto a school campus and shot 17 people?


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These guys are nuts. I swear every few months i read about a triple execution somewhere on long island its them. They have a strong presense in boston subs. The north shore and east boston. They havent come out toe worcester or springfiled yet. Or any other new england city(hartford or prov). They got trumps full attention thats why i thought the mafia would regroup. But they still getting takening out to. Last yr even if cases against the bosses are weak luchese and boanno . Chins son who may either be a big shot or the michael persico of the genovese family i think hes a capo just my guess.

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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
I guess most of the victims are innocent civilians...


On the Tucker Carson show it was mentioned that many of the victims were immigrants.

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Serious question. Has anyone from MS-13 ever walked onto a school campus and shot 17 people?


So according to your logic killing 200 people separately as opposed to killing 17 all together does not count and you want to be taken seriously by asking such a question. The loss of one life is enough to kick these monsters out of the country.

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If MS 13 ever changes their rules to get in to having to kill school kids in school that is what they would do. Until that day the answer is no.

There was a gang the rule to get in they had to cut up someone’s face with a knife to become a member remember that one?

There was another gang they had to sucker punch innocent people why they were walking and then put it,on youtube.

See in my day they didn’t do that because their was no money in doing that.

But they did walk into a business like a candy store or a bread shop like Ragunas bakery and just take it over. They would tell the owner they were their new partner. And sell them on the idea why it was good business to do it. Like they can make more money or they can get beat like a dog if they refuse. Like they did in the old days in the black hand.

When my friend bought celentos Italian deli when it became Spanish Harlem. He knew to be the local fence for stolen goods. Why because the local thieves needed him so he would not get robbed by them. That is why people came in all day long. For the food which was good and to buy stuff likes jewelry and guns at an reasonable price.


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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
I guess most of the victims are innocent civilians...

What gave you that impression?

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Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Serious question. Has anyone from MS-13 ever walked onto a school campus and shot 17 people?


So according to your logic killing 200 people separately as opposed to killing 17 all together does not count and you want to be taken seriously by asking such a question. The loss of one life is enough to kick these monsters out of the country.


No, I asked if anyone in MS-13 has ever walked onto a school campus and killed 17 people in one fell swoop. Clearly the answer is no. Carry on.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
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Serious question. Has anyone from MS-13 ever walked onto a school campus and shot 17 people?


So according to your logic killing 200 people separately as opposed to killing 17 all together does not count and you want to be taken seriously by asking such a question. The loss of one life is enough to kick these monsters out of the country.


No, I asked if anyone in MS-13 has ever walked onto a school campus and killed 17 people in one fell swoop. Clearly the answer is no. Carry on.


MS-13 has murdered over 200 people and you jump to their defense by saying at least they don't shoot up schools!!! They kill many school age kids, as they recently did in New York, and they do it several at time in many cases.

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Originally Posted by RollinBones
Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
I guess most of the victims are innocent civilians...

What gave you that impression?

Many of the articals i read about them and the news about are when they kill and most of the victims were civilians...
I even remember 3 girls who i think played basketball were murderd by 3 ms 13 members last year i think it was

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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Over hype Ms-13 heavily.


They’re way overhyped for political reasons.

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/ms-13-spreads-its-brand-of-violence-in-us_2447013.html

MS-13 Spreads Its Brand of Violence in US
Estimated 10,000 members in US live by motto ‘kill, rape, control’

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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Serious question. Has anyone from MS-13 ever walked onto a school campus and shot 17 people?


So according to your logic killing 200 people separately as opposed to killing 17 all together does not count and you want to be taken seriously by asking such a question. The loss of one life is enough to kick these monsters out of the country.


No, I asked if anyone in MS-13 has ever walked onto a school campus and killed 17 people in one fell swoop. Clearly the answer is no. Carry on.


MS-13 has murdered over 200 people and you jump to their defense by saying at least they don't shoot up schools!!! They kill many school age kids, as they recently did in New York, and they do it several at time in many cases.


I didn't jump to anyone's defense. I asked a question.

Also, most of MS-13's murders, nearly all, in fact, are in the commission of another crime. For instance, it's gang or drug related. In mass shootings, innocent people are the targets.


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Originally Posted by SoCalGangs
Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Over hype Ms-13 heavily.


They’re way overhyped for political reasons.



Thank You !. I met a MS-13 in Batesville. He was from Houston area and we talk for abit. Hope he's doing well now that I think about it. The violence associated with them is overhype and it's more precise in Honduras & El Salvador though. In the U.S their presence is limited to specific Latino communities. Even then their rivalries vary from city to city.


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Originally Posted by SoCalGangs
Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Over hype Ms-13 heavily.


They’re way overhyped for political reasons.



Demogogues are gonna demogogue...


7 Things the Trump Administration Gets Wrong about MS13
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/7-things-trump-administration-wrong-ms13/


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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?



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It’s irritating that MS13 has been this hyped up in the media. 200 murdered linked to them in 5 years yet supposedly they have 10,000 members nationwide. That almost confirms what I’ve always believed, that the average MS13 member isn’t so scary after all. I’m not meaning to be callus towards any victims but that number sounds low for a gang supposedly that big. You could probably tally up large sounding numbers for any major US gang if you really wanted to. On top of that, MS13 is barely a single gang. It’s more like a brand with hundreds of cliques spread around the country. They all see themselves as one but in practice they’re mostly not. Once in a while a few of them will commit some brutal murder that grabs headlines, making it seem like they’re all like that but they’re just not. I wonder if they gain more attention out in states and cities where there’s less competition for them. In LA no other gangs are in fear of MS13. I’m not saying they’re all soft but it’s not like they’re in a league of their own when it comes to fighting other gangs.

Nobody mistake this for me DEFENDING MS13 as being good guys, I’m not. I don’t feel sorry for any of them that commit violent crimes and get deported. I just get tired of them being hyped up like they’re something they aren’t. They just happen to be a gang that recruits illegal immigrants which then get deported and spread the gang back in El Salvador and around the country which is why they get more attention.

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Interesting unintended consequence to all the hype:

The federal government may inadvertantly be helping MS-13 to recruit
https://www.economist.com/news/unit...oin-one-most-fearsome-reputation-federal

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I agree about the MS 13 overhype . Are they a problem that requires a federal strategy to check them ? absolutely ! but gang
Violence today is a shadow of its former self . I agree with the strategy of deporting the hell out of them but at the
Same time if you are really serious about reducing their strength then we have to
Work for directly with the countries we are deporting them back too. Need a relentless, well thought out 2 prong attack so
They feel the pressure everywhere

I believe under the Obama admin they developed a new program where we worked directly with the Hondorus govt to re structure their prison system
By building new max security ones and making prison life very difficult for serious violent offenders and it had
Incredible results as the leaders were cut off under new max security conditions. It cost money but ended
Up saving a lot more as well as materially reducing the murder rate.

I’m not sure where that program stands today but given it required USA support I suspect might be cut off in the near future
But I could be wrong on that.

A strategy of fuck other countries, fuck working together, USA only strategy does have a nice sound bite , but a sound bite isn’t a strategy
And are basically short cuts to actual thinking and problem solving.

Soon NYC monthly murder rate in early 1990s will be our annual murder rate. Things are very good right now outside of
The crazy young white kid looking to kill indiscriminately which is pretty crazy when you think about it . The script has been flipped it seems

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Originally Posted by DB


Soon NYC monthly murder rate in early 1990s will be our annual murder rate. Things are very good right now outside of
The crazy young white kid looking to kill indiscriminately which is pretty crazy when you think about it . The script has been flipped it seems


We were just discussing this the other day IRL, in light of the latest school shooting. Why does this seem to be a primarily white kid thing in the US? What is the reason? It's a subject that deserves some research. We've certainly had enough to give us a good study group to look at.

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Originally Posted by helenwheels
Originally Posted by DB


Soon NYC monthly murder rate in early 1990s will be our annual murder rate. Things are very good right now outside of
The crazy young white kid looking to kill indiscriminately which is pretty crazy when you think about it . The script has been flipped it seems


We were just discussing this the other day IRL, in light of the latest school shooting. Why does this seem to be a primarily white kid thing in the US? What is the reason? It's a subject that deserves some research. We've certainly had enough to give us a good study group to look at.



Nikolas Cruz was Hispanic, not White. It is in many cases White people in the mass shootings, I agree on that.

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In most gangs there are different groups in each gang. You got your thieves, you got the guys who sell drugs, you also have guys who do the heavy work kill.

You can’t make a lot of money just doing hits. It doesn’t take brains to kill someone anybody can do it if you are a little fucked up in the head and it gets much easier once you get used to it. Not everyone can do it.

It does take brains to be a good thief.

It takes brains to sell drugs and not get burned yourself. I knew people who could not make money doing it so they stopped.

It takes being very smart to distribute drugs and get away with it.

It is very rare to have a guy do all three. 10000 guys who kill. If you have a guy who kills he would do it more then once. So two hundred murders is very low.


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The Latin kings have been around for a long long time since I was young. There are guys in it who are close to my age. They had children who are also in the game.

They do a lot if things but not all of them. Some are into legit business.

My youngest son had a problem with a Latin king. He was sitting with a friend my son at one time thought everyone was a friend unfortunately. Car pulls full of young Latin Kings. His so called friend seeing them and runs away. My son did not think to run away with him. His friend had a reason to run.

Any way they started to beat on my son with screw drivers and baseball bats. What saved him was wearing a heavy coat and he could fight he was the BJJ guy. He got away but they broke his arm from getting hit with the bat.

I am home I did not notice he got hurt he just went to bed.

Next day some if his friends came over to ask how he was. That is how I learned he was in a fight and got hurt.

So I took him to the hospital to get his arm fixed. He was afraid to tell me he got hurt.

Then I asked him about what happened. His friends told me his so called friend started with a girl whose brother was a Latin king. I found out where she lived. She lived with her mother the brother lived some where else.

My son went there the mother did not want to listen to him.

6 months later I heard she had a ups delivery guy come to their house, he killed everyone in her house killed the mother and daughter. The Latin king was not there.


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Originally Posted by Footreads
The Latin kings have been around for a long long time since I was young. There are guys in it who are close to my age. They had children who are also in the game.

They do a lot if things but not all of them. Some are into legit business.

My youngest son had a problem with a Latin king. He was sitting with a friend my son at one time thought everyone was a friend unfortunately. Car pulls full of young Latin Kings. His so called friend seeing them and runs away. My son did not think to run away with him. His friend had a reason to run.

Any way they started to beat on my son with screw drivers and baseball bats. What saved him was wearing a heavy coat and he could fight he was the BJJ guy. He got away but they broke his arm from getting hit with the bat.

I am home I did not notice he got hurt he just went to bed.

Next day some if his friends came over to ask how he was. That is how I learned he was in a fight and got hurt.

So I took him to the hospital to get his arm fixed. He was afraid to tell me he got hurt.

Then I asked him about what happened. His friends told me his so called friend started with a girl whose brother was a Latin king. I found out where she lived. She lived with her mother the brother lived some where else.

My son went there the mother did not want to listen to him.

6 months later I heard she had a ups delivery guy come to their house, he killed everyone in her house killed the mother and daughter. The Latin king was not there.


I will remain silent on this as I know that is gang tactic, but was your son truthful? There is a reason I hate cops and the secret service paid a visit to me, and why I denounce Dallas, and applause Baton Rouge. There is also an old trick that cops use, I won't go into details, but it makes them a domestic enemy to the United States, just saying that makes me want to play darts, Triple 9 is a good game to play.


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Secret service paying you a visit that is serious stuff..........were you the guy behind the grassy knoll ?

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one of these scumbags killed a 14 year old girl with a baseball bat, and they do shit like this on a regular basis. 3-4 bodies being found at a time left behind by these fucking animals. So many murders in Long Island contributed to MS-13 and hardly any of the victims out of their teens

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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by helenwheels
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Soon NYC monthly murder rate in early 1990s will be our annual murder rate. Things are very good right now outside of
The crazy young white kid looking to kill indiscriminately which is pretty crazy when you think about it . The script has been flipped it seems


We were just discussing this the other day IRL, in light of the latest school shooting. Why does this seem to be a primarily white kid thing in the US? What is the reason? It's a subject that deserves some research. We've certainly had enough to give us a good study group to look at.



Nikolas Cruz was Hispanic, not White. It is in many cases White people in the mass shootings, I agree on that.


lol. Hispanics are white. Hispanic and Latinos are self identified segments of the white population. Hispanics can choose to claim their European ancestry or their native American-Spanish ancestry (Latino). So, it was up to Cruz. It's unknown which he identified as.

All this being said, Cruz was adopted, anyway. It'a also unknown whether Cruz was his adopted name or his birth name.


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I got the real story from his friends. He actually did go to her house to talk to the daughter and her mother. She did not talk to him. I could guess why she is getting money from her son and she did not want to rat on him. So that is what happens when you act like that. No the cops definately did not do it.

I hat cops as well but I had my reasons. I took beating from them. Among other things.


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Re: MS-13 gang -Murders [Re: jace] #930787
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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by helenwheels
Originally Posted by DB


Soon NYC monthly murder rate in early 1990s will be our annual murder rate. Things are very good right now outside of
The crazy young white kid looking to kill indiscriminately which is pretty crazy when you think about it . The script has been flipped it seems


We were just discussing this the other day IRL, in light of the latest school shooting. Why does this seem to be a primarily white kid thing in the US? What is the reason? It's a subject that deserves some research. We've certainly had enough to give us a good study group to look at.



Nikolas Cruz was Hispanic, not White. It is in many cases White people in the mass shootings, I agree on that.


47 percent of all mass shootings since 2000 have been committed by non whites — ex. San Bernardino, the Pulse Night Club, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech and other.

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