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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #924812
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Originally Posted By: Hollander
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Any idea who he is?

Mirarchi has close ties to Calabrian groups in Ontario, including one Toronto-area businessman who was on the alleged Rizzuto clan’s hit list in the 1990s.


From which article, book, blog, etc. are you quoting? The decade--1990s--doesn't sound right, especially because the Commissos in the GTA helped the Montreal Mafia expand in Ontario in the late 1990s.


http://torontosun.com/2012/08/05/mob-chi...8f-338b36a1935f


I think the key words are "alleged" and "hit list"; "alleged" might be understood by some as referring to an alleged Rizzuto clan, but that would be a misreading.

Lamberti and some others--reporters, organized-crime authors--strongly believe that the Montreal Mafia leadership (maybe Vito Rizzuto alone?) felt that the best way to expand into Ontario in the 1990s was to arrange to have Ontario-based made members of the Buffalo Family murdered. I don't subscribe to that theory, which purports to explain why Enio Mora, Johnny Papalia, and Carm Barillaro were murdered in succession between September 1996 and July 1997.

I am especially skeptical of the following account in Mafia inc:

In the 1990s, [Enio] Mora borrowed $7.2 million from Vito Rizzuto and gave the bulk of the money to [John] Papalia and Carmen Barillaro. Johnny Pops used the funds to open an upscale restaurant on Avenue Road in Toronto and a similarly posh nightclub in the city’s west end. The rest of the money disappeared. The Rizzuto clan demanded to be repaid but got nowhere. “They can’t touch us,” Barillaro boasted. That was a mistake.

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There is another way to interpret that sentence from Lamberti's article. The article earlier states the following:

Initially, Rizzuto’s move into Ontario was marked with the murders of Carmen Barillaro and Johnny “Pops” Papalia in 1997.

Police also know there was a hit list that wasn’t completed. The list included a number of other GTA and Niagara area Calabrian mobsters, particularly four related to three Violi brothers who were killed between 1976 and 1980 during the Rizzuto family’s rise to power in Montreal.

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The Toronto-area businessman could be a reference to Rocco Remo Commisso, as Ken Murdock claims to have warned Remo that the latter was on Pat Musitano's hit list. Compare this claim with the following information from The Sixth Family (2014 edition, p. 320):

Vito [Rizzuto] searched for a strong group with an impeccable pedigree with whom to forge an alliance with in Ontario. Shunning the Sixth Family's traditional fondness for keeping their affairs closely Sicilian, he found the perfect coupling in the Commisso family. Based around three brothers, Cosimo, Rocco Remo, and Michele, the Commissos had immigrated to Toronto from Calabria in 1961 and were about as street strong in Toronto as any mob clan could expect. The stage seemed set for the Sixth Family to make its move.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924815
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Good stuff antimafia! It seems to me Antonio Mirarchi had the connections before his son came up under Desjardins.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924818
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
In the 1990s, [Enio] Mora borrowed $7.2 million from Vito Rizzuto and gave the bulk of the money to [John] Papalia and Carmen Barillaro. Johnny Pops used the funds to open an upscale restaurant on Avenue Road in Toronto and a similarly posh nightclub in the city’s west end. The rest of the money disappeared. The Rizzuto clan demanded to be repaid but got nowhere. “They can’t touch us,” Barillaro boasted. That was a mistake.


Call them dumb or stupid but that took some balls.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #924819
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Originally Posted By: Hollander
Good stuff antimafia! It seems to me Antonio Mirarchi had the connections before his son came up under Desjardins.


There is nothing remarkable about Italian mobsters in Quebec and Ontario having connections to one another.

I might have missed the sources that state Antonio Mirarchi had ties to Calabrian crime groups or Calabrian organized-crime figures in Ontario -- I recall reading only that he had ties to the Hells in Quebec, as well as to Desjardins of course. Given that Vittorio has strong ties to individuals in Ottawa -- maybe even the Siderno Group 'ndrina in that city -- I will assume his father did too because of the proximity of the two cities. I am merely guessing that, despite Vittorio's younger age, his network of contacts is more extensive than his father's ever was.

One day, I hope there will be solid intelligence revealed about the supposed 2011 meeting in Quebec between people from Ontario and people in the Montreal area during which the former were angry or upset and abruptly left -- one thread this was discussed will be found here: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post625058.

If anyone can jog my memory about which article mentioned the meeting -- I think only one article did, one in French -- I would be very appreciative. Thanks.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: dixiemafia] #924820
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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Originally Posted By: antimafia
In the 1990s, [Enio] Mora borrowed $7.2 million from Vito Rizzuto and gave the bulk of the money to [John] Papalia and Carmen Barillaro. Johnny Pops used the funds to open an upscale restaurant on Avenue Road in Toronto and a similarly posh nightclub in the city’s west end. The rest of the money disappeared. The Rizzuto clan demanded to be repaid but got nowhere. “They can’t touch us,” Barillaro boasted. That was a mistake.


Call them dumb or stupid but that took some balls.


If it happened, dix. If it happened. :-)

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924838
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Mirarchi hails from Isca sullo Ionio in Catanzaro.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924854
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Is the Montreal mafia on the verge of another shakeup with release of Vittorio Mirarchi

http://aboutthemafia.com/is-the-montreal...ttorio-mirarchi

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924855
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I usually leave this to you guys, you know all the players, but if this guy is a Cocaine importer, PAY ATTENTION TO HIM, he will have power if he still has those contacts, someone will probably court him before they kill him.


Suppliers, importers, guys that control distribution. These people will always have power in syndicates based around narcotics trafficking.

I'm watching this guy closely...

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924856
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To kill him is the only way, because in Canada sentences are pretty soft even Mom Boucher is eligible for parole in 10 years. I also think they still have major influence in the unions.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924874
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Cabrini, thing is more than one person is pushing drugs into Montreal. He is not the only one. He'll definitely be welcomed by the Desjardins side, but the Rizzuto's will more than likely be after him.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: thebigfella] #924878
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
So who really killed Giordano? Who tried to kill del baso? Who is the arcade faction loyal to? Can anyone post the current structure of the rizzutos family to the best of your knowledge?


Giordano(Killed),DelBalso and Arcadi are with the Rizzuto's.

According to news sources, allegedly some of the clans or cells opposing the Rizzuto's are Mirarchi/Desjardins, the Silvano brothers,the Bastone brothers, Devito(dead)/Succapane clan and possibily the Scoppa brothers.
You also had Sal Montagna(killed)/Arcuri brothers at one point.
Some of these groups may have the backing of the Toronto & Hamilton Ndrangheta.
The Silvano brothers took over the D'amico territory Granby/Lachine/Ottawa,they also tried to take control of the cocaine distribution in the Maritimes,a section of Montreal and Ontario.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924879
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Does anyone know if Nick Nero was made and into what family?


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: The_Rooster] #924880
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Originally Posted By: The_Rooster
Does anyone know if Nick Nero was made and into what family?


One news article I read refers to him as a gang boss. He has ties to Amero a BC Hells Angel. Also has ties to Martino Caputo, who has ties to Libori Cun-trera. So I would put him on the Rizzuto side. Also has ties to the Irish west end Gang Montreal and street gangs.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924881
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Interesting, hes from Niagara Falls right? Plus smuggling from NY borders. Would figure him to be with Hamilton/Toronto

So Caputo was a rep for Rizzutos in Toronto?

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: The_Rooster] #924885
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Originally Posted By: The_Rooster
Interesting, hes from Niagara Falls right? Plus smuggling from NY borders. Would figure him to be with Hamilton/Toronto

So Caputo was a rep for Rizzutos in Toronto?


http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...roject-clemenza

If you look at the news article arrests were made in three stages.
At the bottom of the article they lump people from opposing camps all together. I tried to find out who is in what camp and I remember one article mentioning Caputo getting arrested with Liborio. Let me find that article to be double sure I will get back to you.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: The_Rooster] #924886
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Originally Posted By: The_Rooster
Interesting, hes from Niagara Falls right? Plus smuggling from NY borders. Would figure him to be with Hamilton/Toronto

So Caputo was a rep for Rizzutos in Toronto?



Here is the article. I am assuming they are all from the same drug ring.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-s-project-clemenza-breaks-up-cocaine-trafficking-ring-1.2897241

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924887
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Good read. Charges stayed means dismissed or a holding pattern? (If you know)

Canada has such a lenient and forgiving justice system, hard for us in the States to even comprehend.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: The_Rooster] #924889
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Originally Posted By: The_Rooster
Good read. Charges stayed means dismissed or a holding pattern? (If you know)

Canada has such a lenient and forgiving justice system, hard for us in the States to even comprehend.


I agree, it is like a revolving door.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924893
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This thread should be finalized. This shit aint a mob war anymore its drug gangs and bikers and all types of shit except organized crime rite?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924917
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I read an article that said the reason why the violence has slowed is because the rizzutos have new leaders but he wouldn't divulge name, any idea who this might be?


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
I read an article that said the reason why the violence has slowed is because the rizzutos have new leaders but he wouldn't divulge name, any idea who this might be?


Whether or not there are news leaders is just speculation for now, a slow down in violence is nothing new.It has happened a few times before. I can't see a permanent cease fire because there are many who sit at the decision table of the Rizzuto clan that have lost a parent or a relative from this warring.
Was this a recent article ?

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #924943
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According to @IsabelleRicher of Radio-Canada, the mafioso Francesco Del Balso made a request to the superior court to get out of prison. But the Court rejected his request. Del Balso is returned to prison because of a breach of condition earlier this year.

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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/12/19/le-mafioso-del-balso-deboute-en-cour-superieure

Mafioso Del Balso request dismissed in Superior Court

Here is a related English article on his breach of his realease:

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...ting-his-family

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https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zm3y4...he-hells-angels

How Canada’s Most Prolific Hit Man Turned Informant on the Hells Angels

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Mafia montréalaise: un présumé garde du corps condamné à 28 mois

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...e-a-28-mois.php

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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Mafia montréalaise: un présumé garde du corps condamné à 28 mois

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...e-a-28-mois.php


Will see how long this truce will last.

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Catalano any relation to Toto Catalano?

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Catalano any relation to Toto Catalano?


I don't think so, all I know he is one of the guys who was involved in the kidnapping of Nino De Bartolomeis.

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Fires in Montreal: the number of victims on the rise

As of December 25, criminal fire investigators had opened about 820 cases this year, compared with 572 for the same period in 2016. Of the approximately 820 fires this year, about 500 are considered criminal or suspicious.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...a-la-hausse.php

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