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I was reading an article about Marcel Habran ( http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...e-marcel-habran ) the other day , which piqued my interest in the Belgian organized crime scene .

I'd be especially interested in hearing about the state of OC in Wallonia , since I assume there are plenty of Dutch/Dutch speaking groups in Flanders , it's northern tip being the heart of ecstasy country and all .

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The Sicilians in Liège have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


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Originally Posted By: Hollander
The Sicilians in Liège have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


Salvatore Catalano, 66, from Lercara Friddi (Palermo) has been shot dead into a bar in Liege (Belgium). He is the latest victim of a feud between Sicilian clans in the Belgian city.


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The globalisation of Organized Crime. No less than 79 different nationalities are involved in organized crime in Belgium. With 24 organizations, the Italian underworld is still the largest foreign criminal circuit in Belgium. The new generation of Italian maffiosi is on the stock market and in the financial world.'Immediately after the Italian organizations follow Dutch (6 percent), Moroccan (5 percent) and Albanian groups (5 percent). "The systematic increase of Albanian criminal organizations in Belgium is the most striking finding in the annual report," says Paternotte. "Year after year, they succeed in expanding their activities. In 1997, Albanian groups began street crime, but later they became involved in heroin and women trafficking, prostitution and organized thefts. They go very opportunistly and use more violence than other groups. "


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I believe the Albanians would be top dogs if it werent for the small population. There are only 8-10 million albanians in the whole world together and maybe 20-30 % of them have lived in Italy,Turkey,Greece for so long that they are not considerd albanians anymore. And yet they have a very strong presence everywhere in Europe. If there would be like 50-60 million Albanians i think they would dominate.

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From what I've seen ( a Belgian map on organised crime) 6 or 7 italian (cosa nostra, Camorra, Ndrangheta) families are active in Belgium (Liege, Charleroi, Brussels) - 3 families are active in the northern part of the counry in a small city called Genk (which has a large italian population) - they are very low key there
Other than that there is also italian/belgian organised crime ran by the family Aquino but most of them got busted and they ar in jail now - can't say if they still run their business from jail
In the 90's La stidda was active in Liege - Stidda means star - Those sicilians had a pretty good sense of humor because they called their bar "l'etoile du sud" which means the star from the south

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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
I believe the Albanians would be top dogs if it werent for the small population. There are only 8-10 million albanians in the whole world together and maybe 20-30 % of them have lived in Italy,Turkey,Greece for so long that they are not considerd albanians anymore. And yet they have a very strong presence everywhere in Europe. If there would be like 50-60 million Albanians i think they would dominate.


it's not a matter of numbers but organization
the albanians are not so organized and sophisticated
in europe they have a heavy presence, yes, but they are involved only in prosdtitution and drug trafficking
italian mafia in the states was politically entrenched in the 1930s and it appeared only 30 years before

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The albanians have one thing that keeps them down. They cannot se one another as a boss. They cannot take orders from one another, if its not family. There is plenty examples in Albania/Kosovo where families have been wiped out in feuds with eachother just because some guy have talked in a "boss" way to the other.

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Back to the topic.. You think Belgium is nr1 drug market in Europe now? Ive heard that its the biggest coke market in wholesale distribution.

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I know most of the coke still arrives in Spain
nr 1 Drug market - who knows
Belgium has an excellent location though - right in the center
England on the left - France in the south - The netherlands up north & germany on the right
+ compared to other countries not a very sophisticated police system that is able to cope with organised crime on the highest level
We don't have an organised crime task force or FBI or ATF like in the states.
no Rico - no witsec ect...
you could say it's almost paradise for organised crime

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The Russian mob recruited several Belgians. These fourteen men and women are just some of the little hands without which a gigantic global banking scam would have been impossible. This criminal organization has taken over a colossal $ 300 million over a period of 24 months

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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.

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http://www.brusselstimes.com/rss-feed/9551/more-than-200-organised-crime-cases-in-belgium



36 cases (14%) involve defendants who are part of a “recognised organisation”, such as the Albanian clan (4.4%), the Turkish clan (4%), the Italian mafia (2%), a criminal biker gang (2%) or a South American cartel (2%), the Minister said.

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Originally Posted By: Jules_X
I know most of the coke still arrives in Spain


I would say the ports of Rotterdam and Antwerp.


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According to Roberto Saviano in "Zero Zero Zero" it is Spain

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Originally Posted By: Jules_X
According to Roberto Saviano in "Zero Zero Zero" it is Spain


Most of the cocaine passes through Rotterdam.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/20...-a-record-high/


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Those four tonnes from Costa Rica were linked to the 'ndrangheta.


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Can you find a link on that please?

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Originally Posted By: Hollander
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The Sicilians in Liège have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


Salvatore Catalano, 66, from Lercara Friddi (Palermo) has been shot dead into a bar in Liege (Belgium). He is the latest victim of a feud between Sicilian clans in the Belgian city.


The failed attempt, in Favara, on Carmelo Nicotra is also related to this feud. The ambush took place on the evening of May 23rd when killers armed with kalashnikovs and guns fired wildly in order to kill the Favarese. Nicotra was injured but survived.


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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .

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Belgian (Flemish and Wallon) criminals are still the largest group in the country about 40% in particular around Outlaw MC's.


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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .


Oh for sure there are native Belgian criminals. A fair amount actually. Most of them are into white collar crime though. Some prostitution and synthetic drugs are also common, even if the upper large scale trade in synthetic drugs is for the most part run by criminals from the Netherlands.

Heists have traditionally always been the territory of native Belgian criminals, mostly in the Walloon region of the country. This is a racket that has gone rather quiet though. Improved security...etc...I don't think anyone is willing of taking all that risk anymore.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .


Oh for sure there are native Belgian criminals. A fair amount actually. Most of them are into white collar crime though. Some prostitution and synthetic drugs are also common, even if the upper large scale trade in synthetic drugs is for the most part run by criminals from the Netherlands.

Heists have traditionally always been the territory of native Belgian criminals, mostly in the Walloon region of the country. This is a racket that has gone rather quiet though. Improved security...etc...I don't think anyone is willing of taking all that risk anymore.


I apologize if I'm being overly inquisitive/pedantic , but do Flemish gangsters tend to be part of or linked to " true " Dutch OC groups or is there a degree of separation ( i.e. OC groups exclusively composed of Flemish Dutch criminals ) ?

I'm asking because while I know that Flemish people speak Dutch , I've also heard that many Flemish people don't consider themselves to be Dutch and that some are hostile to so called " true " Dutch people . I'm just curious to know if this has any relevance within the Belgian underworld is all .

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https://www.crimesite.nl/maffia-controleert-drugshandel-vanuit-belgie/


Italian Mafia controls drug trafficking in from Belgium.

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Italian Mafia controls drug trafficking in from Belgium.


The Italian mafia controls European drug trafficking from the Belgian province of Limburg. That is what the Limburg attorney, Guido Vermeiren, says in a Christmas broadcast. The mafia operates from Limburg, via the ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam, according to Vermeiren.

The attorney says it like this: "You will not see them immediately. What is being done from here (Belgian Limburg - Crimesite editorial team) is organizing the major drug transports, including across Europe. If in Antwerp cocaine arrives in the port, part of it is ordered by Limburg gangs. There are problems in Antwerp, but actually the organization is often here. '

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Vermeiren continues: "I think there are a lot of historical reasons for this. That there are familial ties that still play a role, and then I speak about international connections with the Italian mafia structures. But I also think that there is an explanation in the fact that they did not address this in time. '

According to the prosecutor, a collaboration has now started between the Belgian and Italian authorities to combat drug trafficking.

The Italian mafia is also active in the Netherlands . In September of this year it became known that the Dutch police have rigged a team that focuses entirely on the Italian mafia. In mid-October, mafioso Saverio Tucci was found dead in his car in Amsterdam South. He would have been liquidated.


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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.


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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.



Do you know who was in charge of it?

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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.



Do you know who was in charge of it?


No police is still working on that, but they announced the seizure to prevent that guys think the stuff may be stolen and someone innocent gets hurt.


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A new record was set in Antwerp in 2017: 39.5 tonnes of cocaine were seized. That is 10 tonnes more than in 2016. 135 suspects were also arrested who would deal with drug trafficking. The federal judicial police (FGP) caught more than 10 million euros in money and possessions.


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