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I was reading an article about Marcel Habran ( http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...e-marcel-habran ) the other day , which piqued my interest in the Belgian organized crime scene .

I'd be especially interested in hearing about the state of OC in Wallonia , since I assume there are plenty of Dutch/Dutch speaking groups in Flanders , it's northern tip being the heart of ecstasy country and all .

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The Sicilians in LiŔge have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


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Originally Posted By: Hollander
The Sicilians in LiŔge have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


Salvatore Catalano, 66, from Lercara Friddi (Palermo) has been shot dead into a bar in Liege (Belgium). He is the latest victim of a feud between Sicilian clans in the Belgian city.


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The globalisation of Organized Crime. No less than 79 different nationalities are involved in organized crime in Belgium. With 24 organizations, the Italian underworld is still the largest foreign criminal circuit in Belgium. The new generation of Italian maffiosi is on the stock market and in the financial world.'Immediately after the Italian organizations follow Dutch (6 percent), Moroccan (5 percent) and Albanian groups (5 percent). "The systematic increase of Albanian criminal organizations in Belgium is the most striking finding in the annual report," says Paternotte. "Year after year, they succeed in expanding their activities. In 1997, Albanian groups began street crime, but later they became involved in heroin and women trafficking, prostitution and organized thefts. They go very opportunistly and use more violence than other groups. "


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I believe the Albanians would be top dogs if it werent for the small population. There are only 8-10 million albanians in the whole world together and maybe 20-30 % of them have lived in Italy,Turkey,Greece for so long that they are not considerd albanians anymore. And yet they have a very strong presence everywhere in Europe. If there would be like 50-60 million Albanians i think they would dominate.

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From what I've seen ( a Belgian map on organised crime) 6 or 7 italian (cosa nostra, Camorra, Ndrangheta) families are active in Belgium (Liege, Charleroi, Brussels) - 3 families are active in the northern part of the counry in a small city called Genk (which has a large italian population) - they are very low key there
Other than that there is also italian/belgian organised crime ran by the family Aquino but most of them got busted and they ar in jail now - can't say if they still run their business from jail
In the 90's La stidda was active in Liege - Stidda means star - Those sicilians had a pretty good sense of humor because they called their bar "l'etoile du sud" which means the star from the south

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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
I believe the Albanians would be top dogs if it werent for the small population. There are only 8-10 million albanians in the whole world together and maybe 20-30 % of them have lived in Italy,Turkey,Greece for so long that they are not considerd albanians anymore. And yet they have a very strong presence everywhere in Europe. If there would be like 50-60 million Albanians i think they would dominate.


it's not a matter of numbers but organization
the albanians are not so organized and sophisticated
in europe they have a heavy presence, yes, but they are involved only in prosdtitution and drug trafficking
italian mafia in the states was politically entrenched in the 1930s and it appeared only 30 years before

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The albanians have one thing that keeps them down. They cannot se one another as a boss. They cannot take orders from one another, if its not family. There is plenty examples in Albania/Kosovo where families have been wiped out in feuds with eachother just because some guy have talked in a "boss" way to the other.

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Back to the topic.. You think Belgium is nr1 drug market in Europe now? Ive heard that its the biggest coke market in wholesale distribution.

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I know most of the coke still arrives in Spain
nr 1 Drug market - who knows
Belgium has an excellent location though - right in the center
England on the left - France in the south - The netherlands up north & germany on the right
+ compared to other countries not a very sophisticated police system that is able to cope with organised crime on the highest level
We don't have an organised crime task force or FBI or ATF like in the states.
no Rico - no witsec ect...
you could say it's almost paradise for organised crime

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The Russian mob recruited several Belgians. These fourteen men and women are just some of the little hands without which a gigantic global banking scam would have been impossible. This criminal organization has taken over a colossal $ 300 million over a period of 24 months

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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.

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http://www.brusselstimes.com/rss-feed/9551/more-than-200-organised-crime-cases-in-belgium



36 cases (14%) involve defendants who are part of a ôrecognised organisationö, such as the Albanian clan (4.4%), the Turkish clan (4%), the Italian mafia (2%), a criminal biker gang (2%) or a South American cartel (2%), the Minister said.

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Originally Posted By: Jules_X
I know most of the coke still arrives in Spain


I would say the ports of Rotterdam and Antwerp.


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According to Roberto Saviano in "Zero Zero Zero" it is Spain

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Originally Posted By: Jules_X
According to Roberto Saviano in "Zero Zero Zero" it is Spain


Most of the cocaine passes through Rotterdam.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/20...-a-record-high/


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Those four tonnes from Costa Rica were linked to the 'ndrangheta.


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Can you find a link on that please?

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Originally Posted By: Hollander
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The Sicilians in LiŔge have been busy lately, three homicides, an assassination attempt and drug trafficking dismantled within a few months.


Salvatore Catalano, 66, from Lercara Friddi (Palermo) has been shot dead into a bar in Liege (Belgium). He is the latest victim of a feud between Sicilian clans in the Belgian city.


The failed attempt, in Favara, on Carmelo Nicotra is also related to this feud. The ambush took place on the evening of May 23rd when killers armed with kalashnikovs and guns fired wildly in order to kill the Favarese. Nicotra was injured but survived.


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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .

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Belgian (Flemish and Wallon) criminals are still the largest group in the country about 40% in particular around Outlaw MC's.


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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .


Oh for sure there are native Belgian criminals. A fair amount actually. Most of them are into white collar crime though. Some prostitution and synthetic drugs are also common, even if the upper large scale trade in synthetic drugs is for the most part run by criminals from the Netherlands.

Heists have traditionally always been the territory of native Belgian criminals, mostly in the Walloon region of the country. This is a racket that has gone rather quiet though. Improved security...etc...I don't think anyone is willing of taking all that risk anymore.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
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If we're talking about any active "groups" in Belgium? As far as I've come across:

Italians are #1
Belgium has a large Italian population of Sicilian, Calabrian and Neapolitan background (as well as a smaller amount of people from the Marche and Abruzze regions as well as Sardinia). Families and criminals linked to more than a handful of Sicilian mafia, Ndrangheta and Camorra clans are all active in Belgium and are all locally heavily involved in a wide range of criminal activities.

Dutch groups settle on a (maybe to some of you surprising) second place. Most will tell you that almost any Dutch criminal firm active over here has roots in the trailer parks of North Brabant and South Holland, but this isn't necessarily always the case. "Reizigers" (which is how they call indigenous Dutch people with roots in the trailer parks) are definitely involved, but so are many settled Dutch. Basically any border area in Flanders has a Dutch criminal firm active. They mostly concentrate on the drug trade (though some will dabble in other criminal activities as well) and, like the Italians, are pretty smart about it.

Groups from a Moroccan origin are mostly active in the big cities with a large Moroccan population. Antwerp, Brussels, the Charleroi region... On an organized scale, Antwerp is probably their main ground zero because more than a few families and criminals over there have moved beyond the usual "Moroccan petty drug dealer" stereotype and have been active in the reasonably higher level of narcotics import for a long time now. In general their role has become a bit exaggerated by the media though.

"Russian" groups made a lot of noise in the 90's, but they've been keeping quiet for a long time now. Back in the 90's they were mostly active in Antwerp and basically none of them were actually "Russian": the majority being Georgians, with a few groups of Chechen (who were mostly renowned for violent extortion), Armenian and Jewish background. Back in the 90's these groups were involved in a fair share of vices: a LOT of trade in counterfeit goods, extortion, prostitution, some fraud and robbery schemes, the occasional drug trade... Don't think they're highly active nowadays. Back in the 90's these groups had actual visible "turf", and those areas were mostly rather vibrant, but nowadays those same areas are completely dull and lifeless.

Turkish groups are active in basically any reasonably sized Turkish community. Most are divided due to their region of origin. For instance in North London and The Hague the Turkish OC is mostly controlled by criminals of a Kurdish background. Over here there aren't really a ton of Kurdish Turks, most of the Turks living here being from an ethnic Turkish (a ton of them being from the Black Sea region as well as the more central parts) background. Active in a variety of stuff.

Albanian groups made a lot of noise in the 90's and the early 2000's, but the past few years they've cooled down considerably. They're still active of course, mostly in Antwerp as well as Brussels and parts of Wallonia. They're involved a lot in prostitution and extortion (though not as frequent as in the 90's) as well as the occasional other vices.

Chinese OC is active in Antwerp's Chinatown. When I took a look around over there I was actually surprised how many "dodgy" types were just freely walking around over there.

Maybe another surprise to some, but many Greek communities over here have their own groups active as well. They're not loud and showy, but they're definitely active.

Occasionally a high level Irish or British gangster pops up in mostly Antwerp (there's at least one case of a powerful Dublin crime boss owning a pub over there), but they don't really conduct any blue-collar criminal activities here.

Outlaw motorcycle groups are active. The OMCG crews involved in more organized criminal activity here are mostly regulated from the Netherlands.


Are there any ethnically Wallon or French outfits active in Belgium today ? If I'm not mistaken many armed robbery " teams " that carried out big heists in France had links to Belgium in the past , which is why I"m asking .

Thanks for the information by the way .


Oh for sure there are native Belgian criminals. A fair amount actually. Most of them are into white collar crime though. Some prostitution and synthetic drugs are also common, even if the upper large scale trade in synthetic drugs is for the most part run by criminals from the Netherlands.

Heists have traditionally always been the territory of native Belgian criminals, mostly in the Walloon region of the country. This is a racket that has gone rather quiet though. Improved security...etc...I don't think anyone is willing of taking all that risk anymore.


I apologize if I'm being overly inquisitive/pedantic , but do Flemish gangsters tend to be part of or linked to " true " Dutch OC groups or is there a degree of separation ( i.e. OC groups exclusively composed of Flemish Dutch criminals ) ?

I'm asking because while I know that Flemish people speak Dutch , I've also heard that many Flemish people don't consider themselves to be Dutch and that some are hostile to so called " true " Dutch people . I'm just curious to know if this has any relevance within the Belgian underworld is all .

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Italian Mafia controls drug trafficking in from Belgium.

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Italian Mafia controls drug trafficking in from Belgium.


The Italian mafia controls European drug trafficking from the Belgian province of Limburg. That is what the Limburg attorney, Guido Vermeiren, says in a Christmas broadcast. The mafia operates from Limburg, via the ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam, according to Vermeiren.

The attorney says it like this: "You will not see them immediately. What is being done from here (Belgian Limburg - Crimesite editorial team) is organizing the major drug transports, including across Europe. If in Antwerp cocaine arrives in the port, part of it is ordered by Limburg gangs. There are problems in Antwerp, but actually the organization is often here. '

Family ties
Vermeiren continues: "I think there are a lot of historical reasons for this. That there are familial ties that still play a role, and then I speak about international connections with the Italian mafia structures. But I also think that there is an explanation in the fact that they did not address this in time. '

According to the prosecutor, a collaboration has now started between the Belgian and Italian authorities to combat drug trafficking.

The Italian mafia is also active in the Netherlands . In September of this year it became known that the Dutch police have rigged a team that focuses entirely on the Italian mafia. In mid-October, mafioso Saverio Tucci was found dead in his car in Amsterdam South. He would have been liquidated.


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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.


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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.



Do you know who was in charge of it?

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On New Year's Eve, Belgian Customs seized almost 7000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The batch was hidden in a container with a load of bananas. The cocaine was probably meant for the Netherlands, the police said.



Do you know who was in charge of it?


No police is still working on that, but they announced the seizure to prevent that guys think the stuff may be stolen and someone innocent gets hurt.


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A new record was set in Antwerp in 2017: 39.5 tonnes of cocaine were seized. That is 10 tonnes more than in 2016. 135 suspects were also arrested who would deal with drug trafficking. The federal judicial police (FGP) caught more than 10 million euros in money and possessions.


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At the end of April police conducted searches in Hainaut, but also in Namur, Li├Ęge and Luxembourg. They managed to dismantle a large-scale criminal organization active in drug trafficking, counterfeit money, human trafficking, money laundering and customs fraud.
Links have been established with mafia organizations. The Albanians controlled the cannabis plantations, the Italian mafia supplied the counterfeit notes. At the head of this network is Francis Leclaire. The man is 71 years old, he has a very surprising course since he starts as a hairdresser, he specializes in wigs and then, first reconversion, he turns to the textile sector in the 70s.
First, he is a simple importer of Asian t-shirts and then makes his own textiles. And he knows a meteoric rise. He becomes CEO of several factories. At the end of the 90s, Francis Leclaire is considered a pioneer in the textile revival. He is a visionary who manages to build faster than in India or Asia.


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antwerp - Belgian Customs has one of the largest drug seizures ever done in the port of Antwerp. In a container with calcium carbonate that was intended for a company in Kontich, more than 954 kilos of heroin was hidden. The party, which has a street value of 55 million euros, came from the port of Bandar Abbas in Iran.
In the container 57 bags with 15 kilos of drugs were found to be sitting, according to the Gazet van Antwerpen. The catch was last month, but has only recently been announced.
The Antwerp prosecutor's office and the federal police are investigating the smugglers behind the transport.


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Anyone familiar with the Georgian-Jewish Melikhov clan in Antwerp?


Jep, part of the Georgian mafia in Antwerp. Made quite a bit of noise in the 90's.

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In Antwerp the Audi A4 of a well-known drug criminal was burnt down at night, according to the Gazet van Antwerpen. The car burned completely. The fire threatened the adjacent buildings.
The incident happened in the Ledeganckstraat in Borgerhout. The fire brigade was unable to make any statements about the cause of the fire on Thursday morning. According to the Gazet, the fire points to a new attack in the Antwerp drug milieu. The car would be owned by Mohamed A., aka Debana (The Bee). This figure has a criminal past and according to newspaper sources is involved in an organization that would unload large-scale cocaine parties in the port of Antwerp.


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Mario Rizzo, one of them, is now repentant. He will shine a light on the feuds of the Sicilian Mafia in Wallonia.


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Last week the federal judicial police of Brussels managed to thwart a carefully planned robbery at a bank branch in Ixelles.
They arrested four men, they were anything but strangers to the courts. Three of them, Djurica Djordjevic (64), Koenraad Spitaels (61) and David Marloye (52) have each received several convictions for armed and violent robberies.
Djordjevic -alias Duckie- was already associated with Patrick Haemers in the 1980s and for decades was considered one of the most notorious robbers of our country. He would have been the brain behind a robbery at the mail sorting center of Charleroi X in 1989, even though he was never condemned for it.
Koenraad Spitaels was part of the gang around Marcel Habran, the godfather of the Liege criminal milieu. Together with several other perpetrators, he committed a robbery in 2000 to a cash transfer at the Findel airport in Luxembourg. It then came to a chase and a shooting. The man was sentenced to 20 years in prison and released only recently.
David Marloye also has a long trail of armed robbery. The fourth man, Abderafid BO (54), is less known.


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Fucking hell, those ancient guard bank robbers just keep on going lol

I remember Spitaels from the time when all of those professional robbers in Liege from Habran's entourage were whacking each other. Old habits die hard...

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Fucking hell, those ancient guard bank robbers just keep on going lol

I remember Spitaels from the time when all of those professional robbers in Liege from Habran's entourage were whacking each other. Old habits die hard...


I went to Liege a few times gritty, rough city LOL.


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Thieves in Belgium Steal More Than $1M Worth of Red Bull Drinks

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Fucking hell, those ancient guard bank robbers just keep on going lol

I remember Spitaels from the time when all of those professional robbers in Liege from Habran's entourage were whacking each other. Old habits die hard...


I went to Liege a few times gritty, rough city LOL.


I used to go to Liege quite often. The city isn't too bad and the nightlife scene is quite fun. One time I did see a guy who got stabbed outside a pizzeria lol.
Generally the situation has improved a lot in recent years and I never feel threatened going into Liege. It's still one of Belgium's thievery and robbery capitals tho.

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Fucking hell, those ancient guard bank robbers just keep on going lol

I remember Spitaels from the time when all of those professional robbers in Liege from Habran's entourage were whacking each other. Old habits die hard...


I went to Liege a few times gritty, rough city LOL.


I used to go to Liege quite often. The city isn't too bad and the nightlife scene is quite fun. One time I did see a guy who got stabbed outside a pizzeria lol.
Generally the situation has improved a lot in recent years and I never feel threatened going into Liege. It's still one of Belgium's thievery and robbery capitals tho.


Thanks I went there in the roaring nineties not long after the murder of Andr├ę Cools.


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Most of the Flemish guys work with the Dutch. Maybe one day Flanders will join us. grin


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Most of the Flemish guys work with the Dutch. Maybe one day Flanders will join us. grin


Trust me, you guys wouldn't even want the Flemish lol

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Almost 2 tons of cocaine in the port of Ghent
PUBLISHED ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2018 12:30

The Belgian authorities have discovered almost two tons of cocaine in the port of Ghent. The shipment was packed in three containers with tiles from Brazil.
There are 1,900 blocks of pressed cocaine found. The federal judicial police of East Flanders says the cocaine has a street value of 100 million euros. The investigation into the case is ongoing. No people have been arrested.
About half of the cocaine that enters Europe goes through the Belgian and Dutch ports.


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Since early 2017, authorities in ports in Latin America and the Caribbean have intercepted more than 50 tonnes of cocaine destined for Europe with the support of a container control program of the United Nations. More than half of that cocaine was destined for Belgium.


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Since early 2017, authorities in ports in Latin America and the Caribbean have intercepted more than 50 tonnes of cocaine destined for Europe with the support of a container control program of the United Nations. More than half of that cocaine was destined for Belgium.


Never knew that about Belgium, i always thought main entrance for drugs is Spain/Netherlands. Never thought about Belgium.


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The port of Antwerp is a major entrance; one of the most internationally active ports in Western Europe and for a developed country like Belgium it's remarkably easy to bribe a docker over there. A ton of big time criminal organizations use the port to smuggle in huge cocaine shipments: Italian, Dutch, Albanian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Turkish, Greek, Moroccan...crime groups have all been reported making use of the port. Most of the cocaine that enters the port is destined to be distributed in other regions of the Benelux. Local distribution in Antwerp is mostly handled by a handful criminal Moroccan families from the Borgerhout district.
The Greeks used to control the port. there wasn't a shipment of cocaine coming through without paying off the Greeks, but their activity has been on the low ever since they locked up Eleftherios Papadatos (who's probably about 80 years old at the moment).

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Just bought the book ''BORGEROKKO MAFIA''.. Has anyone over here already read it by any chance??

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I've read it. As with the Mocro-Maffia, I think the books are interesting for a curiosity read, but at the same time they're pompous and sensationalist. They want to make it seem like the "Mocro-Maffia" is this huge organized crime syndicate while in reality they're a bunch of cocaine dealers (and definitely big time dealers, but most of the time they're just one or two steps above street-level trafficking) that can turn on each other at any given moment. There's a lot of disorganization, hence a lot of violence and most of them don't stay on top for a very long time. In districts where there's a big Moroccan population, the street-level sales is overwhelmingly Moroccan which lend a few of them the opportunity to become wholesalers to the street dealers as well - the same way it's happened with the Antilleans as well in the Netherlands.
In a way it definitely is organized crime, but at the same time they still got a lot to learn. There's a ton of non-Moroccan groups operating at the moment in Belgium and the Netherlands that still move tons, while the Moroccan gangs - probably due to the fact that their population is incredibly clustered and in turn the violence is as well - garner way too much attention. Any "taking over" statement is a crock: it's extremely rare to see a clash between a Moroccan group and a group from another background, mostly because when it comes to the higher echelons above the street-level the Moroccan groups in reality still tend to keep to their own district and directly challenging other established groups is way too much of a risky move.
In Borgerhout a lot of the drug feuds are at the same time local family feuds, sometimes even between related families.

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There's a ton of non-Moroccan groups operating at the moment in Belgium and the Netherlands that still move tons, while the Moroccan gangs - probably due to the fact that their population is incredibly clustered and in turn the violence is as well - garner way too much attention.


Indeed. In the big Dutch newspaper the AD, it was written that the Justice Departement in Holland is of the opinion that South American cartels prefer to do business with the Albanians these days instead of the Moroccans because of all the attention they attract by all the feuding and killing..

https://www.crimesite.nl/albanezen-verdringen-marokkanen-op-drugsmarkt/

Have you ever been to Morocco yourself btw TKJ?? I have, a couple of times actually. To Al-Hoceima, Saïdia and for a very brief time Tanger.

It's incredible the houses they built over there, with money they've made over here. Even guys who only have social benefits, are somehow capable of building some very nice cribs. All the while, undermining our economy like crazy.. SMH grin

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The Moroccans do a good job in making headlines, but they never get the respect of the penose.


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I've been invited to Nador, where a lot of Moroccans over here seem to originate from, but never really had the time to go. I've been to Moroccan weddings a few times, which was nice enough, even though they're a lot more traditional than Turkish or Albanian weddings.

Yeah they invest like crazy over in Morocco. Some of those houses, aside from the fact that entire families live there, could be considered mansions over here.

Regardless of their shaky reputation, Moroccans are remarkably easy to get along with. I could make the same case for Turks, Kurds and Albanians to be honest. The difference is that Turks, Kurds and Albanians are basically respectful at all times, while Moroccans have to come to a certain age of wisdom. Unless you know them or one of their brothers or cousins personally, some of the younger Moroccan kids can annoy the heck out of you lol

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The Moroccans do a good job in making headlines, but they never get the respect of the penose.


The media likes to stir up everything. Even when it comes to the Albanians, there's a lot of sensationalist crap being thrown around. Whenever I read something like "Albanians control 60% of the cocaine market in the UK" I throw up in my mouth a little. Especially since the same newspaper can write an article two weeks before where they claim it's homegrown crime groups from Merseyside who import and distribute most of the cocaine. Popular journalism is a complete joke. To use the UK as an example, Albanians are no doubt involved in the distribution of cocaine in the UK, but the LARGE majority of the importation of the drug is done by local British groups that can be from anywhere in the UK.

Same with the Netherlands. There's still a lot of local Dutch outfits importing and moving that stuff by the truckload.

I guess they always need a certain catchphrase. First it's the Yugo's, then it's the Dutch Travellers, then it's the Yugo's again, then it's the Turks, then it's the Turkish Kurds, then it's the Albanians, then the Antilleans, then the Travellers again, then it's the Moroccans...and now we're back to the Albanians again...
Just wait until a Calabrian owner of some pizzeria in Maastricht gets arrested for cocaine trafficking. There'll be articles and reports on how the Ndrangheta took over the Dutch cocaine market in 3 days time for weeks to come.

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The police arrested five men after the interception of 4000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The container with the drugs was unloaded in Oosterhout, the Netherlands. Three men were arrested. In Belgium, two men were later arrested in the ages of 21 and 48 years.


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The police arrested five men after the interception of 4000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The container with the drugs was unloaded in Oosterhout, the Netherlands. Three men were arrested. In Belgium, two men were later arrested in the ages of 21 and 48 years.


They were behind several huge shipments, the Dutchman Paul van W. would have done business directly with members of the Clan del Golfo, the largest drug cartel in Colombia. He met them in Panama, among others, Colombian media reports. Paul had the interest of the DEA, after he had come on the radar for cocaine trafficking in 2011.
13 people were arrested the leader of the organization is an Italian woman known as La Donna.


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The police arrested five men after the interception of 4000 kilos of cocaine in the port of Antwerp. The container with the drugs was unloaded in Oosterhout, the Netherlands. Three men were arrested. In Belgium, two men were later arrested in the ages of 21 and 48 years.


They were behind several huge shipments, the Dutchman Paul van W. would have done business directly with members of the Clan del Golfo, the largest drug cartel in Colombia. He met them in Panama, among others, Colombian media reports. Paul had the interest of the DEA, after he had come on the radar for cocaine trafficking in 2011.
13 people were arrested the leader of the organization is an Italian woman known as La Donna.



This Italian woman known as La Donna. Did she belong to Ndrangheta, Camorra or Cosa Nostra? Or was she on her own, do you know?

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Is there any involvement in organized crime among members of Belgium's German community by the way ?

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They only said she is Italian we have to see when she goes on trial here, considering the major presence of the 'ndrangheta in Colombia to them most likely.

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BTW most Italian Colombians come from Salerno, Basilicata and Calabria.


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TKJ with all DNA research nowadays, why cant they solve the case of the Nijvel Gang? Do some people still want to stifle the whole affair?


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Don't get me started on that whole situation. It's a filthy mess. My best guess is that it was situated in the spheres of the Belgian military police at the time (gendarmerie/rijkswacht). It's very high up the food chain and the truth will never ever come out. It's a complete cover-up every time anybody gets too close to the truth.

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The boys in Antwerp are at it again. On Thursday in a burning car a dead man was found, north of the center. The identity of the victim is still unknown, according to the Gazet van Antwerpen .


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Yeah it's getting heated over there. According to a few researchers, the current drug scene in Antwerp is rife with informants.

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Yeah it's getting heated over there. According to a few researchers, the current drug scene in Antwerp is rife with informants.


In the international crime world, there has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the 'revelations' of the Dutch website Crimebron.nl, which labels two Antwerp cocaine smugglers as police informants of the American DEA.


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The man who was found last week in the trunk of a burning car on the Eilandje in Antwerp is a notorious French criminal, according to the Gazet van Antwerpen. It would be Mourad Kharbouch (34, alias The General).. Kharbouch is from Dunkirk. He is a well-known in the French drug environment and has been convicted several times. He already received a 10-year prison sentence.
Kharbouch was shot before he was put in the trunk of an Opel Corsa with French license plate.The French newspaper La Voix du Nord reports that Kharbouch was also tortured before he was shot dead.


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The Dutch police were able to realize a breakthrough in the Stefaan Bogaerts case. DNA had been found in the flight car, which had been burnt out in Barendrecht. And presumably on this basis the police kept a 47-year-old man from The Hague on Tuesday afternoon.
He is suspected of the murder of the Belgian businessman Stefaan Bogaerts, who was shot in his car in Rotterdam on 21 September 2017.
The 47-year-old man is a member of the outlaw club Calow Wagoh Main Triad, and is from The Hague.
The club, linked to the Crips, has been so much in the news lately in high-profile cases.
The suspects of the Panorama attack are also members of this organization, as well as one of the suspects who were involved in the liquidation of 'the brother of the crown witness' Reduan B.


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Belgian authorities say 57 police raids are ongoing in Belgium and six other European nations in a vast probe into financial fraud and match-fixing in soccer.

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Don't get me started on that whole situation. It's a filthy mess. My best guess is that it was situated in the spheres of the Belgian military police at the time (gendarmerie/rijkswacht). It's very high up the food chain and the truth will never ever come out. It's a complete cover-up every time anybody gets too close to the truth.


At least finally some progress !

In Belgium, a second former police detective who was involved in the investigation into the infamous Belgian Gang of Nivelles was arrested. It concerns the 70-year-old Francois A. from Halle, confirms the Public Prosecution Service. Last week, 62-year-old former Detective Philippe V. was arrested on suspicion of manipulating the investigation.


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Don't get me started on that whole situation. It's a filthy mess. My best guess is that it was situated in the spheres of the Belgian military police at the time (gendarmerie/rijkswacht). It's very high up the food chain and the truth will never ever come out. It's a complete cover-up every time anybody gets too close to the truth.


At least finally some progress !

In Belgium, a second former police detective who was involved in the investigation into the infamous Belgian Gang of Nivelles was arrested. It concerns the 70-year-old Francois A. from Halle, confirms the Public Prosecution Service. Last week, 62-year-old former Detective Philippe V. was arrested on suspicion of manipulating the investigation.


Here's hoping these aren't some insignificant nuggets they bring up just to let the public know they're still investigating this thing.
If anybody's interested in the Nivelles happenings, the "Bende van Nijvel" forum is quite interesting (it's in Dutch tho).

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It's been rather busy down my neck of the woods.

Close to me there were 3 dead people found in a warehouse that doubled as a lab for making synthetic drugs. All 3 of them were Dutch from Eindhoven and Valkenswaard. Links with the North Brabant underworld are assumed. The higher ups are probably from the "kamper" areas in the Eindhoven region, Oss, Roosendaal...or from St. Willebrord and are pretty much untouchable.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/01/29/doden-teruggevonden-bij-drugslabo-in-eksel/

Yesterday in the Brederodestraat in Antwerp an execution took place in broad daylight. Two Turkish cousins were shot by a Turkish-Kurdish man and his son near a Turkish cafe. One of the victims has been declared dead now. The perpetrators are the owners of an infamous Kurdish cafe.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/02/02/2-mensen-in-levensgevaar-na-schietpartij-in-antwerpen/

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He is one of the Sicilians from Li├Ęge. The Vancheris are major traffickers.


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Not sure if I've posted about this before. But the story of the Brabant killers is interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers

Some theorise that they had military and/or police connections.


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Colombian drug cartel seen behind 2017 murder of Belgian in Athens

http://www.ekathimerini.com/237433/...-behind-2017-murder-of-belgian-in-athens



The albanians are moving up allright

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Yeah they work with Dutch, Spanish, Italians.


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Netherlands has arrested drug lord Abdelhakime D. (61) from Antwerp and surrendered to Belgium. The Moroccan called 'the godfather of drug cafes' is wanted for large-scale cocaine traffic.


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The higher ups are probably from the "kamper" areas in the Eindhoven region, Oss, Roosendaal...or from St. Willebrord and are pretty much untouchable.


I'm listening to dutch caf├ę music, travellers love that stuff. grin


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The higher ups are probably from the "kamper" areas in the Eindhoven region, Oss, Roosendaal...or from St. Willebrord and are pretty much untouchable.


I'm listening to dutch caf├ę music, travellers love that stuff. grin


Hahaha yeah it's never a good idea to speak badly of Andr├ę Hazes when a Dutch Traveller is nearby grin

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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
It's been rather busy down my neck of the woods.

Close to me there were 3 dead people found in a warehouse that doubled as a lab for making synthetic drugs. All 3 of them were Dutch from Eindhoven and Valkenswaard. Links with the North Brabant underworld are assumed. The higher ups are probably from the "kamper" areas in the Eindhoven region, Oss, Roosendaal...or from St. Willebrord and are pretty much untouchable.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/01/29/doden-teruggevonden-bij-drugslabo-in-eksel/

Yesterday in the Brederodestraat in Antwerp an execution took place in broad daylight. Two Turkish cousins were shot by a Turkish-Kurdish man and his son near a Turkish cafe. One of the victims has been declared dead now. The perpetrators are the owners of an infamous Kurdish cafe.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/02/02/2-mensen-in-levensgevaar-na-schietpartij-in-antwerpen/



Does the untouchability of the higher ups mentioned above stem from their political connections ? Or are there other factors involved ?

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It's been rather busy down my neck of the woods.

Close to me there were 3 dead people found in a warehouse that doubled as a lab for making synthetic drugs. All 3 of them were Dutch from Eindhoven and Valkenswaard. Links with the North Brabant underworld are assumed. The higher ups are probably from the "kamper" areas in the Eindhoven region, Oss, Roosendaal...or from St. Willebrord and are pretty much untouchable.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/01/29/doden-teruggevonden-bij-drugslabo-in-eksel/

Yesterday in the Brederodestraat in Antwerp an execution took place in broad daylight. Two Turkish cousins were shot by a Turkish-Kurdish man and his son near a Turkish cafe. One of the victims has been declared dead now. The perpetrators are the owners of an infamous Kurdish cafe.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/02/02/2-mensen-in-levensgevaar-na-schietpartij-in-antwerpen/



Does the untouchability of the higher ups mentioned above stem from their political connections ? Or are there other factors involved ?


Hard to say. The Netherlands isn't Sicily, but in some communities in North Brabant, Limburg, South Holland...or even some of the Northern provinces there definitely does exist somewhat of a likewise culture; which of course can extend to local law enforcement and politics. By Western European standards some of the Dutch career criminals grew unusually big. You can't possibly get that big without connections of some sort.

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Does the untouchability of the higher ups mentioned above stem from their political connections ? Or are there other factors involved ?


Hard to say. The Netherlands isn't Sicily, but in some communities in North Brabant, Limburg, South Holland...or even some of the Northern provinces there definitely does exist somewhat of a likewise culture; which of course can extend to local law enforcement and politics. By Western European standards some of the Dutch career criminals grew unusually big. You can't possibly get that big without connections of some sort.


Holland doesn't have a federal police force and the southern provinces always have been a bit rebellious against dutch authorities lol.
They also make good use of the borders with Belgium and Germany.


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Also the sales value of ecstasy and amphetamine produced in the Netherlands amounts to at least 18.9 billion euros worldwide, of which at least 3 to 5 billion land in the pockets of those guys. With that kind of money it becomes much easier to be ┬┤untouchable┬┤.


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Also the sales value of ecstasy and amphetamine produced in the Netherlands amounts to at least 18.9 billion euros worldwide, of which at least 3 to 5 billion land in the pockets of those guys. With that kind of money it becomes much easier to be ┬┤untouchable┬┤.


Yeah it's crazy. Many of them also don't really flaunt their wealth and just prefer to live in their trailer and drink at the local bar as opposed to living in castle-like mansions.

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Belgian agent arrested for support of criminal gang
A detective of the Antwerp police was detained by the Antwerp investigating judge yesterday in the investigation into the Assyrian mafia family Y.

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Belgian agent arrested for support of criminal gang
Initial arrests preceded the arrest of the policeman. For example, fifteen members of the criminal Assyrian family Y. have already been arrested Tuesday at various locations in Belgium.

The investigation into the gang has been running since November 2017 and led to a series of 46 house searches on Tuesday, in which 15 people were arrested.

According to the Antwerp prosecution, the policeman is suspected of corruption, violation of his professional secrecy, abuse of trust and membership of a criminal organization. The inspector worked at the Handelsstraat office in the Antwerp district of Stuivenberg. Many members of the Assyrian family live there.

The gang of this Assyrian family Y. would not only have asked police officers to provide hand and sports services, but also a municipal officer and people working in the banking sector.

The gang would have dealt with drug smuggling, money laundering, weapons and corruption. According to the public prosecutor's office, the goal was not only to acquire a large wealth, but also to gain influence from the police, city services, the port, politics, banking and the church.

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Also the sales value of ecstasy and amphetamine produced in the Netherlands amounts to at least 18.9 billion euros worldwide, of which at least 3 to 5 billion land in the pockets of those guys. With that kind of money it becomes much easier to be ┬┤untouchable┬┤.


Yeah it's crazy. Many of them also don't really flaunt their wealth and just prefer to live in their trailer and drink at the local bar as opposed to living in castle-like mansions.


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Sicilian anti-mafia justice in Li├Ęge: progress has been made on the assassination attempt on Saverio Sacco

They stayed several days in Ardent city. Two Sicilian prosecutors and the head of the mobile brigade of Agrigento came to Liege lands to question key witnesses in the case of the assassination attempt on Saverio Sacco, victim of a shooting outside his home in April 2017.

As a reminder, on April 28, 2017, Saverio Sacco , who runs a pizzeria in the center of Seraing, was returning to his home in Gr├óce-Hollogne when he was a victim of what the Li├Ęge judiciary so far describes as an assassination attempt. The man was in the company of his wife and their child.

Until then, nothing that could interest Italian justice. Except that the commando was composed of well-known protagonists in Sicily, especially in the province of Agrigento. Among them, Mario Rizzo, who entered the program of the repented and who today enjoys 'strict protection in exchange for its cooperation with the justice system.

Last week, Deputy Prosecutor Salvatore Vella, prosecutor Alessandra Russo, and Squadra Mobile's head of Agrigento, Giovanni Minardi, flew to Liege to interview several key witnesses on the case.


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Following the bust of the Assyrian crime family Y. for their involvement in large-scale cocaine trafficking in the Antwerp region, the mayor of Antwerp claims that there are at least 5 more clans they know about currently involved in the local cocaine business. This includes 3 Moroccan groups based in the Borgerhout district as well as an Albanian group.

https://www.hln.be/regio/antwerpen/-de-wever-tempert-euforie-na-oprollen-clan-y-er-zijn-nog-zeker-vijf-antwerpse-misdaadfamilies-actief~a7c96de5/

Furthermore it has been stated that the Antwerp law enforcement tends only to bust the local clans after they already hit their peak and often already quit their involvement in cocaine trafficking. It's said that the Assyrian group based around the Y. clan haven't played a role of significance in the last year. It's rumored that law enforcement had enough ammunition to bust the Y. group years ago while they were at their peak, but opted to wait instead.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/02/19/gerechtsjournalist-joris-van-der-aa-rol-van-clan-y-was-al-u/

Same scenarios have been noticed with other Antwerp cocaine groups before; such as the Borgerhout-based Moroccan crime clan S. ("The Mixers"), another Borgerhout Moroccan clan Z. or the Greek group based around Eleftherios P. (the "Greek Godfather of the Sint-Paulusplaats"). In all of the cases law enforcement declined to intervene until the groups got very big. Eleftherios P. for instance wasn't put away until he got to the age of 78 even though they apparently had files on him dating back to the 80's.

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TKJ are there still Irish around in Antwerp, as you know the sociologist Christy Kinahan has connections there.


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TKJ are there still Irish around in Antwerp, as you know the sociologist Christy Kinahan has connections there.


Unlike the Moroccans, Albanians, Assyrians...the Irish never really had a stake in local distribution in Antwerp, but - like a ton of other criminal organizations - Irish groups have definitely used the port of Antwerp to bring in huge amount of cocaine. Kinahan used to have quite a few money laundering points in Antwerp and it wouldn't surprise me if he (and maybe others) still does. There are Irish bars in Antwerp that change owners more frequently than many people change socks.

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Hey TKJ why didn't you mention this? I always like a good bank job ! wink

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-05/belgian-burglars-stage-heist-through-antwerp-sewers/10779602


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Hey TKJ why didn't you mention this? I always like a good bank job ! wink

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-05/belgian-burglars-stage-heist-through-antwerp-sewers/10779602


Lol yeah it was all over the news a few weeks ago. They arrested three Georgians thus far.

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Thanks, the Georgian thieves-in-law seem to have spread out through Europe. Germany, France, Greece, Spain, Italy. They can travel visa-free to the EUÔÇÖs Schengen zone.


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An arrest team of the Antwerp police has arrested last week Eleftherios P. (77) because he is suspected of being involved in a weed plantation, reports the Antwerp Gazet. The ÔÇťAncient GreekÔÇŁ used to play a role in police files about cocaine smuggling.

Two of his sons were also arrested. P. is, according to the Gazet, seriously ill.

Eleftherios P. was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2014 for his involvement in the import of large quantities of cocaine through the port of Antwerp. At the time, P. was involved in the removal of cocaine from containers. His headquarters at that time were Bananas caf├ę on the edge of the Schipperskwartier.


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Eleftherios...that man just doesn't know how to quit. Hardcore gangster through and through and an almost legendary character in the Antwerp underworld. I've heard rumors that his criminal organization is actually ran from Greece. When they were on top there were always new off-the-boat Greeks showing up at his caf├ę "Bananas".

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Belgian cop wishes he could shoot traveller. Don't we all.



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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Belgian cop wishes he could shoot traveller. Don't we all.



Has nothing to do with Belgian organized crime?


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Belgian cop wishes he could shoot traveller. Don't we all.



Has nothing to do with Belgian organized crime?


Belgian cop + Traveller criminals + footage taken in Belgium. Where else do you suggest I put it? Irish travellers are a heavy criminal presence in Belgium and Netherlands. So relax, you'll live longer, Strax.


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Phil Leotardo: Well that's up to you.
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Wouldn't call them a heavy criminal presence in Belgium and the Netherlands these days. A few years ago Irish Travellers did show up in Belgium getting involved mainly in their trademark roofing scams. Not so much nowadays. Irish Travellers still show up whenever there's a major horse event going on though, but they aren't really a major bother there as far as I know.

Slovak and, to a lesser extent, Romanian and Bulgarian Roma gypsies are a bigger pain in the ass over here. Squatting, pickpocketing, petty drug dealing...
You're far more likely to experience nuisance from the Slovak Roma than from an Irish Traveller, a Dutch "woonwagenbewoner" (who are mostly pretty much alright in my experience) or even a Roma gypsy from former Yugoslavia.

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Irish Travellers terrorized Dutch ┬┤campings┬┤ in 2017 in Brabant, Gelderland and Drenthe.


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With the help of the mayors and the police, the public prosecutor's office in Limburg wants to ban the 'colors' of motorcycle clubs at events. "They are provocative and can disrupt public order," it sounds. But for motorcycle clubs, the embroidered license plates on the back of their leather jackets are sacred. "They have to keep going," says a prominent member of a notorious motorcycle club. "This is contrary to the Constitution," says a lawyer.
After various motorcycle clubs, such as the Hells Angels, are banned in the Netherlands, the Belgian court also seems to want to get rid of the so-called one-percenters.


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