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Re: Arab OC Thread [Re: PhillyGuys] #953259
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Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
Someone should report whoever started this thread to DHS. I’m curious what type of bombs they may have strapped to them. The day I care about anything to do with Islam i hope is also my last day on hospice


Just flat out ignoring the thread if you don't care about the topic is an option, you know.

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More than 2000 people, among them bikers and leaders of Lebanese clans, attended the funeral of the criminal Nidal ´Mahmoud´R. in Berlin. He was shot dead on Sunday evening.


Are there any suspects in this case? I heard talks about the Remmo's and the Abou-Chakers falling out some time ago.
It's possibly one of the few times someone directly dared to target one of the Mardin clans.

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More than 2000 people, among them bikers and leaders of Lebanese clans, attended the funeral of the criminal Nidal ´Mahmoud´R. in Berlin. He was shot dead on Sunday evening.


Are there any suspects in this case? I heard talks about the Remmo's and the Abou-Chakers falling out some time ago.
It's possibly one of the few times someone directly dared to target one of the Mardin clans.


https://en.crimerussia.com/organize...ury-with-honors-the-murdered-crime-lord/


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"Arab"-related OC is a Lebanese, North African or Assyrian thing. The Lebanese clans in for instance Germany (or Australia) do seem to regard themselves as Arabs; the North Africans and Assyrians definitely don't. Basically every Moroccan dude I know over here postures himself as a proud Berber and wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to dismiss Arabs as being a "bunch of pansies".

To write them off as a bunch of petty drug dealers is definitely missing the mark a bit. Sure there's plenty of low level rats among them, but there's quite a few who work in the higher regions of the drug trade. Moroccans in for instance Antwerp bring in tons of dope, as do Algerians in for instance the north of Marseille. There's local protection rackets aplenty, prostitution, money laundering... Some of them have definitely moved beyond your average street punk status.

The Assyrians in Detroit had huge mob connections as well. In for instance Sodertalje in Sweden they have formed structures that more or less resemble a local mob outfit. A similar situation is in the southwest of Sydney; where the local street cliques are just farm teams up to do some of the dirty work.

As far as the Lebanese go in Berlin; I feel the Abou-Chakers (the family that has ties to the local rap industry through Bushido) is far from being the most feared or powerful. The Al Zein - Omeirat family has way more pull with branches throughout the whole of Germany as well as international connections. Drugs, extortion, weapons, organized robbery...the whole enchilada. That German series 4 Blocks kinda portrayed them as somewhat cartoonesk criminals that, despite the intimidation tactics, are opposed to murder. Far from the truth as they're definitely not shy to whack someone (the case of Zaki Al Zein for instance).


Do Assyrian OC groups in Europe tend to be Christian or Muslim or does it vary ? I'm asking because ( as I'm sure you know ) the Assyrians in Detroit were notable for being Christian and I think that Ray Akrawi himself used the excuse of being Christian during his deportation trial .

Also is it known what international connections the AL Zeins have ?


The Assyrians are not Muslims nor are they Arabs, not sure why they're being mentioned in an Arab OC thread. They are one of the oldest Christian populations in the world and they have their own language and culture.

The closest group Assyrians are similar to in terms of culture and genetics are Armenians, with the exception of the language of course.

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Re: Arab OC Thread [Re: 2a] #953856
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CrimeRussia is a great site and when it comes to organized crime from the former Soviet Union it offers us info we can't easily find elsewhere. In this case though, is seems there's a bit of misinformation going around.

I don't think it's correct to describe Nidal Rabih as a "crime lord" or "head of a family". He was, above all, an opportunistic criminal who relied on his hulking physical frame to scare off his rivals. He wasn't at the top of the bigger families, but he worked with some of them on occasion. Most of all, he was known for having an insane amount of convictions to his name (80, I believe?). Not exactly a mastermind criminal.

There's definitely some friction going on between the so-called "Arab clans". Nidal Rabih, like the About-Chakers, was Palestinian. The families with a Palestinian background were always kind of outsiders compared to the other Lebanese clans who predominantly have roots in Mardin. Not just in terms of background, but also when it comes to their exposure. The Abou-Chakers are very much involved in the hip hop scene, especially due to their relationship with the German rapper Bushido (a relation that has turned sour in recent times). On top of that they love the camera to an extent that makes John Gotti seem like a hermit. The Miri's, the most "famous" Mardinelli family, also have a big interest in the hip hop scene although less hands-on than the Abou-Chakers. Their name is dropped a lot by other less famous rappers like Baba Saad, Farid Bang, Kollegah...

The other Lebanese clans with roots in Mardin - El Zein, Rammo, Saado, Omeirat... - are a bit more underground and the head chiefs don't like too much exposure. A lot of reports seem to point out the Rammo's as possible suspects in the murder of Nidal Rabih, although there's little in the way of exact reasonings. Possibly tying up loose ends? Apparently he was once involved in a big time robbery carried out by some members of the Rammo clan. It's said the Rammo's aren't exactly averse to whackings, as they've also been brought into connection with the murder of an Omeirat family member.

The article's description of these families as "Turks" isn't really correct either. It's difficult to pinpoint them. Basically, they're an Arab tribe who settled in the predominantly Kurdish region Mardin in Southeast Turkey. They always spoke Arabic although their dialect picked up a few Kurdish influences because of them historically living in a primarily Kurdish region. Many Mardinelli families have went to Lebanon as far back as the 1920's though and use Lebanon (where they're described as "Lebanese Kurds" despite not being ethnically Kurdish) as a part of their identity nowadays. During the Lebanese civil war they were reputedly the major recruitment pool for the Al-Mourabitoun militia (who were nicknamed the "Looney Tunes" because of their excessively wild and violent display).

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Originally Posted by BronaZora


The Assyrians are not Muslims nor are they Arabs, not sure why they're being mentioned in an Arab OC thread. They are one of the oldest Christian populations in the world and they have their own language and culture.

The closest group Assyrians are similar to in terms of culture and genetics are Armenians, with the exception of the language of course.


They're not Arabs and describing an Assyrian as an "Arab" would most probably be considered an insult, but most of their diaspora has origins in Northern Iraq. That's why organized crime from the Assyrian community is thrown under the same roof of "Arab OC".

I mean, a majority of the Moroccan and Algerian criminals in the Netherlands, France and Belgium consider themselves Berber instead of Arab as well. Yet they as well get mostly described as "Arab OC".

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The Assyrians are not Muslims nor are they Arabs, not sure why they're being mentioned in an Arab OC thread. They are one of the oldest Christian populations in the world and they have their own language and culture.

The closest group Assyrians are similar to in terms of culture and genetics are Armenians, with the exception of the language of course.


They're not Arabs and describing an Assyrian as an "Arab" would most probably be considered an insult, but most of their diaspora has origins in Northern Iraq. That's why organized crime from the Assyrian community is thrown under the same roof of "Arab OC".

I mean, a majority of the Moroccan and Algerian criminals in the Netherlands, France and Belgium consider themselves Berber instead of Arab as well. Yet they as well get mostly described as "Arab OC".


That's not completely true either, Assyrian Homeland is divided between north Iraq, northwestern Iran, northeastern Syria, and southeastern Turkey. For example if you go to Detroit or Chicago, most of them may be from Iraq, but if you go to Sweden or Germany, most of them are from Turkey.

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The Assyrians are not Muslims nor are they Arabs, not sure why they're being mentioned in an Arab OC thread. They are one of the oldest Christian populations in the world and they have their own language and culture.

The closest group Assyrians are similar to in terms of culture and genetics are Armenians, with the exception of the language of course.


They're not Arabs and describing an Assyrian as an "Arab" would most probably be considered an insult, but most of their diaspora has origins in Northern Iraq. That's why organized crime from the Assyrian community is thrown under the same roof of "Arab OC".

I mean, a majority of the Moroccan and Algerian criminals in the Netherlands, France and Belgium consider themselves Berber instead of Arab as well. Yet they as well get mostly described as "Arab OC".


That's not completely true either, Assyrian Homeland is divided between north Iraq, northwestern Iran, northeastern Syria, and southeastern Turkey. For example if you go to Detroit or Chicago, most of them may be from Iraq, but if you go to Sweden or Germany, most of them are from Turkey.


Sweden has a lot of Turkish Assyrians, true. I'm even willing to bet that the majority of "Turks" in Sweden are, in fact, Assyrians.

In the USA and Australia on the other hand, the vast majority of them are from Iraq. It's in places like Detroit (with the so-called "Chaldean mafia") and Sydney (with gangs like "Dlasthr") that Assyrian OC had the most exposure in the English-speaking media.
In Sweden there was the "Södertalje Network", but their leader - Bernard Khouri - is an Assyrian from one of the Arab countries as well.

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How prominent are Palestinian crime families/groups by the way ? I think I've read about some being active in NYC and Chicago back in the 80s and 90s , but they seem to be defunct as of now .

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How prominent are Palestinian crime families/groups by the way ? I think I've read about some being active in NYC and Chicago back in the 80s and 90s , but they seem to be defunct as of now .


They exist, but I wouldn't call them especially prominent or powerful. The Abou-Chakers (Palestinians who came from the refugee camp in Lebanon to Berlin) do have a reputation in Germany, but they're smaller fish compared to the Mardelli-Lebanese clans.

There is Palestinian organized crime in the Israeli and Palestinian territories, but especially on a bigger scale they don't hold a candle to traditional Israeli OC (the classic crime families of North African, mostly Moroccan, Jewish background), Russian-Israeli organized crime (which is largely connected to the bigger Russian groups) or the Georgian-Israeli clans that act as a broker between the crime groups from the former Soviet Union (Russia as well as the Caucasus) and the Israeli underworld. The Melikhov clan, led by Abraham Melikhov, was extremely active in Antwerp and were the intermediaries when other Soviet and Israeli crime figures wanted to have dealings in the city. The Melikhovs were one example, but there's said to be 5 to 6 large Georgian Jewish clans active in the Israeli underworld.

In New York there was Moussa Aliyan and Tala Siksik, both Palestinian heroin traffickers, but they were whacked by respectively the Israelis and the Bonanno's. It was Pitera that killed Siksik to be precise.

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U.S. cracks down on transnational organised crime including Hezbollah

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‘Lebanese Connection’ drug trial to open in Paris

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How prominent are Palestinian crime families/groups by the way ? I think I've read about some being active in NYC and Chicago back in the 80s and 90s , but they seem to be defunct as of now .


They exist, but I wouldn't call them especially prominent or powerful. The Abou-Chakers (Palestinians who came from the refugee camp in Lebanon to Berlin) do have a reputation in Germany, but they're smaller fish compared to the Mardelli-Lebanese clans.

There is Palestinian organized crime in the Israeli and Palestinian territories, but especially on a bigger scale they don't hold a candle to traditional Israeli OC (the classic crime families of North African, mostly Moroccan, Jewish background), Russian-Israeli organized crime (which is largely connected to the bigger Russian groups) or the Georgian-Israeli clans that act as a broker between the crime groups from the former Soviet Union (Russia as well as the Caucasus) and the Israeli underworld. The Melikhov clan, led by Abraham Melikhov, was extremely active in Antwerp and were the intermediaries when other Soviet and Israeli crime figures wanted to have dealings in the city. The Melikhovs were one example, but there's said to be 5 to 6 large Georgian Jewish clans active in the Israeli underworld.

In New York there was Moussa Aliyan and Tala Siksik, both Palestinian heroin traffickers, but they were whacked by respectively the Israelis and the Bonanno's. It was Pitera that killed Siksik to be precise.



There also was a Palestinian founded street gang in Chicago back in the 90s : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAP_Boyz

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Friday, 12.07.2019, 17:05
The boss of the notorious Miri clan from Bremen was released after being deported to Lebanon.

After examination by the prosecutor was against the clan member in Lebanon nothing, so he was released, it said on Friday from Lebanese legal circles. The mainly based in Bremen Miri clan is accused of organized crime. The authorities had this week after months of planning deported the man who is considered one of the leaders of the clan.

Only three weeks ago, the federal and state governments at the Conference of Interior Ministers declared that they wanted to increase the pressure on criminal clan members in Germany.

Clan chief arrested at night
Special forces had arrested Ibrahim Miri in his apartment in the middle of the night . Hours later he landed in Beirut.


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Man who gave police info on Moroccan-Dutch drug lord Ridouan Taghi found shot to death in Spain https://gangstersinc.org/blog/man-who-gave-police-info-on-moroccan-dutch-drug-lord-ridouan-tagh


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The power of the Mocro Mafia - Cocaine and the Netherlands https://gangstersinc.org/video/the-power-of-the-mocro-mafia-cocaine-and-the-netherlands


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