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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons?
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? I almost dont know anything regarding the LA crime fam but I believe that there were seperate factions, one with Bonanno and one with the other NY factions and also Chicago....but pls dont take my word for granted
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? I almost dont know anything regarding the LA crime fam but I believe that there were seperate factions, one with Bonanno and one with the other NY factions and also Chicago....but pls dont take my word for granted Bonanno was so ambituous that for sure wanted to put a flag on arizona and take over the l.a. family IMO.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? Word was that he wanted to make his son Bill boss of the L.A. family, because there was lots of money to be made in California.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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Also read the joe didnt respect carlo bc when carlo was anastasia underboss, albert smacked carlo n would totally disrespect him n carlo would quiver n do nothing Yeah, he says that in his book but I find that unbelievable. I know that Carlo, being in the position of consigliere wasn't necessarily put there by Anastasia (from my understand consigliere was an elected position, voted on by the family members) but I don't think Anastasia would have tolerated him as consigliere if he had that little of respect for him.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
[Re: Raven]
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Carlo served as Consigliere under Anastasia? I'v never heard of that before.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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yeah, at the time Anastasia was murdered he was. I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure Carlo was Anastasia's Underboss after the murder of Frank Scalise. Only for a few months though. Before then he was just a Captain.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? Word was that he wanted to make his son Bill boss of the L.A. family, because there was lots of money to be made in California. I'm not sure how much money there was in California. The two most powerful gangsters to operate in California were Bugsy Siegel and John Roselli, and they both ended up in Vegas. California's law enforcement community was just too tight knit. They closed all the doors to rackets in show business and things like that. Dragna family was mostly into vice and drugs. Mickey Cohen got out of the rackets and pretty much went legit late in life. The San Francisco and San Jose mobs were mostly legit by the 70's, making enough in olive oil and insurance to close their books and retire off.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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yeah, at the time Anastasia was murdered he was. I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure Carlo was Anastasia's Underboss after the murder of Frank Scalise. Only for a few months though. Before then he was just a Captain. Gambino was named Underboss in September of 1957, with strong support from Tommy Lucchese, Vito Genovese, and Joe the Blond who was the current Gambino family Consiglieri at the time before he was made Underboss after Anastasia was murdered. By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? Word was that he wanted to make his son Bill boss of the L.A. family, because there was lots of money to be made in California. I'm not sure how much money there was in California. The two most powerful gangsters to operate in California were Bugsy Siegel and John Roselli, and they both ended up in Vegas. California's law enforcement community was just too tight knit. They closed all the doors to rackets in show business and things like that. Dragna family was mostly into vice and drugs. Mickey Cohen got out of the rackets and pretty much went legit late in life. The San Francisco and San Jose mobs were mostly legit by the 70's, making enough in olive oil and insurance to close their books and retire off. There was still money to make, but by the late 1980's most of the bay area members were legit and did not need the headaches from LE.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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Bonanno and Joe Profaci had been allies since both were made Dons after the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31. Following Profaci's war with the Gallos, Gambino began "suggesting" that Profaci step down as Don, but with Bonanno's support, he stayed on the Commission. After Profaci died in 1962, Joe Magliocco, his brother in law and second in command, became Don. Then Gambino openly opposed Magliocco's Donship, and encouraged factions in his family to rebel against their new boss.
In retaliation, Bonanno and Magliocco began plotting to whack Gambino and Tommy Lucchese. But the plot was ratted out to Gambino by Joe Colombo, then a captain under Magliocco. The Commission ordered Magliocco to step down, and to pay a $55,000 fine. Terminally ill with heart disease, Magliocco complied; Colombo became Don of his family. The Commission next ordered Bonanno to come in and explain himself. He refused. The Commission then declared that Bonanno no longer was Don; in his place they installed Gaspar DiGregorio, a longtime close associate of Bonnanno who had been best man at his wedding. DiGregorio also was brother in law of Stefano Magaddino, Don of Buffalo, NY, Bonannno's cousin, who had a grudge against him for "planting flags" in southern Canada. That started the famous "Banana War" that resulted in Bonanno's "kidnapping" and the dissolution of his family.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
[Re: OakAsFan]
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By the way, while it made sense to whack Gambino, Lucchese, Magaddino, since they were national key figures, but why DeSimone? He was boss in Los Angeles, and that family was always one of the weakest. Why bother with him, or did Bonanno have some personal reasons? Word was that he wanted to make his son Bill boss of the L.A. family, because there was lots of money to be made in California. I'm not sure how much money there was in California. The two most powerful gangsters to operate in California were Bugsy Siegel and John Roselli, and they both ended up in Vegas. California's law enforcement community was just too tight knit. They closed all the doors to rackets in show business and things like that. Dragna family was mostly into vice and drugs. Mickey Cohen got out of the rackets and pretty much went legit late in life. The San Francisco and San Jose mobs were mostly legit by the 70's, making enough in olive oil and insurance to close their books and retire off. One of the biggest criticisms the east coast families had towards the west coast families was their lack of any clout and influence in labor unions. I think Bonanno, with his big ego and legit connections, thought he and Bill could make that happen and at the same time be a lot closer to Vegas, where Bonanno probably also wanted to increase his influence. Here's an excerpt from Selwyn Raab's Five Families: ''California loomed large in Bonanno's plans. Tremendous wealth was being generated in Southern California, and Bonanno felt that Frank DeSimone, the boss of the Los Angeles family, had failed to exploit it. Bonanno plotted to replace DeSimone and his crew with Bill, who would provide better leadership, and forty soldiers who would generate larger profits. As a Commission member, Bonanno already had oversight responsibilities in California of small families operating in San Francisco and San Jose. By seizing control over Los Angeles, Bonanno believed he would dominate Mafia activities on both coasts.''
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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yeah, at the time Anastasia was murdered he was. I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure Carlo was Anastasia's Underboss after the murder of Frank Scalise. Only for a few months though. Before then he was just a Captain. It is pretty well documented that he was consiglieri.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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yeah, at the time Anastasia was murdered he was. I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure Carlo was Anastasia's Underboss after the murder of Frank Scalise. Only for a few months though. Before then he was just a Captain. It is pretty well documented that he was consiglieri. Raven ive literally never heard Carlo was consigliere, only read that he was Alberts Underboss before he had him clipped?
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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Bonannos dad was killed back in Italy. LCN was in Joe's blood. He was left a nice amount of money, he went to the maritime academy, something happened back home, then he came to the US. The history is obviously more detailed than that but his dad was not in the US. Bonnano's family was in the US from around 1910 for a few years. That's why he was apparently known as the American when he went back home.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
[Re: AntSamuel]
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Joe Bonanno uncle Giuseppe Bonanno, who had no children was the boss before he was murdered, then his other uncle Stefano Bonanno (who descendants are still involved in the mafia in Castellammare del golfo and father of Francesco Bonanno) was killed, but not before Stefano made sure the last brother Giovanni Bonanno went to Tunisia to be safe. Salvatore Bonanno is said to have been the head of the Brooklyn Castellammare community, but I really think it was actually Francesco Garofalo father as he was married to one of Salvatore Bonanno sisters. Once Salvatore Bonanno came back to Sicily, he became head of the clans, with Stefano Magaddino (father of Stefano Magaddino of Buffalo), Carmelo Coppala, and Giovanni Bonventre (uncle to the Bonventre brothers in the states) blessings. He was drafted and died from illness, not murdered. That scene in the Bonanno movie where it shows Salvatore being killed in bed with a mistress, was actually Stefano Bonanno, who had many children out of wedlock, which would explain why Joe Bonanno said Stefano Bonanno had no children.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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During the Castellamarese war, there was a attempt made on Carlo Gambino's brother by Maranzano guys. i suspect Bonanno could've been involved, this left some bad blood with Gambino. on Bonanno's side, Joe slightly supported Gambino at a commission meeting after Anastasia was clipped against Albert's loyalist Tommy Rava and Neil Dellacroce. then Gambino used his power with Luchesse against him.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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During the Castellamarese war, there was a attempt made on Carlo Gambino's brother by Maranzano guys. i suspect Bonanno could've been involved, this left some bad blood with Gambino. on Bonanno's side, Joe slightly supported Gambino at a commission meeting after Anastasia was clipped against Albert's loyalist Tommy Rava and Neil Dellacroce. then Gambino used his power with Luchesse against him. Joe Bonanno just couldn't see what was going under his nose. Looks like he had no problem with Luciano's allies getting clipped. I wonder, whether he came up with an idea to take over the commission before or after attempt on Costello's life. From what I understand, Joe B didn't take Carlo seriously, calling him squirrel, like, it's easier to kill a squirrel like Gambino than lion like Anastasia. What I can't really understand, why he used Profaci's men, not someone of his own.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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During the Castellamarese war, there was a attempt made on Carlo Gambino's brother by Maranzano guys. i suspect Bonanno could've been involved, this left some bad blood with Gambino. on Bonanno's side, Joe slightly supported Gambino at a commission meeting after Anastasia was clipped against Albert's loyalist Tommy Rava and Neil Dellacroce. then Gambino used his power with Luchesse against him. Joe Bonanno just couldn't see what was going under his nose. Looks like he had no problem with Luciano's allies getting clipped. I wonder, whether he came up with an idea to take over the commission before or after attempt on Costello's life. From what I understand, Joe B didn't take Carlo seriously, calling him squirrel, like, it's easier to kill a squirrel like Gambino than lion like Anastasia. What I can't really understand, why he used Profaci's men, not someone of his own. Because Joe Magliocco was just as involved, if not more on the plot to kill Luchesse and Gambino. Magliocco used Joe Colombo who outed the plan.
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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During the Castellamarese war, there was a attempt made on Carlo Gambino's brother by Maranzano guys. i suspect Bonanno could've been involved, this left some bad blood with Gambino. on Bonanno's side, Joe slightly supported Gambino at a commission meeting after Anastasia was clipped against Albert's loyalist Tommy Rava and Neil Dellacroce. then Gambino used his power with Luchesse against him. Joe Bonanno just couldn't see what was going under his nose. Looks like he had no problem with Luciano's allies getting clipped. I wonder, whether he came up with an idea to take over the commission before or after attempt on Costello's life. From what I understand, Joe B didn't take Carlo seriously, calling him squirrel, like, it's easier to kill a squirrel like Gambino than lion like Anastasia. What I can't really understand, why he used Profaci's men, not someone of his own. Because Joe Magliocco was just as involved, if not more on the plot to kill Luchesse and Gambino. Magliocco used Joe Colombo who outed the plan. Had not Joe B tipped FBI Luciano's whereabouts, his life would've been much easier
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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page 115 of the book "Five Families" by Selwyn Raab is one source for him as Anastasia's consigliere at the time of Anastasia's murder. there are many others. People say Bonnano's book is BS then wtf is Raabs
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Re: Mafia Beefs: Joe Bonanno vs Carlo Gambino
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Hey Tony. Chin tried to rub out Costello before Anastasia was killed. I don't know if you made a typing mistake or didn't know. Forever, I thought Anastasia was killed first. A side note, if you read the newspaper articles after he was killed, a lot of them speculate that Costello was behind the hit. Which we know wasn't true. yes thank you for correcting my mistake I am a few drinks into the evening also in Bonanno's book he talks about the Anastasia/Costello/Genovese/Lucchese/Gambino drama
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