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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #804450
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Yes, but few people know that he had a steel plate in his head and the bullet bounced off...both he and Elvis are working in a Burger King in Canada right now.

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old school13, no, no, no, you got it all wrong, elvis is running a little donut shop in texas, {as of last sighting} hope this clears everything up. lol



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Mob myth or fact: Larry Gallo was buried holding a Jimmy Roselli album in his hands

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Originally Posted By: Alfanosgirl
Mob myth or fact: Larry Gallo was buried holding a Jimmy Roselli album in his hands

Was it the White album or the second release? If you play the original backwards you can hear J Edgar Hoover saying; "There is no Mafia!" over and over.

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Originally Posted By: Mark
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Mob myth or fact: Larry Gallo was buried holding a Jimmy Roselli album in his hands

Was it the White album or the second release? If you play the original backwards you can hear J Edgar Hoover saying; "There is no Mafia!" over and over.


lol lol lol It was the Italian album

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #815456
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Salvatore Maranzano (July 31, 1886 – September 10, 1931) was an organized crime figure from the town of Castellammare del Golfo, Sicily. He is accused of instigating the Castellammarese War to seize control of the American Mafia operations, and briefly became the Mafia's "Boss of Bosses". He was assassinated by a younger faction led by Charles "Lucky" Luciano, who established a power-sharing arrangement rather than a "boss of bosses" in the hopes of preventing future wars.

http://youtu.be/WACvACqlGtk?list=PLQhDH_WZbs1N0jqZ9y9naMtgUfZ3VoVbo

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TB, you mentioned that Don Vito Cascio Ferro had a drug pipeline between Italy and America. Can you elaborate on that? Like when that was and if he the first mafioso in America.

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hopefully skinny Joey wont get power drunk and start whacking people and fuck it up like scarfo.but I think Joey will keep things smooth and quiet.


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Maybe this goes here:

"Frank Sinatra’s old casino at Lake Tahoe, closed for renovations for nearly three years, is now in bankruptcy. Months after halting work on a $49 million overhaul, the developer of the Cal Neva Resort & Casino has placed the venerable Tahoe property in Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings. The case has left the reopening in limbo, although the developer said in court papers the project can be finished in a few months. The national hotel chain that has contracted to operate the Cal Neva says on its website the property is scheduled to open next April. In a filing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Rosa, the developer said the property faces about $40 million in debt and will need $23.8 million"

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New owners of the Neva Lodge are claiming to make it high end, which is stupid. Trendy, free spending millennials do not go to North Shore, and never will. If they really want to keep Frank's old Neva on life support, they have to make it appealing to the 40 plus crowd.


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Originally Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Salvatore Maranzano (July 31, 1886 – September 10, 1931) was an organized crime figure from the town of Castellammare del Golfo, Sicily. He is accused of instigating the Castellammarese War to seize control of the American Mafia operations, and briefly became the Mafia's "Boss of Bosses". He was assassinated by a younger faction led by Charles "Lucky" Luciano, who established a power-sharing arrangement rather than a "boss of bosses" in the hopes of preventing future wars.

http://youtu.be/WACvACqlGtk?list=PLQhDH_WZbs1N0jqZ9y9naMtgUfZ3VoVbo




Was it Maranzano or Lucky Luc' who started the 5 family structure? I think I read in Valachi book,where he (JV)went to a hall in the Bronx(?)where Maranzano was allocating newly made guys to the newly created 5 families.

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Even during the glory days of the mob before RICo and witness protection to be involved as an associate or even after you got made it was a dangerous way to make a living. All the shit about honor and glory is bullshit. Many assosiates and up dissapeared and presumed wacked.
That life is so full of backstabbing, greed, paranoia it isnt funny. Anyone ever notice the cancer rate among wiseguys? Ok most used to be heavy smokers but I think just the stress of living that life gets you sick, almost all of them had bad tickers. I know some guys that have been made and many more that are hangers on and from what I see the great majority at the end of their life if you tabulate the stress, prison, getting killed at the very end they broke even to blue collar work. If you make 250K a year clear for a 5 year run but than do 8 years in jail comes out to 100K a year? not for me. The federal laws now are ridiculous if you have an Italian last name and do a minor federal crime they give you the max.

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Who specifically has been given a tough sentence because of having an Italian surname?


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Well I exaggerated that but what I mean is I know of people that are Italian and have associated that have been brought up on Federal charges for things not directly related to OC specifically but due to past associations and prosecutors blow their horn with insinuations and judges give more years than the minimum mandatory on federal sentencing guidelines. Having spent time around I know this to be true. Justice is not always blind especially if defendants do not have adequate representation to make substantial motions of suppression and sentence mitigation.

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Originally Posted By: UncleVig
Even during the glory days of the mob before RICo and witness protection to be involved as an associate or even after you got made it was a dangerous way to make a living. All the shit about honor and glory is bullshit. Many assosiates and up dissapeared and presumed wacked.
That life is so full of backstabbing, greed, paranoia it isnt funny. Anyone ever notice the cancer rate among wiseguys? Ok most used to be heavy smokers but I think just the stress of living that life gets you sick, almost all of them had bad tickers. I know some guys that have been made and many more that are hangers on and from what I see the great majority at the end of their life if you tabulate the stress, prison, getting killed at the very end they broke even to blue collar work. If you make 250K a year clear for a 5 year run but than do 8 years in jail comes out to 100K a year? not for me. The federal laws now are ridiculous if you have an Italian last name and do a minor federal crime they give you the max.
True, but then ,on the other hand,some wiseguys have a VERY substantial lifespan,into their nineties etc..Dominick Pollina as an example (102 yrs.)..I think maybe because they dont truly work a hard day's work in their life?..Christie Tick is another..I could go on..


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There are Italian lineages that live for a very long time, but most aren't Sicilian. Most are from Sardegnia and pockets of Calabria (where the real power is located). Some of those who live for a long time may be benefiting from that. Life as a gangster is tough, but these are tough street guys and most of them didn't make much money as UncleVig indicated.

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2nd post here, [quote=Turnbull]Many people on these boards, especially younger people, ask questions or make statements about Mob life that are often myths--not realities. I'd like to start a thread that helps clear up the myths. I'll post occasionally, and ask you to post your own ideas, thoughts, explanations. Here's the first:

"BEING "MADE" IN THE MOB IS DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY"[quote=TurnBull]

TurnBull, oh so very succinct, Greed, Fear, Violence, Good Thread.

I'll bite, for those whom never experienced sitting in a social club, let's say on Bath Ave, playing Gin or Pinochle for hours on end, air thick with cigarette smoke and Di Nobili cigars, every one there is in various stages of doing scores, gettin swag, planning to score and planning to sell cases of Jeans pilfered from Brooklyn West UPS

Then a unnamed persona who's club it is states that there is an open hit for let's say " Micheal Miccio" (Really Happened 80's) and if you eyeball him you need to do some work. Not the work most folks do but nasty,violent acts that is part of being in a crew, "low totem on the man pole" Some guy's have a knack, a calling so to speak, a good example Tommy Karate, brutal.....Roy Demeo and all those crazy kids from canarsie.

Oh and let's not forget US Attorneys, AUSA'S and FBI and OCCB. These folks will lead you to housing with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, for me, MCCNY,MDCNY, Lewisburg,Allenwood FCI and LOW. Otisville too, did a bullet at gladiator school Rikers Island C- 95 ,C76,HDM and West Facility during the crack wars of the 90's....... waste of time.......

Movies are just that, movies
Since the Godfather Movie a weird dynamic happens, do the street guys emulate the movies?

The only mob myth I know is John Franceze, almost 100 and active..................a mob xman

















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Originally Posted by python134r
2nd post here, [quote=Turnbull]Many people on these boards, especially younger people, ask questions or make statements about Mob life that are often myths--not realities. I'd like to start a thread that helps clear up the myths. I'll post occasionally, and ask you to post your own ideas, thoughts, explanations. Here's the first:

"BEING "MADE" IN THE MOB IS DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY"[quote=TurnBull]

TurnBull, oh so very succinct, Greed, Fear, Violence, Good Thread.

I'll bite, for those whom never experienced sitting in a social club, let's say on Bath Ave, playing Gin or Pinochle for hours on end, air thick with cigarette smoke and Di Nobili cigars, every one there is in various stages of doing scores, gettin swag, planning to score and planning to sell cases of Jeans pilfered from Brooklyn West UPS

Then a unnamed persona who's club it is states that there is an open hit for let's say " Micheal Miccio" (Really Happened 80's) and if you eyeball him you need to do some work. Not the work most folks do but nasty,violent acts that is part of being in a crew, "low totem on the man pole" Some guy's have a knack, a calling so to speak, a good example Tommy Karate, brutal.....Roy Demeo and all those crazy kids from canarsie.

Oh and let's not forget US Attorneys, AUSA'S and FBI and OCCB. These folks will lead you to housing with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, for me, MCCNY,MDCNY, Lewisburg,Allenwood FCI and LOW. Otisville too, did a bullet at gladiator school Rikers Island C- 95 ,C76,HDM and West Facility during the crack wars of the 90's....... waste of time.......

Movies are just that, movies
Since the Godfather Movie a weird dynamic happens, do the street guys emulate the movies?

The only mob myth I know is John Franceze, almost 100 and active..................a mob xman


















Franzese is 101. He must be active, maybe not directly but he will have guys collect payments and let them carry out everything physical

I wish I could meet the guy or write to him before he dies!!

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I guess this post goes here.

I've been watching several interviews of Michael Franzese on VLADTV. Have any Board members watched those interviews?

He talked alot about his father who is 102. Michael is a lecturer of sorts these days about avoiding bad decisions in life. He had some interesting things to say about several people including Rudy Giuliani, Michael Jordan, and Al Sharpton. He commented that many Mafia movies are alot of baloney, but he thought Gotti with Armand Assante was the best (I agree) and pretty accurate.


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Originally Posted by olivant
I guess this post goes here.

I've been watching several interviews of Michael Franzese on VLADTV. Have any Board members watched those interviews?

He talked alot about his father who is 102. Michael is a lecturer of sorts these days about avoiding bad decisions in life. He had some interesting things to say about several people including Rudy Giuliani, Michael Jordan, and Al Sharpton. He commented that many Mafia movies are alot of baloney, but he thought Gotti with Armand Assante was the best (I agree) and pretty accurate.
it was, I think that movie, along with Goodfellas, Casino were the best mob movies ever made. Although some real life mobsters weren’t included in the film.

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Have any of you watched the Michael Franzese interviews on VLADtv? I've watched just about all of them.

What has recently caught my attention is Michael's claim that he knows what happened to Hoffa. He says that where ever Hoffa's body is, it is a wet place and he knows the shooter.

He also claims that Hoover was recorded in the restroom of the Stork Club engaging in sex with his boyfriend and thus he was blackmailed. As a consequence, he denied the existence of the Mafia.

I'm not sure if I believe all of what Franzese says because much of it is common knowledge.


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TB, is the irish mafia the same?


I would say that anyone or group that murders for fun and profit has the same level of morality as onyone else or any other group that murders for fun and profit.

It's interesting that the HBO series "Rome" has current episodes that illustrate the gangs of Rome in the B.C. era. Somethings about people never change.


The Mafia doesn't murder for "fun". Profit, for sure! but there always has to be a reason to the killing. In fact, if a Soldier kills someone out of line, they could even get in trouble.


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Originally Posted by olivant
Have any of you watched the Michael Franzese interviews on VLADtv? I've watched just about all of them.

What has recently caught my attention is Michael's claim that he knows what happened to Hoffa. He says that where ever Hoffa's body is, it is a wet place and he knows the shooter.

He also claims that Hoover was recorded in the restroom of the Stork Club engaging in sex with his boyfriend and thus he was blackmailed. As a consequence, he denied the existence of the Mafia.

I'm not sure if I believe all of what Franzese says because much of it is common knowledge.


He's at such a loss for "real" content to continue his podcast that he's now searching out and reaching for "BS" to shore up his site. At this stage of the game what he spouts is 99% garbage. Before he was 75% full of baloney, now he's up to ears in hogwash at 99%.

Where does he go from here? Next he's be claiming he knows who set the Chicago Fire, and who exactly was behind the assassinations of JFK because he himself was also hiding up on a grassy knoll watching the whole thing!

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But as they say, "There's a sucker born every day, and two to take him." (he knows that all too well)

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Originally Posted by NYMafia

Where does he go from here? Next he's be claiming he knows who set the Chicago Fire, and who exactly was behind the assassinations of JFK because he himself was also hiding up on a grassy knoll watching the whole thing!

No, he's going to claim that he, not Gianni Russo, slept with Marilyn Monroe.


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How many people did MF kill?

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They talk about a stand up guy. Once the guy is prosecuted ,in prison, etc for his crimes,they talk about him like he's a victim.Often mentioning his many crimes of violence. Finish off saying "a real stand up guy,really great guy,nicest guy in the world,best guy you'd ever weant to meet, what a bad break,poor guy

Guy works 60 hours in a week in a factory or an office,has nothing to do with them, is the stiff, jerk or maybe the scum bag.
Like everything with them is in reverse
At least for a lot of them on the lower level.,especially if the working stiff won't get involved in one of their bright ideas.

Not all.Others,usually at the top recognize legal accomplishments as something good,whether success in sports,in a professional position,in business.Especially if its somebody close like the Corleones with Michael the war hero.Those types don't want kids to be involved.Rather have them doctors,lawyers,hopefully President of USA. Or take over family business(s) that are legal,even if that was not always the case.Hopefully the kids stay legal in whatever they choose. But they have been raised in that environment.

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lacey maintained that Lansky was worth considerably less than that. Lansky lost everything when Castro closed the casinos. What money he did have, he left to take care of his son Buddy.

Lacey said Lansky was worth $5-6M at his peak. He spent his last $50k paying for his son's (unsuccessful) operation.
Lansky did not "lose everything" when Castro nationalized the Havana Riviera and the other casinos. Lansky and a group of his investors put up $5 million, along with Batista's $6 million, to build the hotel. Most of the $5 million was put up by Lansky's partners, not him. He later prospered in Bahamas gambling.


There is though a story that Lansky tried to get rid of $22 million in Cuban pesos at a discount when Catro took over and changed the currency,allowing people to only keep $100 of old currency

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I guess this post goes here.

I've been watching several interviews of Michael Franzese on VLADTV. Have any Board members watched those interviews?

He talked alot about his father who is 102. Michael is a lecturer of sorts these days about avoiding bad decisions in life. He had some interesting things to say about several people including Rudy Giuliani, Michael Jordan, and Al Sharpton. He commented that many Mafia movies are alot of baloney, but he thought Gotti with Armand Assante was the best (I agree) and pretty accurate.
it was, I think that movie, along with Goodfellas, Casino were the best mob movies ever made. Although some real life mobsters weren’t included in the film.


The Gomorrah movie had actual camorristi.One was in hiding,and because of the movie,he got caught .Its on you tube.

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Havana] #1075361
11/23/23 12:51 PM
11/23/23 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Havana
They talk about a stand up guy. Once the guy is prosecuted ,in prison, etc for his crimes,they talk about him like he's a victim.Often mentioning his many crimes of violence. Finish off saying "a real stand up guy,really great guy,nicest guy in the world,best guy you'd ever weant to meet, what a bad break,poor guy

Guy works 60 hours in a week in a factory or an office,has nothing to do with them, is the stiff, jerk or maybe the scum bag.
Like everything with them is in reverse
At least for a lot of them on the lower level.,especially if the working stiff won't get involved in one of their bright ideas.

Not all.Others,usually at the top recognize legal accomplishments as something good,whether success in sports,in a professional position,in business.Especially if its somebody close like the Corleones with Michael the war hero.Those types don't want kids to be involved.Rather have them doctors,lawyers,hopefully President of USA. Or take over family business(s) that are legal,even if that was not always the case.Hopefully the kids stay legal in whatever they choose. But they have been raised in that environment.





A person can work 60 hours a week and be a total creep. Who works that many hours? Time-and-a- holdf is nice. A guy can be in the Mafia and still be good in many ways, or he can be all around bad. You sound like an angry man who works 60 hours a week with no overtime and is miserable. You need Mafia members or associates to step in and unionize for you. Then, before and after they go to prison for "Extorting the business" you can say they are stand up guys as you collect your larger salary.

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