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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #914249
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"CLAIRMONT: Police examine video to trace route of getaway car in Musitano hit"

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7348423-clairmont-police-examine-video-to-trace

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #916112
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Hamilton news reports say that shots were fired at Pat Musitano's house overnight. Police are investigating but bullet holes visible in windows and brick wall. I'm surprised police didn't have him under some sort of surveillance after Angelo's hit and the firebombing of his car.


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Question. Has Giaocchino "Jack" Gerfuso been seen lately? He use to be a top Musitano enforcer, last know sighting of him was back in 2002, I just thought Toronto had something to do with it. He would be in his 60's now. If still alive, or went back to Sicily. Thanks for the response in advance.


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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Pops
Hamilton news reports say that shots were fired at Pat Musitano's house overnight. Police are investigating but bullet holes visible in windows and brick wall. I'm surprised police didn't have him under some sort of surveillance after Angelo's hit and the firebombing of his car.


http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/mafi...b8-de60ae22f073


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #916150
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Shit getting serious again North of the border.

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Interesting tweet by James Dubro this evening:

james dubro (@jamesdubro) tweeted at 9:28 PM on Tue, Jun 27, 2017

Rival drug mobsters & quiet powerful ndranghta cell (some newly arrived )both operating in his turf may be behind Pat Musitano's problems.
(https://twitter.com/jamesdubro/status/879874100889571328?s=02)

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #916164
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Home of Hamilton mobster Pat Musitano riddled with bullets

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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916191
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Interesting tweet by James Dubro this evening:

james dubro (@jamesdubro) tweeted at 9:28 PM on Tue, Jun 27, 2017

Rival drug mobsters & quiet powerful ndranghta cell (some newly arrived )both operating in his turf may be behind Pat Musitano's problems.
(https://twitter.com/jamesdubro/status/879874100889571328?s=02)


Dubro elaborated a bit more on Facebook; he also mentioned another tidbit:

Plus rival Italian coke dealers and quiet newer Ndrangheta cell -both operating on his old turf-BIG problem for Pat and remnants of his family. Also restaurant biz problems....( but "fat Pat" ain't as fat anymore as he had recent stomach tuck surgery:) )

http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345611805488392&id=418032441579671

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916196
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Originally Posted By: antimafia
Interesting tweet by James Dubro this evening:

james dubro (@jamesdubro) tweeted at 9:28 PM on Tue, Jun 27, 2017

Rival drug mobsters & quiet powerful ndranghta cell (some newly arrived )both operating in his turf may be behind Pat Musitano's problems.
(https://twitter.com/jamesdubro/status/879874100889571328?s=02)


Dubro elaborated a bit more on Facebook; he also mentioned another tidbit:

Plus rival Italian coke dealers and quiet newer Ndrangheta cell -both operating on his old turf-BIG problem for Pat and remnants of his family. Also restaurant biz problems....( but "fat Pat" ain't as fat anymore as he had recent stomach tuck surgery:) )

http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345611805488392&id=418032441579671


He's trolling by not being more specific.

There's a lot of turmoil among the ndrangheta clans in Ontario lately. Seems the landscape is reshaping with new players. I think they're busier fighting among themselves and carving up new territory in Ontario than taking over Montreal...

Could this possibly be linked to the shootings around Toronto a couple of months ago?


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #916220
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/musitano-1.4182140

"The 2013 death of reputed Mafia boss Vito Rizzuto created a power vacuum within the organization, and now warring factions have weakened the once-mighty Montreal Mafia. That has left the Musitanos to fend for themselves."

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Sonny_Black] #916222
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There is infighting in Ontario but it does not come close to what is going on in Montreal.
I disagree with regards to Montreal, there are plenty of Ndrangheta cells to handle both Ontario and Montreal.

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: antimafia
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Interesting tweet by James Dubro this evening:

james dubro (@jamesdubro) tweeted at 9:28 PM on Tue, Jun 27, 2017

Rival drug mobsters & quiet powerful ndranghta cell (some newly arrived )both operating in his turf may be behind Pat Musitano's problems.
(https://twitter.com/jamesdubro/status/879874100889571328?s=02)


Dubro elaborated a bit more on Facebook; he also mentioned another tidbit:

Plus rival Italian coke dealers and quiet newer Ndrangheta cell -both operating on his old turf-BIG problem for Pat and remnants of his family. Also restaurant biz problems....( but "fat Pat" ain't as fat anymore as he had recent stomach tuck surgery:) )

http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345611805488392&id=418032441579671


He's trolling by not being more specific.

There's a lot of turmoil among the ndrangheta clans in Ontario lately. Seems the landscape is reshaping with new players. I think they're busier fighting among themselves and carving up new territory in Ontario than taking over Montreal...

Could this possibly be linked to the shootings around Toronto a couple of months ago?


How do you define "trolling"? You may be defining it differently from the ways the word is typically defined, as Dubro hasn't posted in this thread.

He was quoted in today's Toronto Sun article by Brad Hunter. Link:

Mob chief ‘Fat Pat’ won’t play canary
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/28/mob-chief-fat-pat-wont-play-canary
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I'll try to answer your other question at some point, but your guess is as good as mine.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916238
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"Police wary of more mob violence after [Pat] Musitano’s Hamilton home hit with gunfire"

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/73976...it-with-gunfire

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916251
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
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Interesting tweet by James Dubro this evening:

james dubro (@jamesdubro) tweeted at 9:28 PM on Tue, Jun 27, 2017

Rival drug mobsters & quiet powerful ndranghta cell (some newly arrived )both operating in his turf may be behind Pat Musitano's problems.
(https://twitter.com/jamesdubro/status/879874100889571328?s=02)


Dubro elaborated a bit more on Facebook; he also mentioned another tidbit:

Plus rival Italian coke dealers and quiet newer Ndrangheta cell -both operating on his old turf-BIG problem for Pat and remnants of his family. Also restaurant biz problems....( but "fat Pat" ain't as fat anymore as he had recent stomach tuck surgery:) )

http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345611805488392&id=418032441579671


He's trolling by not being more specific.

There's a lot of turmoil among the ndrangheta clans in Ontario lately. Seems the landscape is reshaping with new players. I think they're busier fighting among themselves and carving up new territory in Ontario than taking over Montreal...

Could this possibly be linked to the shootings around Toronto a couple of months ago?


How do you define "trolling"? You may be defining it differently from the ways the word is typically defined, as Dubro hasn't posted in this thread.

He was quoted in today's Toronto Sun article by Brad Hunter. Link:

Mob chief ‘Fat Pat’ won’t play canary
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/28/mob-chief-fat-pat-wont-play-canary
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I'll try to answer your other question at some point, but your guess is as good as mine.


I haven't done much research into the exact definition of the word.

He's only giving us a hint. I know that he can't provide names because of ongoing investigations, but why then just not wait until he can be more specific? What he does now is drawing attention to himself by letting us know that he knows but won't share it.


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Ciment] #916252
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Originally Posted By: Ciment
There is infighting in Ontario but it does not come close to what is going on in Montreal.
I disagree with regards to Montreal, there are plenty of Ndrangheta cells to handle both Ontario and Montreal.


I'd love to see some hard evidence of ndrangheta cells making moves in Montreal. The presence of some individuals or meetings isn't hard evidence. This has been nothing more than 7 years of speculation. At this point I wonder if it will ever be more than that.


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There is infighting in Ontario but it does not come close to what is going on in Montreal.
I disagree with regards to Montreal, there are plenty of Ndrangheta cells to handle both Ontario and Montreal.


I'd love to see some hard evidence of ndrangheta cells making moves in Montreal. The presence of some individuals or meetings isn't hard evidence. This has been nothing more than 7 years of speculation. At this point I wonder if it will ever be more than that.


There has been hard evidence mentioned in books & news articles of collusion between rival fractions of the Rizzuto's and Ontario Ndrangheta cells but you choose to ignore it.

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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916259
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Maybe Dubro was referring to this group who were targeted by police in 2015. There were 3 members arrested from Hamilton. Looks like they were part of a 'Ndrangheta cell moving coke in the area.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...tling-1.3098969


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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Pops
Maybe Dubro was referring to this group who were targeted by police in 2015. There were 3 members arrested from Hamilton. Looks like they were part of a 'Ndrangheta cell moving coke in the area.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...tling-1.3098969


Of the three--Carlo Fazzari, Antonio Agresta, and Adam D'Andrea--Fazzari had been previously slapped with drug charges in Project Birdie in December 2009 because of cocaine and pot found in the bar he owned along with brother Armando and with Ron Faria (Portuguese-Canadian?).

Fazzari and Agresta may descend from Calabria because their surnames are so prevalent in that region (they are found to a lesser extent in Sicily); insofar as Agresta may have Calabrian ancestry, he probably descends from Platì.

Dubro has commented both that Pat Musitano had a rival and/or that a new 'ndrangheta cell has moved in to the area. Given Fazzari's previous charges, I have doubts that he is part of such a cell because he seems to have already been established in Hamilton.

Fazzari was defended in court by lawyer Dean Paquette back in 2009 and 2010. As you and I know, Paquette has defended the Musitanos for many decades and is considered a friend.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #916281
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Originally Posted By: Johnny_Pops
Maybe Dubro was referring to this group who were targeted by police in 2015. There were 3 members arrested from Hamilton. Looks like they were part of a 'Ndrangheta cell moving coke in the area.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...tling-1.3098969


Of the three--Carlo Fazzari, Antonio Agresta, and Adam D'Andrea--Fazzari had been previously slapped with drug charges in Project Birdie in December 2009 because of cocaine and pot found in the bar he owned along with brother Armando and with Ron Faria (Portuguese-Canadian?).

Fazzari and Agresta may descend from Calabria because their surnames are so prevalent in that region (they are found to a lesser extent in Sicily); insofar as Agresta may have Calabrian ancestry, he probably descends from Platì.

Dubro has commented both that Pat Musitano had a rival and/or that a new 'ndrangheta cell has moved in to the area. Given Fazzari's previous charges, I have doubts that he is part of such a cell because he seems to have already been established in Hamilton.

Fazzari was defended in court by lawyer Dean Paquette back in 2009 and 2010. As you and I know, Paquette has defended the Musitanos for many decades and is considered a friend.

Maybe "new" is a relative term. Fazzari, Agresta & D'Andrea were shown to be part of Carmine Verduci's group in a police chart for Operation Ophoenix. Carmine was shot dead so maybe there is a "new" leadership group based locally. In any event, yes, Fazzari had charges in Hamilton back in 2004 so he had a local presence. I also agree with Dean Paquette being very friendly with the Musitanos. Although having defended Fazzari back in 2010 doesn't necessarily mean Fazzari and the Mustinos are still close today. I'm sure Vito Rizzuto thought he and Raynald Dejardins were close too, but loyalties might change quickly when big money is on the line.


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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Pops
Maybe "new" is a relative term. Fazzari, Agresta & D'Andrea were shown to be part of Carmine Verduci's group in a police chart for Operation Ophoenix. Carmine was shot dead so maybe there is a "new" leadership group based locally. In any event, yes, Fazzari had charges in Hamilton back in 2004 so he had a local presence. I also agree with Dean Paquette being very friendly with the Musitanos. Although having defended Fazzari back in 2010 doesn't necessarily mean Fazzari and the Mustinos are still close today. I'm sure Vito Rizzuto thought he and Raynald Dejardins were close too, but loyalties might change quickly when big money is on the line.


The Project OPhoenix chart shows, under Verduci's photo, Antonio Agresta in the same row as a Serbian-Canadian; there is also a Greek-Canadian and a non-Italian respectively in two rows that also show Italians. All these rows seem to consist of individuals which some newspaper stories at the time termed Verduci's street crew.

Yes, I agree that loyalties can change. I've assumed all along that Pat Musitano is still on friendly terms with Domenico Violi after the former got out of jail. But if there is a new 'ndrangheta cell in Hamilton and the surrounding area, could this cell also be encroaching on the Luppinos' territory?

Do you know whether Carlo Fazzari is related to Luigi Fazzari, who pled guilty in September 1999 in that bookmaking case in which charges were withdrawn against Pat Musitano?

From my notes, which may have no relevance to this discussion:

According to Jerry Prager, the Fazzari family in Guelph, along with other families with ancestry from San Giorgo Morgeto, Calabria, established itself between the years 1900 and 1939 in Guelph.

There was a Vincenzo Fazzari who killed a Metro Toronto police constable on October 6, 1969--this murder is mentioned in Julian Fantino's book Duty: the life of a cop. I'll have to check the book to see whether Fantino considered Fazzari to be part of the Siderno Group.

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Ok, here is what I can figure out from a report of a Licensing Tribunal in 2011 for a bar called Zucca, run in Hamilton by an Armando Fazzari. At this hearing it says police responded to an altercation between Carlo Fazzari, Luigi Fazzari and another patron. I know Armando and Carlo are brothers so I assume Luigi is either a brother, cousin or closely connected. Also, on a crazy sidenote, Carlo and his brother Armando actually appeared in an episode of Dragon's Den (Canadian original version of Shark Tank) pitching a push-up device. Check it out!
http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/pitches/fazzari-push-up-machine


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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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There is infighting in Ontario but it does not come close to what is going on in Montreal.
I disagree with regards to Montreal, there are plenty of Ndrangheta cells to handle both Ontario and Montreal.


I'd love to see some hard evidence of ndrangheta cells making moves in Montreal. The presence of some individuals or meetings isn't hard evidence. This has been nothing more than 7 years of speculation. At this point I wonder if it will ever be more than that.


There has been hard evidence mentioned in books & news articles of collusion between rival fractions of the Rizzuto's and Ontario Ndrangheta cells but you choose to ignore it.


I don't see it as hard evidence that they planted their flags in Montreal. Perhaps we have a different point of view concerning this matter.


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Looks like the Siderno Group is flexing their muscles.


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Yes I agree we do have a different point of view.
If we were to rely only on hard evidence, there weren't be much to talk about on these posts or threads. Unless your a member of organized crime or work for the police force.


Here are the factors that sway me to believe Ontario cells are behind it all.

1) Giuseppe Costa: A Ndrangheta "pentiti" said the following....

Toronto Star
“The Sicilian Mafia once led in Canada,” Costa said in the interview, which will be broadcast on the Enquête program on Thursday. “Now, the ’Ndrangheta has the power.”

2) Nicola Cortese Ontario Ndrangheta member, arrested in Montreal around the same time Nick Rizzuto got killed.

3) Books and news articles & the mentions of numerous meetings between rivals of Rizzuto and Ndrangheta members of Ontario. Some of the Montreal individuals that attended these meetings are S.Piccirilli, Devito, Gallo, Mirachi and others.

4) Hamilton Violi brothers(arch enemies of the Rizzuto's) roaming around Montreal at approx. same time important murders were being committed in Montreal

5) Meeting at Linguini restaurant among the Cotroni's and Violi's

6) Bruzzese/Coluccio cell attempt to move into Montreal.

7) Piccirilli taped conversation with a Toronto individual about having the green light for a hit.

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The Calabrese in Montreal (Arcadi and co) have close links to 'ndrangheta it's just a calabrian thing. Montreal police even said there were feuds between calabrian groups.

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Originally Posted By: antimafia
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Maybe Dubro was referring to this group who were targeted by police in 2015. There were 3 members arrested from Hamilton. Looks like they were part of a 'Ndrangheta cell moving coke in the area.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...tling-1.3098969


Of the three--Carlo Fazzari, Antonio Agresta, and Adam D'Andrea--Fazzari had been previously slapped with drug charges in Project Birdie in December 2009 because of cocaine and pot found in the bar he owned along with brother Armando and with Ron Faria (Portuguese-Canadian?).

Fazzari and Agresta may descend from Calabria because their surnames are so prevalent in that region (they are found to a lesser extent in Sicily); insofar as Agresta may have Calabrian ancestry, he probably descends from Platì.

Dubro has commented both that Pat Musitano had a rival and/or that a new 'ndrangheta cell has moved in to the area. Given Fazzari's previous charges, I have doubts that he is part of such a cell because he seems to have already been established in Hamilton.

Fazzari was defended in court by lawyer Dean Paquette back in 2009 and 2010. As you and I know, Paquette has defended the Musitanos for many decades and is considered a friend.



Adam D'Andrea, now that is interesting. Guy in his sixties? He use to run with the Papalia family. He attended Jimmy Papalia funeral. Now he was listed being with Verduci. On the Fazzari's, Luigi is close to Giuseppe Avignone, nephew to Tony and Dom Musitano, and cousin to Angelo and Pat Musitano.


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