It is about a 5 hour drive.

Toronto to Hamilton is a half hour or less so how can it be 7.5 hours to 8 from Montreal to Hamilton if Montreal to Toronto is 6. You obviously arent from the region.

I live in Hamilton and I last went to Montreal 3 years ago, we left here at 1:00am and arrived in Montreal at around 7:00am. Very little traffic and we did not stop either then gas.

It just seemed to me vito had anuff on his plate in motreal him have taking sides in a city past toronto is greedy.

In what world is Hamilton less than a half hour from Toronto? Unless you're driving at 150 km the whole way and risking a car impound?

Google has my location in central Toronto to the very vlose edge of Hamilton at just about an hour with no traffic.

Are you from the area?

Hamilton is about 70 km from Toronto for reference.

Lots of exposure going on in this thread right now.

Hamilton to Toronto took about an hour and a half, with major construction right before we hit Cookeville. I have a cousin in St. Catherine.

The release of Rocco Papalia in Italy and the murder of Musitano is a weird coincidence. Because Angelo's cousin Antonio Musitano is a player in Italy.

130 down the Q gets you there in about a half hour, I guess with construction youre right. From Buffalo

So with all the cameraes in people yards and on top of every traffic light they killers went old school skimask stolen car and plates. Get it together canada. Im joking. Can only be a matter of time rite.

Angelo's father, Dominic, didn't have any brothers or sisters in Italy when he died in 1995. Is this Antonio Musitano's mother the sister of Carmelina Alampi, who is Dominic's wife?

Toronto to Montreal is 5 hours if you don't stop and average 120km/hour. At most 5.5 hours.

Toronto to Hamilton is 45-50 minutes.

Of course everything depends on traffic. I've done TO-Mtl in 4.5 hours. But if you leave at 5pm on a Friday from Toronto to go to Hamilton and there is construction it might take 1:15-1:30.

But who ever said 7.5-8 hours to go from Mtl to Hamilton is definitely not from the anywhere near the area.

I remember speculating on here a few months ago that the Musitanos will likely pay the price for their alliance with the Rizzutos, some people dismissed it saying that they cut ties and it shouldn't effect them.

I think it's obvious who's behind this, the Luppinos (Being led by the Violi brothers) are in charge of Hamilton now, the Musitanos are on their way out and their family will likely join the same fate as the Papalia crew.



With no traffic, that's pretty much the right answer, with traffic? Forget about it, I used to commute from Hamilton to Mississauga for work, my morning drives were brutal.

I only know they are related, this is the guy I'm talking about.

Vincenzo Antonio Musitano (1962) detto Totò Brustia e residente a Vermezzo, genero di Giuseppe Perre, figlio di Elisabetta Barbaro, e referente di Giuseppe Barbaro detto "U nigru"[6][7]

According to the DDA Antonio Musitano can be considered one of the top figures within the cosca Papalia.

That's still quite the assumption. Whose to say their old alliance with the Rizzutos had to do with this? Seems like someone is just clearing house, making room for their own run at the top.

Hollander, unlike a lot of posters, I'm okay with using a wiki as support for a claim just as long as the article is properly sourced.

The Italian Wikipedia article on the Papalia 'ndrina indicates the 'ndrina has roots in Platì. However, the Papalias in Canada who were (are?) involved in organized crime have ancestry from Delianuova, which is 1 hour and 10 minutes from Platì by car. Shortly after Johnny Papalia died, it was noted in an article or two that up till his death he had relatives and contacts in Italy--whether these relatives lived in Delianuova or moved to somewhere larger like Reggio Calabria, I don't know.

Similarly, the Musitanos in Canada who are (were?) involved in organized crime also have ancestry from Delianuova. The Italian Wikipedia article on the Musitano 'ndrina indicates the 'ndrina has roots in Platì and Delianuova, but is the latter even true?

How did you come to know that the recently murdered Angelo Musitano and his family in Canada are related to this Vincenzo Antonio Musitano and other Musitanos operating and living in northern Italy?

Unless there's some random unknown family in the region that we don't know about, the Luppino family is the only other active group in the Hamilton area. There may be some Buffalo activity and of course, there's always a connection with the 'Ndrangheta families of Toronto, but as one of the reporters suggested, it's actually not a surprise that this kind of assault happened given the amount of enemies the Musitanos have around them.

About 20 years ago the Musitano family made their move and they chose to ally themselves with the Rizzuto family instead of sticking to their 'Ndrangheta roots and keeping neutral with everyone around them. This choice made sense 20 years ago because being part of the 'Ndrangheta then did not have the same status as it does today and the previous power in the region (Buffalo family) was in a major decline. It was the Rizzuto family and their Sicilian connections that were the ultimate power. The Musitanos took that gamble and some may even say that it worked out for them until Vito was out of the picture.

With the Rizzutos in decline, who do the Musitanos have as allies around them? Out of the groups operating in Ontario, they're either rivals or don't care much about them, I don't see anyone coming to their aide.

The guy who made the article could be mistaken about the Musitanos in Hamilton, but it's almost impossible to track down the family tree of all Musitanos (In Italy, Australia, Canada). How exactly the Papalias and Musitanos from Delianuova are connected to the ones from Platì is still unclear.

I don't think it is a big stretch to think the hit on Angelo had something to do with the Luppino/Violi group. The only other current player in town that might have the reason/muscle is the Hell's Angels or Bacchus MC. It makes even more sense if you even remotely accept that Angelo had found religion and retired from crime. He apparently posed no threat, so why kill him? The only logical reason to hit him was for retribution.

Why wait so long? Classic siege warfare. As long as the Musitano's were aligned with the Rizzutos they had some protection. (although that didn't stop Rizzuto's man Pinepinto from being murdered, allegedly by Sal Calautti). So the opposition waited it out, probably well aware/or involved with what was being played out in Montreal. Once the Rizzuto's were weakened, the Musitanos were isolated and vulnerable. Revenge could be taken at leisure. Remember, Musitano's hitman Ken Murdock, claimed he was armed and ready to take out the Luppinos and Violis at a social club but lost his nerve at the last minute. I don't think that is something you forget or let your opponent ever completely walk away from, even if it is 20 years later and they study the bible.

http://www.cp24.com/news/video-released-...s-car-1.3403812

Video released in murder of Hamilton mobster Angelo Musitano after police recover suspect's car

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/729033...rdered-mobster/

Musitano's say quiet goodbye to murdered mobster.

I always thought the hit on Panepinto was over gambling and personal matters, not revenge related. Also taking out one guy is easier than taking out an entire family. I'm from Hamilton and have lived in it for 20+ years, the name Musitano is well known and these guys were feared, I know the odds are against them, but I wonder if there will be any retaliation from their end.

I don't think the HA are responsible for this hit, they may be involved, but I certainly don't think they gave the order. If anything, they probably shifted their alliance to other families that have the advantage in the playing filed.

Speaking of alliances, Sicilian mobster Peter Scarcella also has his own group in Toronto and was well known as an associate of Vito, I wonder if they'll attempt to remove him too or perhaps he was smart enough to make it good with the clans in Toronto.

Video of gunman's car in Angelo Musitano's murder, Hamilton mobster

The gunman who shot and killed well-known Hamilton, Ont., mobster Angelo Musitano on Tuesday ditched the Ford Fusion he drove for the hit just 450 metres away, likely switching into another vehicle for his get-away, police say. Police believe Musitano, 39, may have been stalked for a week before the shooting.

Panepinto supposedly may have been killed for encroaching on 'Ndrine territory, and killing two 'Ndrangheta members. Supposedly the clans sought retribution and Vito served him up on a silver platter. That's if you believe the Sixth Family authors though.

"Police hunting for two people in ‘well planned’ murder of Hamilton mobster Angelo Musitano"

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...angelo-musitano

Link below is to the Hamilton Police Service's update on the murder case.

https://hamiltonpolice.on.ca/community/news/2017/05/update-angelo-musitano-homicide

"Revenge can take a lifetime': No arrests or retaliation a month after Musitano slaying"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/musitano-1.4136780