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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Sonny_Black] #911405
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
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Looks like the Loreto fire is a symbolic attack.


The last time it happened was when Nick Rizzuto was still alive. I think that attack in 2010 was a sign for him to step down. Could this have the same underlying message? If so, does that mean that the family (Leonardo?) is still in a position of power?


It's such an important place for the Italian community as a whole, the attack could have big consequences.

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
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Looks like the Loreto fire is a symbolic attack.


The last time it happened was when Nick Rizzuto was still alive. I think that attack in 2010 was a sign for him to step down. Could this have the same underlying message? If so, does that mean that the family (Leonardo?) is still in a position of power?


The previous attack, which was pathetically executed, happened on January 6, 2011, about two months after Nick Sr.'s mruder. See link to older article below.

"Rizzuto clan attacked — even in death"

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/01/06/rizzuto_clan_attacked_even_in_death.html

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #911420
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Originally Posted By: Hollander
It's such an important place for the Italian community as a whole, the attack could have big consequences.


The funeral home has continued to operate, without any interruption, since the attack in January 2011.

I'm not the only poster who knows that the Loreto has income that is guaranteed because the Rizzutos' paesani in the Montreal area have no choice when a loved one dies but to hold visitations at the funeral home, i.e., the choice is made for the family of the bereaved; otherwise, the family members would face the consequences of showing a lack of respect. (This lack of economic freedom in particular offends my sensibilities. It disgusts me. If you're not in the mafia that's part of your community but you're pro-mafia, sometimes you have to pretend to be pro-mafia just so you keep up appearances and don't cross the wrong people.)

There are an estimated 18,000 people in the Montreal area whose ancestry can be traced to Cattolica Eraclea. The Loreto may be more important to them than to the significantly wider Italian-Canadian community in the Montreal area.

Italian families with ancestry from other than the Rizzutos' hometown sometimes also choose the Loreto for the deceased's funeral-home visitation. So do non-Italians. Both groups at least have other options.

Prepaid funeral arrangements are risky, especially when you prepay the funeral home (as opposed to prepaying an insurer). What if the quality of service at the funeral home goes downhill? You're stuck unless you want to shell out more money to have the visitation somewhere else when the time comes.

I'm not sure why the Loreto was targeted and what the attack represents. Perhaps the building was attacked because Italians in the Montreal underworld who are opposed to the remnants of the Rizzuto clan also see the building as somewhere the clan's loyalists convene for funerals.

One of Rocco Sollecito's siblings, Stefano, was shown at the Loreto earlier this month. See http://www.complexeloreto.com/en/obituary/stefano-sollecito/.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #911427
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
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It's such an important place for the Italian community as a whole, the attack could have big consequences.


The funeral home has continued to operate, without any interruption, since the attack in January 2011.

I'm not the only poster who knows that the Loreto has income that is guaranteed because the Rizzutos' paesani in the Montreal area have no choice when a loved one dies but to hold visitations at the funeral home, i.e., the choice is made for the family of the bereaved; otherwise, the family members would face the consequences of showing a lack of respect. (This lack of economic freedom in particular offends my sensibilities. It disgusts me. If you're not in the mafia that's part of your community but you're pro-mafia, sometimes you have to pretend to be pro-mafia just so you keep up appearances and don't cross the wrong people.)

There are an estimated 18,000 people in the Montreal area whose ancestry can be traced to Cattolica Eraclea. The Loreto may be more important to them than to the significantly wider Italian-Canadian community in the Montreal area.

Italian families with ancestry from other than the Rizzutos' hometown sometimes also choose the Loreto for the deceased's funeral-home visitation. So do non-Italians. Both groups at least have other options.

Prepaid funeral arrangements are risky, especially when you prepay the funeral home (as opposed to prepaying an insurer). What if the quality of service at the funeral home goes downhill? You're stuck unless you want to shell out more money to have the visitation somewhere else when the time comes.

I'm not sure why the Loreto was targeted and what the attack represents. Perhaps the building was attacked because Italians in the Montreal underworld who are opposed to the remnants of the Rizzuto clan also see the building as somewhere the clan's loyalists convene for funerals.

One of Rocco Sollecito's siblings, Stefano, was shown at the Loreto earlier this month. See http://www.complexeloreto.com/en/obituary/stefano-sollecito/.


You summarized the Loreto patrons quite well.In the first attempt there was hardly any damage because of the security guard that was in place. This second attempt there was some damages. I agree the Sicilian customers are almost guaranteed but if this continues it will discourage the non Sicilians and non Italians to patronize that establishment.
It is obvious that someone has it in for the Rizzuto's. Normally there would be some peace accord that would take place after a prolonged feud. The bikers did manage to broker a peace accord between the Rock Machine & the Hell's and I find it peculiar that the Italians weren't able to strike one by now. Whoever is behind it all must have some personal vendetta.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #911434
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Don't forget about the tribute in the basement there too. Didn't it even have De Vito's name on it?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: dixiemafia] #911438
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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Don't forget about the tribute in the basement there too. Didn't it even have De Vito's name on it?


Yes. I posted about this last November in another thread--see http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...rue#Post898821.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #911445
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Keep it classy montreal mob war. That shits is a clusterfuck. No respect. Remeber people were saying rizzuto was more powerfull then a nyc boss. Shit his whole family and all his friends got whacked now there burning down there famikies bizness.

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Keep it classy montreal mob war. That shits is a clusterfuck. No respect. Remeber people were saying rizzuto was more powerfull then a nyc boss. Shit his whole family and all his friends got whacked now there burning down there famikies bizness.


Doesn't mean the people saying that were wrong at the time. Every empire comes to an at one point or another.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #911483
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Keep it classy montreal mob war. That shits is a clusterfuck. No respect. Remeber people were saying rizzuto was more powerfull then a nyc boss. Shit his whole family and all his friends got whacked now there burning down there famikies bizness.


Doesn't mean the people saying that were wrong at the time. Every empire comes to an at one point or another.


Exactly. Nobody made a move until he was deported. This never happens if Massino doesn't flip and rat on Rizzuto. I mean it was possible, but nobody in Montreal had enough power to overthrow him at "full speed" so to speak.

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Revelations about a corruption investigation involving former high-ranking members of the Quebec Liberal party

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #911507
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Attempted arson at a pizzeria Del Nova in Westmount

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #911534
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Attempted arson at a pizzeria Del Nova in Westmount



I know it's a young man's game now, but it would be interesting to see where the old guards like Domenico Manno stand.

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"Flambée d'incendies criminels à Montréal"

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #911557
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...e-westmount.php

Attempted arson at a pizzeria Del Nova in Westmount



I know it's a young man's game now, but it would be interesting to see where the old guards like Domenico Manno stand.


I would venture to say that the old guard would like it to be like it was, one Sicilian family in charge of it all; but the likelihood of that happening is remote.

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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...e-westmount.php

Attempted arson at a pizzeria Del Nova in Westmount



I know it's a young man's game now, but it would be interesting to see where the old guards like Domenico Manno stand.


With one leg in the grave.


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Its funny i watching bowling for columbine on vice ch. Rite now i wonder how much the gun murder rate went up since 15yrs ago when this was filmed. Between this rizzuto whole last stand and toronto seems like it probaly skyrocketed. Where as in usa atleast around boston murders going way down or i should say shootings. You get caught the fucking cias gun detectors are on ervery light pole shot spoter.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #911750
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/angelo-musitano-shot-and-killed-hamilton-mob-hit-1.4096448

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...s-hamilton-home


Does the shooting of Hamilton mobster have anything to do with what is happening in Montreal ?
The Musitano's did have close ties to the Rizzuto's.

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So in the earlier part of this Project Cendrier investigation, law enforcement indicated cocaine headed for Montreal got there via Los Angeles and Houston--see http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2016/7...pects-arrested. The Quebecers just arrested all seem to be French-Canadian.

From the article in the thread you started a few weeks ago about the cocaine trafficking ring that saw cocaine from California going to Ontario (http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...0297#Post910297), we learned from the RCMP that traffickers shipping coke from the US to Ontario often use LA and Houston as distribution centres, "along major highways to Canadian land ports in Ontario, including Windsor, Sarnia and Sault Ste. Marie." The individuals arrested in the Waterloo Region in Ontario appeared to be a mix of Greek-Canadians, Serbian- or Croatian-Canadians, and some other ethnicities.

The cocaine trade in Canada is too big to be dominated by any one crime group. Yes, there are big players. But even the big players have not been able to reverse the direction of the flow of cocaine--the US is still a transshipment point for coke that is on its way to Canada. This is why I get so frustrated when control of the Port of Montreal is cited as a reason or even the reason for the mob war in Montreal. A mob war that, incidentally, may be far from over.


Phase 3 of Project Cendrier saw four more French-Canadians arrested today in relation to the investigation.

Link:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2017/p...ficking-charges

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According to Google Translate, the article says:

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"Given his state of health, my client claims the right to be acquitted before he dies. He has not the luxury to wait," thundered Danielle Roy, lawyer of Stefano Sollecito. The former interim leader of the mafia, who is fighting cancer, is seeking permission to be tried alone in a separate trial and in an earlier period.

Is that right? Is Stefano really dying of cancer?


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According to Google Translate, the article says:

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"Given his state of health, my client claims the right to be acquitted before he dies. He has not the luxury to wait," thundered Danielle Roy, lawyer of Stefano Sollecito. The former interim leader of the mafia, who is fighting cancer, is seeking permission to be tried alone in a separate trial and in an earlier period.

Is that right? Is Stefano really dying of cancer?


I do not know the type or degree of cancer he has but it was serious enough for a judge to agree to let him out of jail so that he can have his treatments.

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Yep because Leonardo is still behind bars and he would be there with him if he didn't have cancer.

If Stefano dies I got a feeling Rizzuto won't be far behind. His only hope now is Arcadi/Del Balso and I'm not sure even that would save him at this point.

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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Yep because Leonardo is still behind bars and he would be there with him if he didn't have cancer.

If Stefano dies I got a feeling Rizzuto won't be far behind. His only hope now is Arcadi/Del Balso and I'm not sure even that would save him at this point.


I read a blog post from an author who believed that the Arcadi/Del Balso faction is a rival group, fighting for control of Montreal against the remants of the Rizzuto group. The author said Arcadi had been an acting boss for the family and felt he was entitled to the top seat. That's why Lorenzo Giordano was hit, to send Arcadi a message and to weaken his power base.

I'd be curious to hear what others here on the Boards think.


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Yep because Leonardo is still behind bars and he would be there with him if he didn't have cancer.

If Stefano dies I got a feeling Rizzuto won't be far behind. His only hope now is Arcadi/Del Balso and I'm not sure even that would save him at this point.


I read a blog post from an author who believed that the Arcadi/Del Balso faction is a rival group, fighting for control of Montreal against the remants of the Rizzuto group. The author said Arcadi had been an acting boss for the family and felt he was entitled to the top seat. That's why Lorenzo Giordano was hit, to send Arcadi a message and to weaken his power base.

I'd be curious to hear what others here on the Boards think.


The one to which I've linked below?

https://panamericancrime.wordpress.com/2016/04/06/the-giordano-murder-and-why-nothing-has-changed/

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Yep because Leonardo is still behind bars and he would be there with him if he didn't have cancer.

If Stefano dies I got a feeling Rizzuto won't be far behind. His only hope now is Arcadi/Del Balso and I'm not sure even that would save him at this point.


I read a blog post from an author who believed that the Arcadi/Del Balso faction is a rival group, fighting for control of Montreal against the remants of the Rizzuto group. The author said Arcadi had been an acting boss for the family and felt he was entitled to the top seat. That's why Lorenzo Giordano was hit, to send Arcadi a message and to weaken his power base.

I'd be curious to hear what others here on the Boards think.


The one to which I've linked below?

https://panamericancrime.wordpress.com/2016/04/06/the-giordano-murder-and-why-nothing-has-changed/


Yes, that article and that blog in general. I'm skeptical because the author isn't a journalist... but his theory that it's an internal split between multiple different Montreal factions makes a bit more sense than assuming all of the violence is simply from the Dejardins (sp) group linked with the Calabrians from Toronto.

There could be three factions: Rizzutos/Sollecitos vs Dejardins/Calabrians in Toronto vs Acardi/Del Balso. But I'm curious what you think Antimafia and what Ciment thinks.


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Yep because Leonardo is still behind bars and he would be there with him if he didn't have cancer.

If Stefano dies I got a feeling Rizzuto won't be far behind. His only hope now is Arcadi/Del Balso and I'm not sure even that would save him at this point.


I read a blog post from an author who believed that the Arcadi/Del Balso faction is a rival group, fighting for control of Montreal against the remants of the Rizzuto group. The author said Arcadi had been an acting boss for the family and felt he was entitled to the top seat. That's why Lorenzo Giordano was hit, to send Arcadi a message and to weaken his power base.

I'd be curious to hear what others here on the Boards think.


The one to which I've linked below?

https://panamericancrime.wordpress.com/2016/04/06/the-giordano-murder-and-why-nothing-has-changed/


Yes, that article and that blog in general. I'm skeptical because the author isn't a journalist... but his theory that it's an internal split between multiple different Montreal factions makes a bit more sense than assuming all of the violence is simply from the Dejardins (sp) group linked with the Calabrians from Toronto.

There could be three factions: Rizzutos/Sollecitos vs Dejardins/Calabrians in Toronto vs Acardi/Del Balso. But I'm curious what you think Antimafia and what Ciment thinks.


I find the article mentioned above to contain several errors and I wouldn't put too much weight in what was written.
With regards to the three factions mention, others may disagree but I do not believe that Arcadi/Del Balso splitted from the Rizzuto clan. There may have been disagreement between them as to who is in charge but I do not think it went any further than that. The split within the Sicilian clan was among the Rizzuto's and the Arcuri's.

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https://twitter.com/DomenicFazioli/status/861021471698767877

Sources say 2 armed men broke into Laval home of mobster Francesco Del Balso today. He wasn't there. Del Balso arrested in Projet Colisée https://t.co/p8jUB2kVrQ

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Mobster Del Balso arrested after a home robbery at his home.

The guy wasn't wearing his ankle bracelet.

Last edited by Ciment; 05/07/17 08:17 AM.
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