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Re: Camorra news [Re: Wilson101] #927729
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Vegas Mikey please delete that thread asap . Season 3 hasn't started yet in the US and that post just about fucks the entire season 3 up for everyone . Come on man you know better then that

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Vegas Mikey please delete that thread asap . Season 3 hasn't started yet in the US and that post just about fucks the entire season 3 up for everyone . Come on man you know better then that

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Armando Schiavone: arrested accountant of the Casalesi
January 26, 2018
Armando Schiavone will have to serve a sentence of over 9 years imprisonment
Armando Schiavone was arrested by agents of the Caserta Mobile Squad. Since last November, his tracks had been lost. Now, he will have to serve a sentence of nine years and three months imprisonment for mafia-type criminal association. Not only. In fact, the other charges that hang on his head are the criminal association aimed at the abusive exercise of gambling and betting activities, illicit competition with violence and threats and money laundering. In addition, there is the aggravating circumstance of having favored the Casalesi clan .

Schiavone was arrested in Cercola, in the province of Naples. But it does not end here. In fact, at the time of the arrest, the man was in the company of two subjects. Both were reported to the judicial authority for personal aid aggravated by the mafia purpose.


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Italian mafia sees huge increase in women mobsters - and they're often more violent than the men

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Strax if you read parts of Antonio Iovine's testimony you will see that the Casalesi were on the same level as the Sicilians.
It was Iovine who killed Ciro Nuvoletta.

Iovine has also told prosecutors that the Camorra was able to build a lucrative criminal empire with the collusion of corrupt politicians across the political spectrum, but now he wants to create a new life.

“I began co-operating so I could have a better future, to turn my life around,” Iovine said during four hours of video evidence on Friday.

The former boss recounted details of corrupt politicians from the Left and Right, including a former local mayor, Enrico Fabozzi, from the centre-left Democratic party of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Mr Fabozzi is accused of having colluded with the mafia


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casalesi were not on the same level of sicilians
they were members of cosa nostra, but the sicilian mafia was by far stronger, i mean in the 1980s

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I think Hollander was talking about 2000-2010 period,not the 1980's. If we are talking about that period, i agree they were on same level as Sicilians,Casalesi are more like Sicilian Mafia family ,rather than a camorra clan.

I don't know how powerful they are nowadays,but they are for sure one of most powerful in Naples.

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As recently as 2013 they controlled all the fruit markets between Caserta and Palermo with the Corleonesi.

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I remember reading Roberto Savianos book Gomorrah. He said the Corleonesi didnt want any war with Casalesi cause they were to powerful. Dont know if thats bullshit or not but thats his word.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Strax if you read parts of Antonio Iovine's testimony you will see that the Casalesi were on the same level as the Sicilians.
It was Iovine who killed Ciro Nuvoletta.

Iovine has also told prosecutors that the Camorra was able to build a lucrative criminal empire with the collusion of corrupt politicians across the political spectrum, but now he wants to create a new life.

“I began co-operating so I could have a better future, to turn my life around,” Iovine said during four hours of video evidence on Friday.

The former boss recounted details of corrupt politicians from the Left and Right, including a former local mayor, Enrico Fabozzi, from the centre-left Democratic party of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Mr Fabozzi is accused of having colluded with the mafia



Where can you find his testimony?

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Originally Posted by doggystyle
I remember reading Roberto Savianos book Gomorrah. He said the Corleonesi didnt want any war with Casalesi cause they were to powerful. Dont know if thats bullshit or not but thats his word.


If he meant on Corleonesi from 1980's with Toto Riina,Bagarella etc. ,that is total bullshit , they went to war with everyone who didn't obey their rules.


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I remember reading Roberto Savianos book Gomorrah. He said the Corleonesi didnt want any war with Casalesi cause they were to powerful. Dont know if thats bullshit or not but thats his word.


If he meant on Corleonesi from 1980's with Toto Riina,Bagarella etc. ,that is total bullshit , they went to war with everyone who didn't obey their rules.


But wasnt it Rafaele Cutolo who didnt obey Toto's rules. Better yet he pissed on his shoes when Toto pulled a gun to his head.

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I remember reading Roberto Savianos book Gomorrah. He said the Corleonesi didnt want any war with Casalesi cause they were to powerful. Dont know if thats bullshit or not but thats his word.


If he meant on Corleonesi from 1980's with Toto Riina,Bagarella etc. ,that is total bullshit , they went to war with everyone who didn't obey their rules.


But wasnt it Rafaele Cutolo who didnt obey Toto's rules. Better yet he pissed on his shoes when Toto pulled a gun to his head.



If i remember correctly that story is backed only by Raffaele Cutolo himself and he is crazy , like totally insane.

I never read that story was backed by someone else rather then Cutolo, i don't believe him for a bit. Toto Riina didnt give a shit for anyone,im sure he would shot him without thinking for a second.


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Those guys from Casal di Principe are something else Saviano grew up with them.

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Originally Posted by doggystyle
I remember reading Roberto Savianos book Gomorrah. He said the Corleonesi didnt want any war with Casalesi cause they were to powerful. Dont know if thats bullshit or not but thats his word.


Cosa nostra tried to kill Antonio Bardellino a few times, but failed each time. Anyway the Corleonesi and Casalesi are still close.


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Hollander, do you know where i can find Antonio Iovines testimony?

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Hollander do you believe Antonio Bardellino is alive? According to some witnesses he is alive in South America. And since his body was never found,i am very sceptical


Doggystyle i never managed to find whole testimony only parts from various newspaper articles.

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Hollander do you believe Antonio Bardellino is alive? According to some witnesses he is alive in South America. And since his body was never found,i am very sceptical


Doggystyle i never managed to find whole testimony only parts from various newspaper articles.


No idea if he's alive, the Bardellino family still has some influence it may be a family secret. Maybe some day they talk about it on wiretaps. Angelo Bardellino, son of Ernesto and nephew of Antonio, was sentenced last year to seven years.

You're right you need to google it to read what Iovine testified.

The statements of the former boss of Casalesi have contributed to shed light on the murder of the traffic policeman Antonio Diana, killed at 30 in San Cipriano d'Aversa (Caserta) 11 February 1989. Eliminated because considered a traitor. Seven people were arrested for the murder in 2016.


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Also you have to remember Bidognetti's nephew Gaetano Cerci was close to "Il Puparo" Licio Gelli, head of P2.
Michele Bidognetti now leads the faction of his brother, but was arrested in 2016.

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If he meant on Corleonesi from 1980's with Toto Riina,Bagarella etc. ,that is total bullshit , they went to war with everyone who didn't obey their rules.


saviano is sometimes a bullshitter, if he thinks cutolo or casalesi were even close to sicilian mafia in the 1980s lol totò riina declared war even to italian government
casalesi were part of cosa nostra and they obeyed to riina like the others

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How big is the Camorra when it comes to Counterfeiting. Can they come close to the Asian crime groups? I know when it comes to fashion they are pretty big but in everything else?

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Vegas Mikey please delete that thread asap . Season 3 hasn't started yet in the US and that post just about fucks the entire season 3 up for everyone . Come on man you know better then that


i was super pissed about this mess Vegas mike pulled!!!!!!!!!! the mods should pull it

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Originally Posted by satch7
Vegas Mikey please delete that thread asap . Season 3 hasn't started yet in the US and that post just about fucks the entire season 3 up for everyone . Come on man you know better then that


i was super pissed about this mess Vegas mike pulled!!!!!!!!!! the mods should pull it

What r u 5 yrs. old??..dont read it if it upsets u..cmon..


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I've posted this a dozen times, are you saying this was bullshit?


“The Nuvolettas are the only family outside Sicily that sits in the cupola, the high command of Cosa Nostra. Not simply allies or affiliates, they are one of the most powerful groups in the bosom of the Mafia, with structural ties to the Corleones. So powerful—according to pentito Giovanni Brusca—that when in the late 1990s the Sicilians decided to plant bombs all over Italy, they asked the Marano clan for advice and cooperation.

The Nuvolettas thought the idea was crazy, a strategy that had more to do with political favors than military results.

They refused to participate in the attacks or provide logistical support, a refusal expressed without any hint of reprisal.

Totò Riina personally implored the boss Angelo Nuvoletta to corrupt the judges in his first mass trial, but here too the Marano clan refused to help the military wing of the Corleone family.

During the feuds within La Nuova Famiglia, after their victory over Cutolo, the Nuvolettas sent for Giovanni Brusca, the boss of San Giovanni Jato and the murderer of Judge Giovanni Falcone.* They wanted Brusca to eliminate five people in Campania and dissolve two of them in acid. They called him the way[…]”

Also, I'm sure you seen this before, about the three mafias working together, not everyone doing the bidding of the Sicilians? Seriously, where are you getting this?

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/frie...ce-behind-wholesale-produce-markets.html

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This excerpt always caught my eye too....

“The Casalesi cartel’s strength has always been its ability to handle large drug lots without needing to feed an internal market. They are “present on Rome’s vast drug market, but more significant is their role in the sale of huge consignments.

The 2006 acts of the Anti-Mafia Commission indicate that the Casalesi were supplying the Palermo families with drugs.

( This, I believe is or was true, because of what we saw with Old Bridge in 2008. Sicilian Mafiosi traveling across the Atlantic to meet with high level Gambinos, who were large scale Narcotics traffickers since at least the 70s, maybe more like the 50s. All of them with connections to the Cupola in Sicily. They likely were tired of going through Camorra middlemen. The Gambinos had interest in Venuezuela, I've recently read the Piromallis are there too, probably in partnership with those old school Gambinos and the Caruana Clan...)

Alliances with Nigerian and Albanian clans meant they no longer had to be involved in direct peddling and narcotrafficking operations. Pacts with clans in Lagos and Benin City, alliances with Mafia families in Priŝtina and Tirana, and agreements with Ukrainian Mafiosi in Lviv and Kiev liberated the Casalesi from bottom-rung criminal activities. At the same time the Casalesi received privileged treatment in investments in Eastern Europe and in the purchase of cocaine from Nigeria-based international traffickers.....

So, yeah I think for a time they were stronger than the mafia as far as their ability to generate liquidity. By their own account, they don't share the same philosophy with the Sicilians. It seems to me the politicians have less power in Naples than in Sicily. Naples has always been about the black markets, like moving product, more than extortion in collusion with corrupt politicians.

Put it this way, to my eyes the Sicilian mafia has been the strongest when it operated like the Naples gangs, family controlled narcotics syndicates.( Both the French and Pizza connections seem to be like Golden Ages during those time periods. Hell, throw the Calabrian coke avalanche in there too. The only other comparable times to me were the sack of Palermo, all that concrete money. And the old Citrus wars between the Grecos). It seems that's when they make the most money.

How would you rate the counterfeit business vs the extortion business? Equal? More for extortion? Very curious.....

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Last point for the moment....

A lot of this stuff reminds of the sack of Palermo, this was big money.....

“Current investigations reveal that construction companies connected to the Casalesi clan have infiltrated the TAV or high-speed-train works in the north, just as they have done in the south. A July 1995 investigation coordinated by Judge Franco Imposimato revealed that the large companies that had won bids for the Naples-Rome leg of the TAV then subcontracted the work to Edilsud, a company connected to none other than Michele Zagaria, as well as to dozens of other companies linked with the Casalese cartel. A deal that yielded about 5 billion euros.

“Investigations show that the Zagaria clan had already reached an agreement with the Calabrian ‘Ndrangheta about their firms’ participation in the bidding in the “the event that the TAV were to get as far south as Reggio Calabria.


“Officially there are 517 construction companies in Casal di Principe. A great many of them are direct emanations of the clans, and there are hundreds more in the area, an army ready to cement over anything. The clans have not blocked development in the area, but rather rerouted the benefits into their pockets. In the past five years, veritable commercial thrones of cement have been built in just a few square miles: one of the largest movie theater complexes in Italy in Marcianise; the largest shopping center in southern Italy in Teverola; and the largest shopping center in Europe in Marcianise—all within a region with extremely high unemployment that is continually hemorrhaging emigrants. Enormous commercial complexes”


“Just the real estate assets seized by the Naples DDA in the last few years amount to 750 million euros. The lists are frightening. In the Spartacus trial alone, 199 buildings, 52 pieces of property, 14 companies, 12 automobiles, and 3 boats were confiscated. Over the years, according to a 1996 trial, Schiavone and his trusted men have seen the seizure of assets worth 230 million euros: companies, villas, lands, buildings, and powerful automobiles, including the Jaguar in which Sandokan was found at the time of his first arrest. Confiscations that would have destroyed any company, losses that would have ruined any businessman, economic blows that would have capsized any firm. Anyone but the Casalesi cartel. Every time I read about the seizure of property, every time I see the lists of assets the DDA has confiscated from the bosses, I feel depressed and exhausted; everywhere I turn, everything seems to be theirs. Everything. Land, buffalos, farms, quarries, garages, dairies, hotels, and restaurants. A sort of Camorra omnipotence. I can’t see anything that doesn’t belong to them.


This doesn't strike me as disorganized. I think what you guys mean is that they don't have as many Masonic connections and ties to corrupt politicians. (Also they are horizontal, not vertical like the other two.) But they seem to not really care about politicians favors as being able to make deals with them.


And they do marriages, rather than initiations, since it's based on family. Everyone else is like hired employees, maybe not even actual clan members. To my eyes it's very similar to Mexican cartel federations......



Any thoughts on any of this?.....








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Good posts Cabrini.

A 41-year-old from San Cipriano d'Aversa, Salvatore Lionetti, was arrested by the police for an attempted extortion of one million euro against an entrepreneur in the province of Modena. Lionetti, called 'O Zingarone, ended up in handcuffs with a 59-year-old AS, considered the principal, and with a third person, considered the mediator.
Lionetti, a resident of Castelfranco for some years, is an old acquaintance of law enforcement. On November 30, 2007 he was injured in a leg in a shooting in the center of Castelfranco..
In October 2015, Lionetti was sentenced in first instance to 5 years and 4 months for the Camorra crimes committed in 2010, as part of the investigation into a group in which the leading figures were Alfonso Perrone called 'O Pazzo and his right-hand man Sigismondo Di Puorto, boss of the Casalesi.


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