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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903624
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It was that relation that led me to believe he was, thanks for the correction antimafia. What region of Italy was callocchia from if I may ask ?

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: cdn_wiseguy] #903626
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Originally Posted By: cdn_wiseguy
Pizzi was arrested with Liborio C as part of project clemenza and shared a couple of charges from working together.

Pizzi is quite intriguing. In working with [BadWord], one would assume he was still in the Rizzuto camp. But the Callochia death was bizzare because it sounded like Pizzi was possibly involved in that. (or maybe he was also an intended target and really did just happen to go to the bathroom at the exact time that the hitmen came for Callochia and didn't have a chance at Pizzi who was also an intended target) But Callochia was also assumed to be in the Rizzuto camp. In any event, whether Pizzi played a part in getting rid of Callochia, I don't know, but I have a feeling that Pizzi has carried on from the gains that Callochia made.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Callochia took up a lot territory in riviere do prairies area after De Vito was arrested/died in prison. De Vito's crew was hit pretty hard as well. An educated guess could be that Pizzi has tried to keep what Collochia has taken over, and what left of De Vito's crew is trying to regain it or what was left possibly joined with the Scoppas who were associcated with De Vito and both De Vito and Scoppas had ties to the hells, which coincides with that last article that Ciment posted)



Pizzi did indeed seem to take alot of space in rdp which used to be a stronghold for both desjardins/Mirarchi and De Vito

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Sonny_Black] #903627
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
We definitely need to be careful with the supposed ancestry of some individuals.

A good site that gives some indication:
http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-v...=6#.WGww-b3vLqA


Your right, Andre Cedilot in this article is the same guy that wrote in Mafia Inc. that Joe DiMaulo was from Calabria instead of Campobasso.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: cdn_wiseguy] #903632
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Originally Posted By: cdn_wiseguy
Pizzi was arrested with Liborio C as part of project clemenza and shared a couple of charges from working together.

Pizzi is quite intriguing. In working with [BadWord], one would assume he was still in the Rizzuto camp. But the Callochia death was bizzare because it sounded like Pizzi was possibly involved in that. (or maybe he was also an intended target and really did just happen to go to the bathroom at the exact time that the hitmen came for Callochia and didn't have a chance at Pizzi who was also an intended target) But Callochia was also assumed to be in the Rizzuto camp. In any event, whether Pizzi played a part in getting rid of Callochia, I don't know, but I have a feeling that Pizzi has carried on from the gains that Callochia made.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Callochia took up a lot territory in riviere do prairies area after De Vito was arrested/died in prison. De Vito's crew was hit pretty hard as well. An educated guess could be that Pizzi has tried to keep what Collochia has taken over, and what left of De Vito's crew is trying to regain it or what was left possibly joined with the Scoppas who were associcated with De Vito and both De Vito and Scoppas had ties to the hells, which coincides with that last article that Ciment posted)



Funny I had my doubts with Pizzi also, the washroom scenario made me think of Luciano/Masseria scene. Luciano goes to the washroom and Masseria gets killed.

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Originally Posted By: cdn_wiseguy
Pizzi was arrested with Liborio C as part of project clemenza and shared a couple of charges from working together.

Pizzi is quite intriguing. In working with [BadWord], one would assume he was still in the Rizzuto camp. But the Callochia death was bizzare because it sounded like Pizzi was possibly involved in that. (or maybe he was also an intended target and really did just happen to go to the bathroom at the exact time that the hitmen came for Callochia and didn't have a chance at Pizzi who was also an intended target) But Callochia was also assumed to be in the Rizzuto camp. In any event, whether Pizzi played a part in getting rid of Callochia, I don't know, but I have a feeling that Pizzi has carried on from the gains that Callochia made.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Callochia took up a lot territory in riviere do prairies area after De Vito was arrested/died in prison. De Vito's crew was hit pretty hard as well. An educated guess could be that Pizzi has tried to keep what Collochia has taken over, and what left of De Vito's crew is trying to regain it or what was left possibly joined with the Scoppas who were associcated with De Vito and both De Vito and Scoppas had ties to the hells, which coincides with that last article that Ciment posted)



Interesting analysis.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #903714
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Originally Posted By: Ciment
It was that relation that led me to believe he was, thanks for the correction antimafia. What region of Italy was callocchia from if I may ask ?


I am fairly certain that Callocchia has ancestry from Abruzzo. If not Abruzzo, then from Lazio (Rome in particular).

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903715
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Thanks, I think it Abruzzo. I went to check some immigration records there seems to be many of them that came from Aeilli Abruzzo.

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That corresponds with that site I posted earlier. The name exists predominantly in Abruzzo and Lazio.

Does anybody know the ancestry of Pietrantonio? I presumed the guy was Sicilian because he was close to the other Sicilians such as [BadWord], Rizzuto, Lo Presti and later Montagna, but I now think he probably hails from the mainland too.


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Pietrantonio is also from the mainland and most likely central.

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The name is very common but the origin that pops up more frequent by order are from these places is Campobasso, Caserta, Bari.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903857
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So, I'm guessing the guy whom used to owned the salon are associates of Del Balso & Arcadi, and maybe Giordano when he was alive. And the guy whom's wife owns it now, may also be tied with Del Balso at least. Del Balso , Giordano & Arcadi were all close to Domenico Macri. But I think the death of Macri was a blow to the family as a whole, than just those three. Possibly.


Interesting.

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Originally Posted By: Ciment


This is getting personal....homes, hair salons, car dealerships etc..

It seems anyone remotely connected to the Rizzuto clan is getting it in the arse

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903881
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Every day I click on this post first because it's almost GUARANTEED to have a new story on it. lol

This is getting crazy!

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903882
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The pick up in fire bombings and threats reminds me of the year leading up to Vito Rizzuto's release from prison. Vito's opponents were methodical, for the first few years, but just prior to his release things picked up. Opponents rushed and tried to fully have everything under control before he got out so that he couldn't mount a come back. Arcadi and Del Baso are due to be released shortly, and this could be opponents trying to weaken them as much as possible so they have little to work with when they get out. The owner and previous owner's husbands (Cannistraro and Torre) both seem like they are important parts of the Arcadi group.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903891
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Yes it looks like they are not sparing the wife's businesses either. Anything goes.

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http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/2009/03/montreal-mafia-associate-sentenced.html

This was the couple's lavish life style they were living in the Past.

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
That corresponds with that site I posted earlier. The name exists predominantly in Abruzzo and Lazio.

Does anybody know the ancestry of Pietrantonio? I presumed the guy was Sicilian because he was close to the other Sicilians such as [BadWord], Rizzuto, Lo Presti and later Montagna, but I now think he probably hails from the mainland too.


The guy's Campobassane.

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Which part they came from is nice to know, but it doesn't really matter like it didn't matter Gotti was a neapolitan and his underboss Gravano a sicilian.

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Yea, but these Montreal guys, judging from the past, has put more credence into blood lines, and proximities of closeness back in the old country, a lot more than the NY families did post-"Lucianos formation of The Commission" and the years after. They remind me of the construction of the old early 19th century NY families, where the closer you were to their homeland back in Italy, the more trusted you were and more chance you had to rise in the family organization here in America. The Sicilian Rizzuto side I'm assuming always were more close because of the blood line ties, and the dependence on members who hailed from the same towns and its surrounding neighbors back in Italy. I haven't seen enough to suggest that the Calabrians and those not of Sicilian descent don't do the same. Only difference I've seen is that the Calabrians used to be more open and dependent to French Canadian gangsters being amongst them. At least thats what it always seemed like to me.

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Originally Posted By: Hollander
Which part they came from is nice to know, but it doesn't really matter like it didn't matter Gotti was a neapolitan and his underboss Gravano a sicilian.


I understand what you mean, but the misinformation about from where the past and present Montrealers descend is repeatedly spread through books, articles, blog posts, forums, tweets, etc.

If the D'Amicos, Piccirilli, Franco Mattoso, the Di Maulos, and others have been misidentified as Calabrians and continue to be, then we all have to revisit our theories and, perhaps, look for the nuances in the relationships between two or more mobsters, two or more Italian criminal groups, two or more mafia factions within a criminal group, and two or more mafie.

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Yea thats valid, we'd all have to rethink whos really behind this war, whose against whom, and why. Because if it's a mixture of say, Sicilians, Calabrians, Neopolitans, French Canadians, guys from Campobasso, Abruzzi, Bari, on both sides, then it becomes a jumbled mess. And we could all be wrong as to whose behind this, and why this is going on.

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Italians in Canada are mostly 2nd and 3rd generation so their links to the continent tend to be much stronger. People in Montreal and Toronto still speak their local dialects, origins do matter in mafia circles although it's more diversified in North America vs Italy

Canadian authors have rarely grasped the concept of cultural origins within mafia circles and have made multiple mistake in the last few years with respect to who comes from where.

Mobsters like Di Maulo or Mucci became criminals here and we're not initiated into any organization back home mainly because mafia tradition is mostly found in Calabria Sicily and Naples.

The so called Calabrians in Montreal are merely a loose federation or criminals with different ethnic roots much like the Rizzutos had various people from different parts of Italy

The more insular Toronto ndrangheta is composed mainly of Calabrians but even then, associates can be from others parts

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I agree with both posts Sinatra. But I do believe the Montreal Mafia still has the same Cosa Nostra structure with a boss, underboss, consigliere and captains.

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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/01/05/la-mafia-en-pleine-deroute

According to the article the Montreal mafia is defeated and the Calabrians seem to be in a good position to regain control.

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Journal De Montreal translation:



ÉRIC THIBAULT
Thursday, 5 January 2017 23:15Update Thursday, 5 January 2017 23:15
Without rudder, the Montreal mafia is completely disorganized at the end of another year of vendetta marked by the murders of three pillars of the Rizzuto clan.
Decimated by internal wars and police raids, the mafia is still in search of true leadership three years after the death of Vito Rizzuto, who died on December 23, 2013 after being the sponsor for nearly 20 years.
"The Montreal mafia is defeated. It has no rudder or structure as it was when it was headed by Vito Rizzuto or Vincent Cotroni, "says author Pierre De Champlain, an organized crime specialist and ex-intelligence analyst with the RCMP.
"Cleaning up"
According to him, 2016 was "one of the worst years" of the last decade in the murders perpetrated in the mafia milieu.
The fall of the Rizzuto clan accelerated with the assassination of three other major actors: the aspiring godfather Lorenzo Giordano, the interim leader Rocco Sollecito and Vincenzo Spagnolo, considered the "most faithful lieutenant" of the late godfather Rizzuto.
"In my opinion, the Sicilian clan is so weak at the moment that it no longer seems able to retaliate. We are witnessing a clean-up, "observed De Champlain.
The two main known leaders of the mafia, Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito, are awaiting trial for conspiracy, drug trafficking and gangsterism. Son of the late godfather, the former is in prison. Son of the late interim chief, the second is seriously ill.
The "Table de Direction" of the mafia they sat broke out with their arrest a year ago, coinciding with those of the alleged leader of the Hells Angels, Salvatore Cazzetta, and the number one street gang in Montreal , Gregory Woolley.
Return of the Calabrian clan?
"It has often happened in the past, mainly in Sicily and New York, that the mafia has been hit hard and has had to stay in the maquis for a few years before getting back up. Will this be the case in Montreal? "Asks the expert who has long followed the activities of the Montreal mafia while he was employed by the RCMP.
According to him, the year 2017 could give rise to a change of custody.
"The Calabrians seem to be in a good position to regain control," he said, referring to the sons of two ex-sponsors Paolo Violi and Frank Cotroni.
Our investigation office revealed on December 6 that Dominic Violi, born in Montreal and suspected of being linked to the Calabrian mafia of Hamilton, and Michel Cotroni met in October in a restaurant in Baie-D'Urfé, Which has since been ravaged by a suspect fire.
"But we'll have to see how it goes between them and the Hells Angels, who are in full swing," added De Champlain.
The last year was the return of the Hells Angels and bikers are expected to increase their hold on the criminal market in 2017.
Currently, "no criminal organization in Quebec has the ability to stand up to the Hells," say several police sources familiar with the activities of organized crime.
"The bikers are in a strong position. Unlike the mafia, it is a global organization, well structured and implemented throughout Quebec. It's not the workforce that's missing, "says Pierre De Champlain, a former intelligence analyst with the RCMP.
They now control the Quebec drug market, to the point of collecting a 10% sales tax from the other criminal groups - even the mafia - on the income they generate on "their" territory.
SharQc survivors
Neutralized by the imprisonment of the majority of their members since Operation SharQC of 2009, bikers have been well served by the confusion surrounding the outcome of the judicial proceedings of this historic police raid.
First, five of them had been released from charges of murder during the trial 14 months ago because the Crown delayed disclosing potentially favorable evidence for their defense.
Then, on appeal to the Court of Appeal from this "serious abuse of process" decried by the trial judge, another 35 Hells who had been found guilty of conspiracy to murder benefited from a significant reduction in their incarceration sentence , last summer.
About twenty of them were released from prison on the spot and the charges against several motorcyclists on the run were finally abandoned.
Full strength
The majority of the 80 members in good standing of the Hells are now at large. The police expect the management of the band to be taken by "pure wool" members after being assumed by former rock machines such as Salvatore Cazzetta as a result of Operation SharQc.
Having replenished their forces, the Hells reactivated four of their five chapters in Quebec and inaugurated a new section in New Brunswick.
The Hells are also assisted by many supporting clubs whose members get their hands dirty in their place in the "arm jobs" and other field crimes.
♦ In October, the head of the Sûreté du Québec, Prud'homme Martin, announced the Journal it would increase by about 30% the number of investigators in the fight brigades organized crime to deal with the rise of the Hells . The future will say whether it will be enough to contain them.

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I respectfully disagree with Pierre (Laurentian) about the sicilians they are part of cosa nostra so the structure is still there if someone gets killed he will be replaced nothing changes.

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When do Leonardo rizzuto trial starts?


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Originally Posted By: Hollander
I respectfully disagree with Pierre (Laurentian) about the sicilians they are part of cosa nostra so the structure is still there if someone gets killed he will be replaced nothing changes.


I don't thing he was saying that there will be no structure at all within the Sicilian clan.
I believe what he is referring about is the structure in command which he compares to what Vito Rizzuto and Vincent Cotroni had. I think what he is saying is that there will be a change in custody of power but the Sicilian clan will still be there in my opinion but will not be as powerful as they were.

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I respectfully disagree with Pierre (Laurentian) about the sicilians they are part of cosa nostra so the structure is still there if someone gets killed he will be replaced nothing changes.


I don't thing he was saying that there will be no structure at all within the Sicilian clan.
I believe what he is referring about is the structure in command which he compares to what Vito Rizzuto and Vincent Cotroni had. I think what he is saying is that there will be a change in custody of power but the Sicilian clan will still be there in my opinion but will not be as powerful as they were.


I agree they are weakened, but there are still so many left in Canada like the C untrera-Caruanas.

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