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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903315
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He may be smart but the reason there has been more blood spilled in this so called second mafia war is the Rizzuto clans reluctance to let go.

In 78-82 after the last Violi got clipped, the Cotronis diplomatically stepped aside and the rest is history.

The only surviving members of the former Montreal Cupola are behind bars.( Arcadi and Del Balso)

In 2016 alone they lost heavy hitters, made men

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Back in 2004 De Vito was still part of the Rizzuto organization. He was caught on tape visiting the cosenza club as late as 2005, perhaps even 2006.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Sonny_Black] #903320
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Back in 2004 De Vito was still part of the Rizzuto organization. He was caught on tape visiting the cosenza club as late as 2005, perhaps even 2006.


"Part" is a strong word...he paid his cut like any other Italian gangster had to, he brought his pizzo as Moreno Gallo did and many many others

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903325
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You may be right eurodave, it could be over. But it's still too early for me to be as sure as you. They've spilled more blood in the so called second mafia war, but could that be that they are just weathering the storm? Everyone was wondering why they weren't retaliating very much during the first part of the war. So there was a large assumption that they were defeated. In reality they still had the man power and finances in place, but just couldn't. They had to wait for their top guys to get out of prison and analyze the landscape of who all was going after them. So long as Arcadi/Del Baso group and Liborio C's group stay aligned with Rizzuto/Sollecito, I think they still have a chance. Again, they have to wait until Arcadi/Del Baso get out, which will be soon, and have to see what happens with the charges against Leonardo/Sollecito and separate charges with Liborio.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903328
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Originally Posted By: eurodave
He may be smart but the reason there has been more blood spilled in this so called second mafia war is the Rizzuto clans reluctance to let go.

In 78-82 after the last Violi got clipped, the Cotronis diplomatically stepped aside and the rest is history.

The only surviving members of the former Montreal Cupola are behind bars.( Arcadi and Del Balso)

In 2016 alone they lost heavy hitters, made men



Well theres still Leonardo & Stefano. And IF, a real IF, Leonardo & Stefano , Arcadi & Del Balso can put their alleged differences aside, you dont think they could at least put up a fight? And they still might very well have allies on the street, seeing as violence is still occuring and the "Rizzuto clan" hasnt seemed to be giving up just yet. And as mentioned, the [BadWord], at least Liborio, seems to be maintaining the [BadWord]/Rizzuto alliance.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903331
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Honestly I wouldn't say with certainty that they are done, I can't make such blank statements and clearly they have a sizable support group which seems to consist of second generation sons, sons who's fathers have been killed in the second mafia war.

What I'm getting to is their names and past history is carrying less and less weight over the last 4 years or so. Rivals feel empowered and are seemingly bold as of late.

That being said, anything can happen

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #903332
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Originally Posted By: Ciment


And Ciment, I could be wrong, but isnt Anti from Canada as well, therefore what you said about people hearing things and researching the Canadian Mafia since the 60s, apply to him as well? Except aside from just word of mouth, he also uses actual RCMP documentation and other forms of documentation to make his posts. And I never doubted or disputed you "following Canadian OC dating back to the 60s", but you aren't the only one, and many of the discussion points, you, Sonny, myself, Cabrini, Euro, Dixie, etc, and theories and news we debate about has come from Anti and his posts, just throwing that out there. And yes, Eurodave, I understand that his post dealt with the past however its still within the discusssion as it goes to show despite what some here believe, Vito did still have allies in Toronto, Ontario which kept these groups from acting out directly against him and his leadership. And as already explained, The Rizzutos were a formidable force, thats undeniable, but as myself and others have said, his leadership skills were obviously one in a million. And his successors simply werent able to be diplomatic in the way he was and couldnt maintain those relationships and bonds, to keep their leadership position in tact and protected after he was extradited and convicted.

Sinatra.... If you read my statement I never said anything negative about anti mafia. So where do you come off saying such a thing. Why do you make such stupid comments ?




Uhm, where'd I say that you said anything negative about him? I simply asked you a question.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903341
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Originally Posted By: eurodave
He may be smart but the reason there has been more blood spilled in this so called second mafia war is the Rizzuto clans reluctance to let go.

In 78-82 after the last Violi got clipped, the Cotronis diplomatically stepped aside and the rest is history.

The only surviving members of the former Montreal Cupola are behind bars.( Arcadi and Del Balso)

In 2016 alone they lost heavy hitters, made men


I agree, it depends if he can be a diplomat like his father.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903345
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(And Ciment, I could be wrong, but isnt Anti from Canada as well, therefore what you said about people hearing things and researching the Canadian Mafia since the 60s, apply to him as well?)

If you look at my statement I used the word "also knowledgeable"...which Includes antimafia. Your words make it look that I singled out anti.Instead my words were complementary.

Uhm... I see that you revised your stand about knowledgeable to include others, I like that.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #903355
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Originally Posted By: eurodave
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Back in 2004 De Vito was still part of the Rizzuto organization. He was caught on tape visiting the cosenza club as late as 2005, perhaps even 2006.


"Part" is a strong word...he paid his cut like any other Italian gangster had to, he brought his pizzo as Moreno Gallo did and many many others


He killed his boss on orders of the Rizzutos and was kicking up to them as well as working with them. There's also an RCMP chart of the Arcadi cell on which he is listed.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903358
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If I am not mistaken, they went a whole two months without anybody getting whacked.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: cdn_wiseguy] #903363
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Originally Posted By: cdn_wiseguy
So long as Arcadi/Del Baso group and Liborio C's group stay aligned with Rizzuto/Sollecito, I think they still have a chance. Again, they have to wait until Arcadi/Del Baso get out, which will be soon, and have to see what happens with the charges against Leonardo/Sollecito and separate charges with Liborio.


Agreed. They have a fighting chance IF Arcadi/Del Baso have not turned on the Rizzuto's. If they jump ship too, I think that really could be the end of the Rizzuto's...

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #903385
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Originally Posted By: Ciment
(And Ciment, I could be wrong, but isnt Anti from Canada as well, therefore what you said about people hearing things and researching the Canadian Mafia since the 60s, apply to him as well?)

If you look at my statement I used the word "also knowledgeable"...which Includes antimafia. Your words make it look that I singled out anti.Instead my words were complementary.

Uhm... I see that you revised your stand about knowledgeable to include others, I like that.







Huh?







I didnt even realize Sonny posted the De Vito film Journal De Montreal article on the previous page before I did. So theres basically two articles stating the exact same thing on the last page. Lol. My bad.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: SinatraClub] #903395
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Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
[quote=Ciment](And Ciment, I could be wrong, but isnt Anti from Canada as well, therefore what you said about people hearing things and researching the Canadian Mafia since the 60s, apply to him as well?)

If you look at my statement I used the word "also knowledgeable"...which Includes antimafia. Your words make it look that I singled out anti.Instead my words were complementary.

Uhm... I see that you revised your stand about knowledgeable to include others, I like that.







Huh?.......Sinatra Club quote: "Well , for one , i didnt state any "facts", just what I thought."








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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903407
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That was in my original post on the matter. I didnt edit that in, if thats what you're implying.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: SinatraClub] #903414
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Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
That was in my original post on the matter. I didnt edit that in, if thats what you're implying.


Huhm....I am confused, are you talking about facts or are you telling me about your thoughts right now ?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903427
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I'm lost.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903479
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La voiture du mafieux Marco Pizzi incendiée à Rivière-des-Prairies

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/01...re-des-prairies

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[quote=antimafia]La voiture du mafieux Marco Pizzi incendiée à Rivière-des-Prairies


This guy has a lot of luck on his side.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903492
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Seriously Marco just give it up already

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One thing you have to give him, he is very dedicated to his work.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903502
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Anybody got a translation for that article ?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903511
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Translations:


FÉLIX SÉGUIN
Monday, 2 January 2017 16:00Update Monday, 2 January 2017 16:00

The year 2017 began as 2016 ended for the mafia Marco Pizzi. His vehicle was burned in the parking lot of his home in Rivières-des-Prairies, in the night from Sunday to Monday.
There were neighbors who called the police after hearing what appeared to be a blast, at 8625 Gouin Boulevard East.
Upon arrival, the firefighters noticed a strong odor of accelerating emanating from the BMW's 46-year-old man.
According to the SPVM, everything points to a fire arson.
No collaboration
It appears that the alleged trafficker offers very little cooperation to the police investigation.
"When we asked him to provide us with the camera recordings from his home surveillance cameras, he said it was not working," a police source said.
Marco Pizzi seems to be a key player in recent upheavals related to the Montreal mafia.
Often targeted
On August 1, he escaped a murder attempt that occurred in broad daylight in Montreal East.
During the last four months, businesses or buildings belonging to him have been targeted by incendiaries. The arson occurred last December 14 . The Automobile Trade Plus business, located on Notre-Dame Street, had been targeted overnight.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: dixiemafia] #903520
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Is there any definitive information on Pizzi yet? (who he's working with) Wasn't there an article stating that he was with meeting with callocchia when callocchia was killed? I think it said he went to the bathroom and it happened when he was gone, so there was a possibility that he was part of the set up, or he was lucky and that was another one of his 9 lives. lol


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #903522
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He owns alot or property and real estate in the eastern part of the city and clearly had some importance within the Rizzuto clan

One of his commercial buildings was formerly owned or linked to Arcuri which I find rather interesting.

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I believe This is all related to the Red street gangs. I believe this all revenge for the murders of chenier and Lamartine. The person that was arrested for the Pizzi missed attempt in August was from the reds. Once the three street bosses got arrested one them being Gregory wooley all hell broke loose. I am not convinced this is a Sicilian against calabrian thing. To many intertwined people from both parties.

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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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FÉLIX SÉGUIN
Monday, 2 January 2017 16:00Update Monday, 2 January 2017 16:00

The year 2017 began as 2016 ended for the mafia Marco Pizzi. His vehicle was burned in the parking lot of his home in Rivières-des-Prairies, in the night from Sunday to Monday.
There were neighbors who called the police after hearing what appeared to be a blast, at 8625 Gouin Boulevard East.
Upon arrival, the firefighters noticed a strong odor of accelerating emanating from the BMW's 46-year-old man.
According to the SPVM, everything points to a fire arson.
No collaboration
It appears that the alleged trafficker offers very little cooperation to the police investigation.
"When we asked him to provide us with the camera recordings from his home surveillance cameras, he said it was not working," a police source said.
Marco Pizzi seems to be a key player in recent upheavals related to the Montreal mafia.
Often targeted
On August 1, he escaped a murder attempt that occurred in broad daylight in Montreal East.
During the last four months, businesses or buildings belonging to him have been targeted by incendiaries. The arson occurred last December 14 . The Automobile Trade Plus business, located on Notre-Dame Street, had been targeted overnight.




Thanks, Ciment.

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Originally Posted By: Booster
I believe This is all related to the Red street gangs. I believe this all revenge for the murders of chenier and Lamartine. The person that was arrested for the Pizzi missed attempt in August was from the reds. Once the three street bosses got arrested one them being Gregory wooley all hell broke loose. I am not convinced this is a Sicilian against calabrian thing. To many intertwined people from both parties.



Interesting theory. But I dont agree with it, too many high profile mob guys have died as a result of all this, Rocco Sollecito, Lorenzo Giordano among them. And pretty much zero street gang casualties. The street gangs specifically the Reds , which I believe is Wooleys group, are connected with the bikers now, and I believe Wooley is now identified more as a Hells Angel, than a Reds leader, I could be wrong. Theres no doubt, at least in my mind, that they may be involved ie. contracted hitters, but I dont believe they're the reason behind all of this. And Im almost sure Operation MAGOT/MASTIF mentioned that one of Wooleys trusted guys now run the Reds, and that he was also indicted along with him. And judging from MASTIF, it seems Wooley and his group, including the Reds were connected with Leonardo Rizzuto & Stefano Sollecito and that the two mentioned were their suppliers.

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You have to remember here was three top gang leaders that got arrested together with wooley. The reds did not want to work with hells unless they had a change of heart. Also how you going to kill a gangster they don't even know where to start.

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