Instead of a Mafia in England we have various groups called 'Firms' operating around major city's in the country back in the 90's you had the Essex Boys and Kenneth Noye's Firm in Kent both of those have fallen.

I know that there's a Firm in Canning Town that even Gerry Adams crew won't mess with, the Johnson Brothers in Wolverhampton went down a couple years ago with Carl being back in jail after failing to re-pay money gained from Fraud whilst his brother Anthony repaid and is still out on the streets (dunno if he's active).

Any other Firm's you can name?

Lot of British firms don't name themselves but people know who they are. It's mostly known by an area etc, lot of firms in Liverpool and the likes of Glasgow, Newcastle and of course London.

The Canning town firm are very powerful

Sinn Fein have a crew?

Well 'ard..

Liverpool is a ground zero for 'crime firms'. There are so many small groups of organized thugs active in the city it isn't even funny. The thing is though, as of late there doesn't seem to be a firm with a steady power in the city. One firm may stay on top for a couple of years, but another one quickly seems ready to take their place.

Glasgow has been 'controlled' by the Daniel family for years, but apparently they have diminished their activity and a few mobs from the city's southside seem to be coming up, ready to take their place.

The London area still has some behind the scenes activity from the traditional powerful families: Adams, Arif, the Canning Town group (who are now mostly based in Essex)...though the presence of any of those groups isn't as aggressive as it once was. Especially the Adams', Brindles and Arifs have taken heavy blows in the last years.
Traditional OC in the East End is done. There are barely any white working class people living in the area now. A lot of South Asians, Caribbeans and white yuppies living there now.
South London, at least parts of it, still have a more substantial British white working class population. Lots of smaller firms operating over there (and into Kent and Essex), though I don't know if their power if of the scale of the Adams and the likes.

Newcastle, Nottingham...and assorted smaller British cities will always have their fair share of firms as well.

The Riley brothers?! They operated around the clerkenwell
Area and clashed with the Adams seeing that's their door step too

How many members does a Firm usually have?

Two. Celtic and Rangers.

It varies. Liverpool to Manchester had a lot of them. Liverpool has the most firms. When I was visiting Liverpool, the Ungies, and Whitneys were the top two in that city with a guy named Smith coming up in a different firm.

Glasgow greet

Anybody has information on a Liverpool old-time gangster named Robert McGorrin aka "Bob the dog"? I read on some forum this is the real name and nickname of the character represented in Graham Johnson's book "The Cartel" as "Fred the rat". He is supposed to be the "founding father" of the biggest drug organization in Liverpool since the 70s. Don't know if he is still alive though.

Also, anything new on Christopher Bailey, the (former?) boss of Nottingham (at least I heard he was)?

Also would be interesting to hear about David Hunt from London, is he still free?


Is he the same Colin Smith whacked in 2007?

Maybe. He was from Toxteeth. There was a Mr. McGorrin at the card house, he was with the Ungies, was in his mid forties when I met him.

Hunt is free and it will probably stay that way. They have zero direct evidence against him. Most of it they got from a novel (and a good one to be honest) written by a bitter ex-gangster who may or may not have made everything up.
If everything that's written about him is true, he's probably the biggest criminal mastermind to ever come out of London.

Question. There was an old boss they called Tacker in Liverpool. That's what they called him, he was involved in many dealings in the city in the 60s, went to prison for a bank job, came out in the 70s and started Liverpool on the road to international drug hub, then went to prison again, then out in the 90s. When I was visiting Liverpool in the early 2000s, he had legal problems, but everyone said he retired when he got out, and the charges were bullocks. Who is this guy?

Think that was a guy named Tommy Comerford. Believe he died in the early 2000's.

Thanks SonnyD, after digging into that name. He matches up with the guy I was trying to think of. Yeah like I said this was the early 2000s during the summer. There was a war going on between the Clarks and Lowery firms I remember, and something about the Garston gang hijacking ships cargo. It was called the Garston gang and not a firm, did not know the difference back then but do now.

Fugitive Liverpool drug boss Robert Gerrard turns himself in
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...urns-himself-in

from 5 to 20 members in a firm . The more you have the more snakes there are

Purple Aki is the most feared man in Liverpool.

Colin and David Gunn ran the Bestwood Cartel in Nottingham in the early 2000s they were crazy they killed guys and fed them to pigs. I think they are both in prison Colin doing life he had the mother and father of a another drug dealer killed. I think David might be out now could be wrong about that

London crime boss Patrick Adams admits to shooting man in the chest after suspecting he was a snitch
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...-man-in-the-che

Patsy has always been the most crazy of the brothers.

It's usually one crew of Enforcers with its own leader then an Administration of a Boss and Underboss, maybe a Business Manager and then a couple of earners

You also get quite a lot of this sort of thing going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38233518

Relatives of deceased Liverpool crime boss lose £2m hidden nest egg
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...-hidden-nest-eg

The feeding to pigs story is probably bullshit, they killed a lot of people though. Bestwood is about 10 minutes from where I live.

Colin ordered the murders of Michael O'Briens parents, not because of drug dealing, O'Brien shot dead Marvyn Bradshaw in front of Jamie Gunn, who is Colin's nephew. They were best friends, Jamie couldn't live with it, became a drug addict and alcaholic, died not long after, Colin Gunn blamed O'Brien for Jamie's death, O'Brien also threatened Colin in court and disrespected Bradshaw's family, laughing and saying his head looked like a doughnut after he shot him when he was getting sentenced.

Colin's goons shot up O'Briens parents house not long after, then threw a grenade through the door. They moved out of Nottingham straight away to the sea side in Lincoln, Colin had a couple of police officers in his pocket, one gave him the location, really disgusting what he did. Should never be released.

David Gunn has been out of prison for a couple of years

Fugitive British drug smuggler gets 13 years for role in 400 kilo cocaine shipment
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/fugitive-british-cocaine-smuggler-gets-13-years

Were the so called Essex Boys a real firm though ? I mean based on what I"ve read about them , they were no more than a bunch of rather inept drug dealers who got too big for their boots .

Also is the Canning Town firm that has been mentioned in this thread the same firm that is allegedly led by David Hunt ?

The "Essex Boys" were just a bunch of obnoxious drug dealers. Now, locally speaking they did have "some" control: Tucker had a few stakes in local bars and nightclubs and his connection to the bouncer scene made sure he did hold some power over some of the drug flow in Essex. In terms of business accumen and (slight) inroads into more organized criminal activity, they were still at least a step above your average "posse" street gang in inner city London.
Nevertheless they were still low on the local food chain and they certainly weren't important enough to warrant them a green light for their reckless and arrogant behavior at the end of their "career" when they were more occupied stuffing coke up their noses and shooting nubain in their veins. At one point they must've upset basically every serious firm in the area, from London to Essex to Kent: Kenneth Noye, the Blundells, the Adams, the Arifs, the Brindles, the Canning Town guys, the Walkers, the Daleys...basically even local firms that hated each others' guts weren't exactly mad to see Tucker, Tate and Rolfe kick the bucket.

Fugitive British drug boss Nicholas Strange brought back from Ibiza and sentenced to 10 years behind bars
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...t-back-from-ibi

Is the so called Liverpool Cartel a firm by the way ? Or is it just a catch all term used to describe various loosely connected firms from Liverpool ?

There was always someone at the top,but it is a few firms involved..Not sure nowadays,as most of the brains of this type of thing are either dead or in jail..Liverpool is a bit feral at the moment,as you have really young lads thinking they are tony Montana because they have done two months for spitting at a police car.

Tommy Adams has been jailed for seven years for money laundering

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-cour...adams-1-5264937

One of Britain's biggest drug lords is jailed for 32 years, he ran drug trafficking from Holland to the UK and Ireland.
James Mulvey, 42, of Solihull, West Midlands, was captured in Latvia. He is a cousin of Gerard "Hatchet" Kavanagh, an Irish criminal who was shot dead in Marbella in 2014.

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?time=68&v=ReYzM3Uq-G8[/video]

He was arrested in Lithuania, not Latvia

You're right!

“Good jobs, boys!” fugitive Liverpool gangster tells cops when they arrest him http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...iverpool-gangster-tells-cops-when-they-a

LMAO, the Scousers are fucking crazy.

Brexit risks ‘sub-optimal’ policing deals across Europe, Scotland’s top cop warns

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/s...s-across-europe-scotlands-top-cop-warns/

Crime boss Terry Adams pays £50,000 to avoid jail

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47145280

Member of feared Adams crime family 'blasted rival in the stomach with handgun over £200,000 debt'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-rival-stomach-handgun-200-000-debt.html

do you know the identity of 2 men

1 scarface a Toxteth man from 1980s

2 Kaiser he was street partners with scarface

both men were heavily linked to Curtis warren 1989-1990


both mentioned repeatedly in graham johnsons crime books

Will be in the area next month, lot going on around there

Are there any reliable intel on British firms working together with Italian groups?

Robert Dawes had links to a Camorra clan. When Dawes got busted in Spain, two of his lieutenants, Nathan Wheat and Kane Price, as well as three Italians who were known Camorristi, including Vincenzo Aprea, were jointly accused as well.

Six guilty of 'rival gang' murder bids

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47975276

Fucking hell, that's some serious "means business"-mugs on those guys

Some more articles on recent gangland activity in Glasgow:

July 2017 – ‘The Dapper Don enters the Glasgow gangland fray’
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15413701.the-dapper-don-enters-the-glasgow-gangland-fray/

‘Glasgow’s dark legacy returns as gangland feuds erupt in public killings’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/22/glasgow-gangland-feuds-erupt-in-public-killings

January 2018 – ‘The downfall of Scotland’s most dangerous crime gang’
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-42635866

April 2018 – ‘MI5 bid to end bloody Daniel-Lyons gangland war by recruiting Costa Del Sol drug lord as peacemaker’
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mi5-spooks-recruit-costa-crime-12324406

October 2018 – ‘Prison violence uncovered as we list high-profile inmates attacked behind bars’
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/prison-violence-uncovered-list-high-13338621

December 2018 – ‘Glasgow’s gangland wars exposed as year of murder and mayhem on streets charted’
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/glasgows-gangland-wars-heat-up-13702133

February 2019 – ‘Narcos unmasked as Sunday Mail reveals Scotland’s most wanted drugs gang’
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scotlands-narcos-sunday-mail-unmasks-13976975

Hopefully interesting stuff.

'Six jailed for more than 104 years over gangland murder plot involving Lyons and Daniel families'

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/six-jailed-gangland-lyons-daniel-16267074

Fucking hell, that Lyons vs Daniel feud is almost like the Hatfields and the McCoys. It's never-ending.

Even though their name is in the news the most, I've heard a few Glasgow locals tell (on some fighting forum) that there are many other firms in Glasgow that are even bigger and more feared, with some of them internationally active as well. According to one guy there's a certain mob in Glasgow that own a room where many digits and quite a few limbs have been removed. Apparently he wasn't at liberty to tell which mob it is and who's behind it, so I'm not sure if he was bullshitting or not.

Last year a report found that 164 gangs and more than 3000 members are under investigation by police in Scotland.

Based on how it was reported it could be assumed that the Gillespie brothers were in a more powerful position than the Lyons and Daniel crews (though there's overlap between Daniel associates and Gillespie guys - Mark Richardson, Martyn Fitzsimmons, etc.) At least they were touted by the press as being the 'most sophisticated' drug trafficking operation in Scotland with international ties until Operation Escalade secured recent convictions and arrest warrants have been issued for the Gillespies

The peaky blinders been recruiting i heard😲

MOST WANTED: Public urged to be vigilant for on-the-run UK crime boss

https://kilkennynow.ie/most-wanted-public-urged-to-be-vigilant-for-on-the-run-uk-crime-boss/

Two Glasgow supergang hoods raked in almost $8million in dirty cash

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/4387555/glasgow-supergang-money/

Man jailed over £53m robbery fighting for life after being shot

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...his-life-after-being-shot-securitas-raid

The Untouchables: How Britain’s top gangsters got rich off armed robberies and smuggling tons of drugs http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...ain-s-top-gangsters-rich-off-armed-robbe

Link to leaked Metropolitan Police Operation Tiberius strategic intelligence report about Organised Crime corruption of officers. Details of 8 major North East/East London OC groups inc Adam's, Hunt's & Bowers:

https://cryptome.org/2019/05/operation-tiberius.pdf

From Glasgow, update on the Kevin Carroll murder and the ongoing feud between the Lyons and Daniels

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...llagher-ross-monaghan-daniel-lyons-gang/

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bloodbath-fears-lyons-daniels-crime-21215404

Prison officer who had sex with Curtis Warren let him use a mobile phone
They had a steamy affair behind bars where he had access to a smuggled phone

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/prison-officer-who-sex-curtis-17550479

Dude , that is 1 ugly woman..sorry , but ,,

Bro the guys inside and on a long bird give him a break lol

From a Spanish strip club straight to jail – Fugitive British drug boss arrested after 6 years on the run http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...b-straight-to-jail-fugitive-british-drug

LMFAO yeah, with all the $$$ he had (has?) he could've/should've pulled something better.

From Cantril Farm to the Costa Del Sol: the brothers behind the real Liverpool mafia
The two men have escaped justice for decades

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cantril-farm-costa-del-sol-17982211

It's not the first time those 2 brothers heading the Cantril Farm, are mentioned. Does anyone know their real names (and the name of that "Bird of prey" guy)? If there are posters from Liverpool here, somebody surely knows who the articles are talking about, yet choose to play the "I am not a rat" mentality, even without being members of the underworld themselves! Ridiculous....I remember there was at least 1 such guy in the past here on the forums (forgot the nickname), who almost boasted of his unwillingness to name real names; what a clown....

I'm afraid only a Liverpool native can for sure know who these people are.
In the UK press they'll seldom release names when it comes to OC until an actual indictment happens. Remember how the Canning Town guys were virtually unknown until the "libel case" despite being operative since the 80's? Or how the Bulwell/Nottingham guys were non-namable until indictment, despite the fact that they had bodies all over England, Spain and the Netherlands (and even today, nobody knows who "The Taxman" is)? Or how "Big Sully" was the top of the food chain in Birmingham before his mansion in Attock was closed on tax evasion charges? I remember reading on some boxing forum about the torture chambers the Ruthersglen group operated in Glasgow years before anybody mentioned their names when they got indicted.

Honestly, I can't fault for instance a Liverpool native for not wanting to name names. These are all extremely dangerous people; among the top of European organized crime. And even after indictment plenty are still powerful operating from prison. Locals have been whacked for not keeping their mouth shut... By comparison, in many ways these people are more dangerous in Europe these days than the Mob is in New York.

But it's not like they are required to testify at a trial or anything like that. Just somebody mentioning a name on a forum discussion, to understand better who we are talking about, isn't something a real crime boss would care about imo.

You'd think so.
In the Netherlands a few months ago there were hits on people just because they talked about our friend from the Rif somewhere, online or in public. Granted, crime bosses with this kind of bloodthirstiness usually don't last very long, but it won't do you much good if they'll get arrested after you're already in the ground

I'm sure the guys are here well-known. Parts of Amsterdam have been dubbed 'Little Liverpool' due to the high concentration of scousers. We will get to know their name if they make it to the UK's most wanted list.

British drug boss once involved in 100KG heroin plot goes on lam after new charges http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...nvolved-in-100kg-heroin-plot-goes-on-lam

Are there a lot of Italian organized crime activities in the UK? I heard some Camorra clans have set up shops in Scotland, but not sure how much power they have out there.

Salford 'fugitive' Jamie Rothwell arrested in Amsterdam

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...salford-fugitive-jamie-rothwell-19470465

Interesting article

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-as-command-and-control-network-is-hit

Encrochat was used by all those big guys from Holland & England.

International drug gang linked to two murder investigations
Two men were killed three years apart in fatal shootings in West Derby area of the city

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.li...tional-drug-gang-linked-two-20299125.amp

Some story, would make a great film!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14564053/mastermind-26million-brinks-mat-robbery-died-penniless/

I THINK THE BIRD OF PREY MAY BE A GUY CALLED LEE EEDLE

Manchester drug gang planned to torture and rob 82-year-old businessman at his family home https://gangstersinc.ning.com/blog/manchester-drug-gang-planned-to-torture-and-rob-82-year-old-busin

London-based gangsters caught with guns sentenced to prison https://gangstersinc.org/blog/london-based-gangsters-caught-with-guns-sentenced-to-prison

Recent article on Glasgow

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-gang-cops-probe-70-21968820