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Re: Toronto-area 'ndrangheta internal war [Re: antimafia] #916278
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Woodbridge café explosion suggests mob tensions ‘are heating up’

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/06/29/man-arrested-after-explosion-rocks-woodbridge-caf.html

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A massive explosion at a Woodbridge café has police wondering if southern Ontario is on the brink of a hot summer of mob violence.

“It’s a suspicious explosion,” Const. Andy Pattenden said after the blast early Thursday, which knocked a wall off the Café Corretto on Winges Rd., near the Hwy. 7 and Weston Rd.

The incident came as investigators probe whether there are connections between a spate of recent mob attacks in Hamilton and York Region....

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Good, let's hope this stuff continues and police can make some progress, like in the case of the Raposo murder.


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Progress? These guys are going to injure or kill a civilian one of these day.


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http://www.citynews.ca/2017/07/05/charges-laid-second-suspect-sought-woodbridge-cafe-explosion/

Charges laid, second suspect sought in Woodbridge cafe explosion.

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"Burned male found at scene of Vaughan cafe explosion charged with arson"

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/74...rged-with-arson
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I still think this arson is in relation to friction within the Siderno Group regarding gambling and loansharking as opposed to disputes with other crime groups about drug turf and cocaine dealing.

The firebombing of the Di Manno bakery, on the other hand, now has me wondering whether there are elements of the Siderno Group who are in business with remnants of the Sollecito-Rizzuto faction in Montreal.

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Originally Posted By: antimafia
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"Burned male found at scene of Vaughan cafe explosion charged with arson"

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/74...rged-with-arson
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I still think this arson is in relation to friction within the Siderno Group regarding gambling and loansharking as opposed to disputes with other crime groups about drug turf and cocaine dealing.

The firebombing of the Di Manno bakery, on the other hand, now has me wondering whether there are elements of the Siderno Group who are in business with remnants of the Sollecito-Rizzuto faction in Montreal.


You caught my curiosity, what makes you think that DiManno's bakery arson was related to the Sollecito/Rizzuto faction ?

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It seems things got worse in Ontario after the murder of the Godfather Rocco Zito.


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"Shootings, explosions, killings and the bloody fight to be ‘the next boss’ after mobster Vito Rizzuto’s death"

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/07...utos-death.html

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Are they saying the wolf pack is with the rizzuto's?


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Are they saying the wolf pack is with the rizzuto's?


I think this was stated in an earlier article.

This is pretty significant:

"At the time of his death, Rizzuto was believed by police to have drafted a “black list” of men in the Commisso family he wanted killed."

It makes sense that the Commisso approval was necessary for the Siderno group to back Montagna and others in their bid to overthrow the Rizzutos. It also makes sense that this Wolfpack Alliance need some backing from other Italian crime groups (perhaps the old Rizzuto group) to go after 'ndrangheta members.


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Are they saying the wolf pack is with the rizzuto's?


This latest article, as well as Rob Lamberti's July 3 article, claim that the Wolf Pack has ties to remnants of the Rizzuto group. However, I don't know just how strong a Sollecito-Rizzuto faction is at this point.

Lamberti is the one who broke this news --
see http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/03/recent-mob-violence-a-drug-war -- but Edwards has scrounged up some interesting tidbits.

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I find this alliance between the Rizzuto clan and the Wolfpack to be a desperate move by the Rizzuto's clan.

It confirms that they were losing the battle in MTL and needed to form an alliance. I feel this alliance is only postponing the inevitable.
Even if this alliance were to succeed in overthrowing the Ndrangheta in Ontario; what would stop the Wolf pack in turning against the Rizzuto clan at some point in time. In my opinion it is an act of desperation.

The Wolf pack also have their enemies in B.C and it seems that the Wolf pack war is also taking place in other parts of Ontario, Ottawa being one of the cities.
One thing for sure, it will be one hell of a war that will be waged in Ontario.

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But the rizzuto's was apart of an alliance anyway and one faction turned on them, Thiers no difference. It's a smart move on their part


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What part do arcadi play in all of this?


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Originally Posted By: Ciment
I find this alliance between the Rizzuto clan and the Wolfpack to be a desperate move by the Rizzuto's clan.

It confirms that they were losing the battle in MTL and needed to form an alliance. I feel this alliance is only postponing the inevitable.
Even if this alliance were to succeed in overthrowing the Ndrangheta in Ontario; what would stop the Wolf pack in turning against the Rizzuto clan at some point in time. In my opinion it is an act of desperation.

The Wolf pack also have their enemies in B.C and it seems that the Wolf pack war is also taking place in other parts of Ontario, Ottawa being one of the cities.
One thing for sure, it will be one hell of a war that will be waged in Ontario.


The Wolf Pack was formed by the Hells Angels I think.


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Two other men who investigators consider to be senior underworld figures in York Region have chosen to quietly leave town over the past month, sources say.

One of those departing is related to Commisso. The other is related to Agostino [BadWord], a former leading member of the Rizzuto crime family in Montreal who was murdered in 2010.


Big Joe maybe?


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http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/slain...k-gang-alliance

Published on: June 8, 2016; this is some info.

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Giuseppe [BadWord] is no longer in Canada, he took a flight to Venezuela.


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http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/slain...k-gang-alliance

Published on: June 8, 2016; this is some info.


I read those guys in BC have ties to the Mexicans, several canadians have been killed over there.


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http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/slain...k-gang-alliance

Published on: June 8, 2016; this is some info.


I read those guys in BC have ties to the Mexicans, several canadians have been killed over there.


Yes, read the same thing.

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But the rizzuto's was apart of an alliance anyway and one faction turned on them, Thiers no difference. It's a smart move on their part


I understand why they did it but I thing they would of been better off brokering a deal with the Ndrangheta from Ontario. These new guys can turn on you on a dime. Furthermore, land you in trouble with the law because they would be more prone to being infiltrated by informants. They do not have the same code as that of Italian mafia's.

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Interesting article. Thanks for posting Hollander.

When Edwards says that 2 senior York region mobsters left town, one related to Commisso and the other to Agostino. Is he saying Commisso's and Cun-trera's are on the same side and worried about the wolf pack alliance? or in was it meant in more general terms such that they both just left because of the tensions

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Originally Posted By: Hollander
Big Joe maybe?


Liborio?

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I understand why they did it but I thing they would of been better off brokering a deal with the Ndrangheta from Ontario.


Might be too late for that.

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Interesting article. Thanks for posting Hollander.

When Edwards says that 2 senior York region mobsters left town, one related to Commisso and the other to Agostino. Is he saying Commisso's and Cun-trera's are on the same side and worried about the wolf pack alliance? or in was it meant in more general terms such that they both just left because of the tensions


I don't think he was saying they were on the same side, he was just mentioning both I think to show that both sides are facing death.

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I think the Rizzutos will use them just like they use the street gangs in Montreal. The Violis are the ones to watch. They killed all of their fathers.


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I wonder if the Rizzutos would've kept the Bonanno flag, even in name only, if it would've preveted this war? Doubtful that NY could've stopped anything though, especially how decimated they were once Massino flipped.

Wonder too where the five families currently stand on all of this? The Gambinos seem to have some connections with the Ndrangheta, and have been at meetings in Canada in the past amongst many different groups (Calabrian and Sicilian). Wonder if they support the Ontario Ndrine groups? Cali and John Gambino are Palermitani whereas the Rizzutos are Agrigentines, so it's not impossible to believe the Gambinos wouldn't necessarily side with the Rizzutos (if they had a stake in the conflict).

Either way, it seems as if almost the entire Rizzuto leadership has been wiped out, so those remaining would probably be smart to cut a truce, but this old world shit goes back so deep for hundreds of years it's probably impossible.

Also, I'm shocked a C.untrera fled to Venezuela. That whole country is so violent and going straight to hell. I talked with someone in Montreal who's family is in the life and they told me that they had fled Caracas a few years prior because of how bad the violence is. Tons of murders and kidnappings... have to go everywhere with a bunch of bodyguards. So if that C.untrera had to flee Canada to go to Venezuela, they must really be scared they're gonna get clipped.


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Good points stubbs. Venezuela is in a political turmoil, but still crucial for the narco-business. Maybe Big Joe stays in Aruba, that's what I would do.


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Originally Posted By: Stubbs
Also, I'm shocked a C.untrera fled to Venezuela. That whole country is so violent and going straight to hell. I talked with someone in Montreal who's family is in the life and they told me that they had fled Caracas a few years prior because of how bad the violence is. Tons of murders and kidnappings... have to go everywhere with a bunch of bodyguards. So if that C.untrera had to flee Canada to go to Venezuela, they must really be scared they're gonna get clipped.


Don't fall for those lies. No reliable source has stated he went to Venezuela.

Based on Business or Blood I'm thinking that Big Joe [BadWord] betrayed the Rizzutos by siding with the Siderno group members.


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Not Liborio, Giuseppe, son of Paolo, nephew to Liborio.


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Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
Not Liborio, Giuseppe, son of Paolo, nephew to Liborio.


Agostino [BadWord] was a cousin of Giuseppe's father. So Liborio is a distant cousin of Giuseppe.


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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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"Burned male found at scene of Vaughan cafe explosion charged with arson"

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/74...rged-with-arson
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I still think this arson is in relation to friction within the Siderno Group regarding gambling and loansharking as opposed to disputes with other crime groups about drug turf and cocaine dealing.

The firebombing of the Di Manno bakery, on the other hand, now has me wondering whether there are elements of the Siderno Group who are in business with remnants of the Sollecito-Rizzuto faction in Montreal.


You caught my curiosity, what makes you think that DiManno's bakery arson was related to the Sollecito/Rizzuto faction ?


The Business or Blood book indicates that Rocco Sollecito had visited Ontario at least six times in the months before Vito Rizzuto's death (December 2013) and that he would have known the mourners from Ontario who paid their respects at Rizzuto's funeral in Quebec. (pp. 267, 268) Sollecito, of course, visited Ontario--Toronto in particular--numerous times over many decades. A lot of the Montrealers who have been part of or involved with the Montreal Mafia were or are no strangers to Toronto and its suburbs. Conversely, you can say the same about Ontario-based members of the 'ndrangheta, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, and American LCN having visited Montreal over the decades.

With whom was Sollecito meeting in Ontario? Who were the members of the 'ndrangheta in Ontario that, according to the aforementioned book (p. 268), were observed attending Rizzuto's funeral--do we automatically assume Pat and/or Angelo Musitano, who might have been worried about being seen associating with members of organized crime? Or were GTA-based Siderno Group members in attendance? Is there any truth to the discovery during the Acero-Krupy operation targeting the 'ndrangheta that Carmine Verduci and Sollecito had links? Any truth to the theory that Verduci was killed because of his ties to Sollecito? Any truth to Sollecito's having close ties with 'ndrangheta clans of the Locride (an area in the province of Reggio Calabria)? Was Sollecito murdered because of his ties to Verduci?

Adrian Humphreys wrote on the day after the murders and attempted murders at the Moka cafe in Woodbridge (June 2015) that the establishment at that address had previously operated under a different name, with different owners. One of the co-owners of the differently named establishment is related to Vito Rizzuto's wife, and this co-owner's name was removed from the paperwork just two days after the business was registered--Verduci was previously seen socializing at this place before it closed down, but we don't know how often.

What follows is a result of some sleuthing on my part. In July 2015, an espresso machine was installed at the Di Manno Bakery in Woodbridge. (It really is just a coincidence that the installation happened in proximity to the shootings at the Moka.) The company that installed the machine is owned by relatives of Rizzuto's wife. The company employee who installed the machine descends from Siderno (Reggio Calabria).

The point I'm trying to make is that one of the many possible reasons there is internal friction in the GTA Siderno Group is that after decades of criminal collaboration with the Montreal Mafia, some Siderno Group members still want to continue doing business with Montreal, most of said business having been conducted in the 2000s and a significant part of said business having been conducted in Italy--the latter is why the 'ndranghetista Carmelo Bruzzese was charged in Italy with being a member of Cosa Nostra, a charge of which he was acquitted.

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