And the article says Hill got it from Polisi, so not really a credible source.

This has always been a bullshit rumor created by henry hill. Now foxy jerothe was a underling of gotti and tommy killed him in 74. I have no doubt that gotti wanted tommy dead and probably was involved in some way. However i doubt he was the triggerman. Tommy agro was most likely the killer. Joseph spione who was related to tommy was most likely killed by the bergin crew. Im still not sure if gotti ever pulled the trigger. He was involved in the mcbratney murder but ralph galione was the triggerman. He was involved in the tony plate murder but willie boy johnson and angelo were probably the killers. Vito borelli seems like another rumor. I think demeo took care of him like he did frank amato. John favara was on his orders but he was in florida to create a alibi

Anthony plate was the most likely if there was one

Nick Pileggi finished "Wiseguy" in late 1985. The first editions were released on a limited basis in December of 1985, just before Big Paul was hit and the book went national in January of 1986. This is very easy to research. Check with the library of congress, or if you have a first addition check the date.

My point is, it's funny how Hill left all of this bullshit out of the first book. Yet when Gotti became the most visible gangster since Capone, Hill slowly but surely had more and more to say about him. At first, on shows like Geraldo, wearing the stupid rubber nose, fake beard, and hat.

There's a reason that Pileggi had nothing to do with "Gangsters and Goodfellas" or this latest pile of shit, and it's not because he didn't like Hill. By all accounts he did. It's because he knew this was all a bullshit money grab, and he'd have no part in ruining his reputation as a journalist.

Verdict: Bullshit.

Nick Pileggi finished "Wiseguy" in late 1985. The first editions were released on a limited basis in December of 1985, just before Big Paul was hit and the book went national in January of 1986. This is very easy to research. Check with the library of congress, or if you have a first addition check the date.

My point is, it's funny how Hill left all of this bullshit out of the first book. Yet when Gotti became the most visible gangster since Capone, Hill slowly but surely had more and more to say about him. At first, on shows like Geraldo, wearing the stupid rubber nose, fake beard, and hat.

There's a reason that Pileggi had nothing to do with "Gangsters and Goodfellas" or this latest pile of shit, and it's not because he didn't like Hill. By all accounts he did. It's because he knew this was all a bullshit money grab, and he'd have no part in ruining his reputation as a journalist.

Verdict: Bullshit.

Nick Pileggi finished "Wiseguy" in late 1985. The first editions were released on a limited basis in December of 1985, just before Big Paul was hit and the book went national in January of 1986. This is very easy to research. Check with the library of congress, or if you have a first addition check the date.

My point is, it's funny how Hill left all of this bullshit out of the first book. Yet when Gotti became the most visible gangster since Capone, Hill slowly but surely had more and more to say about him. At first, on shows like Geraldo, wearing the stupid rubber nose, fake beard, and hat.

There's a reason that Pileggi had nothing to do with "Gangsters and Goodfellas" or this latest pile of shit, and it's not because he didn't like Hill. By all accounts he did. It's because he knew this was all a bullshit money grab, and he'd have no part in ruining his reputation as a journalist.

Verdict: Bullshit.

Same thing with how Hill talks about Karen. Since they divorced and how he tried to get back in the limelight, Hill started making claims about her and trying to make her a whore. He added that story about her having an afair with Vario and almost getting raped by Desimone. The guy abuses what Pileggi and Scorsese gave to get money and get back at people.

The real Tommy DeSimone doesn't quite deserve to have the name he has in crime history. If it weren't for the fact that Joe Pesci is capable of being so funny and so scary on camera, very few people would know that DeSimone exists. So it's obvious that whoever is behind this book is mooching off the reputation created by Goodfellas. This fact alone is a testimonial to Pesci's talent, I guess. The writers should send Pesci royalties.

I firmly believe that several of the minor characters were composites

Nick Pileggi finished "Wiseguy" in late 1985. The first editions were released on a limited basis in December of 1985, just before Big Paul was hit and the book went national in January of 1986. This is very easy to research. Check with the library of congress, or if you have a first addition check the date.

My point is, it's funny how Hill left all of this bullshit out of the first book. Yet when Gotti became the most visible gangster since Capone, Hill slowly but surely had more and more to say about him. At first, on shows like Geraldo, wearing the stupid rubber nose, fake beard, and hat.

There's a reason that Pileggi had nothing to do with "Gangsters and Goodfellas" or this latest pile of shit, and it's not because he didn't like Hill. By all accounts he did. It's because he knew this was all a bullshit money grab, and he'd have no part in ruining his reputation as a journalist.

Verdict: Bullshit.

Good post, Ivan. The thing is, the same can be said for ninety percent of the characters in that book. Most of them were bottom feeding lowlifes, whose violent deaths would have ended in anonymity on page thirty of the Daily News if they weren't resurrected and immortalized by Hill, Pileggi and Scorsese (and I firmly believe that several of the minor characters were composites).

agreed pizz, sounds liked hyped up horseshit to me. sounds like some shit ed scarpo or kenji gallo would write lol

As far as I have been able to gather "Tommy" played by Joe Pesci is a composite of Tommy DeSimone, a couple of Paul Vario's sons, and Robert "Bobby Cabert" Bisaccia. The Bisaccia characterization was shoehorned in by Pesci (Cabert had nothing to do with Hill, Burke, et al) just because Pesci thought he was funny ("like a clown", I guess).

Another example of a composite is the "Frankie Carbone" character, who is a combo of Paolo LiCastri, Angelo Sepe, and Richard Eaton.

I know too much about this shit. Imagine if I spent this brainpower on something worthwhile?

in the book "the Sinatra club" sal polisi says that gotti came to him and told him they were going to whack desimone, and gotti asked polisi to come along with them, polisi declined, he was asked because he was foxy jethroe best friend

in the book "the Sinatra club" sal polisi says that gotti came to him and told him they were going to whack desimone, and gotti asked polisi to come along with them, polisi declined, he was asked because he was foxy jethroe best friend,

so gotti did have a hand in desimone's killing. also I think it's true that vario would not let gotti kill jimmy burke,he was too good as an earner, but, all in all henry hill always was a big liar, and this new book is probably 85 percent fiction.

That's if you believe Polisi. He's another bottom-feeding lowlife and liar.

No offense, Binnie. And I'm not saying this because you're from a very rural part of the country. But you take these lowlifes at their word too easily. Anyone can get a ghostwriter and make a bunch of lies sound real.

I threw that book away on around the tenth page when Polisi said that "we" hit John F. Kennedy. I literally threw it into the fireplace. He's a lowlife rat, and he wouldn't have been privy to such information even if it were true.