No problem, and I want him gone as well. A disgrace to the game.

http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/11/03/alex-rodriguez-cousin-yuri-sucart-peds

what a great link. I wish everyone could see that. can you imagine such a low-life. he's shameless.

Good point with Walter Johnson Bam, i always associate him with the start of the live-ball Era because that's when he won his title. He was clearly the elite pitcher of the Deadball Era though.

Getting back to Rose, of course he belongs in the Hall. Those who banned him were concerned about the imagine if the game, what kind of message they were sending if nothing was done about Rose's gambling. Juan Marichal hit a guy (John Rosboro) over the head with a bat, cracked his skull open, exposed his brain. Roberto Alomar spit in an umpires face. One could have been charged with assault with a deadly weapon, the other shows complete contempt for authority and common decency and they're both in the HOF. What does that do for the imGe of the game, what message do thise acts send out? Rose should be in because he was one of the greatest players ever, at several positions, for a lot of years. And while he is suspected of betting on the Reds, there is no actual proof.

well, to be perfectly honest, pete rose never used steroids, everything he did he did with natural ability.

those who were juiced and set records did far worse than rose, when I started this thread I didn't think he belonged in the hall, but, in view of what others have done, Clemens lying to congress, bonds juicing for years, mcquire, sosa, more than i can mention.

I now think juicers have shamed baseball far more than rose,I say let rose in on the strength of his achievments, but don't let arod in.

Rose's detractors claim that he harmed the "integrity of the game." How does betting on games, after he retired constitute harming the integrity of the game, but players who juiced, such as Barry Bonds, did not. I have heard commentators (ie. Bob Costas) claim that they can justify voting for Bonds into the Hall of Fame, but not Rose....I just can't bring myself to understand that kind of twisted logic.

I agree oldschool. If people like Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa get in and Pete doesn't it's truly a damn shame.

let ROSE in, don't ever let arod in!

If people want to hang their hats on the "Pete was no 'roider," argument, they're liable to be very disappointed in the long run. His close friend Paul Janszen did time for charges related to steroid distribution and his other friend Tommy Gioiosa ran Gold's Gym when it was a school for steroids use. Pete says he didn't use, but Pete lies about pretty much everything:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=steroids&num=2

Pete "may" have used steroids, but we know that Bonds and others did...why is there a double standard?

Because everyone has a selective memory when it comes to their favorites. If Bonds wasn't such a colossal douchebag as a human being, people would be more likely to look the other way. Same goes for A-Roid. But as much as I loathe Bonds, I'll say this for him: He's still a God in San Francisco. A-Roid is hated everywhere he goes.

Bonds was 1000 times the player A-Roid is. Bonds was already a 1st ballot Hall of Famer when he first started juicing in 1998. As i said earlier his Single Season and All Time HR Records should be wiped, as well as his Single Season Slugging % record but other than that he's a member of the Hall of Fame on merit. McGwire and Sosa are the epitome of the Steroid Generation, decent ball players that used steroids to become superstars. Neither should ever be in the HOF, McGwire in particular who claimed that he took Steroids practically all his career for health purposes .

There's no reason at all to ban Rose from the HOF, first it was he could have been betting against his team, and apparently it's now he may have been juicing . No proof to be seen of course, and if anyone seriously believes that there's no Juicers or Managers that manipulated their teams results for profits in the HOF, then i have a bridge for sale.

What about Gaylord Perry in the HOF? A guy who by his own admission cheated for most of his career, for whatever reason Perry admitting that he cheated is not the same as Rose possibly cheating .

Gaylord Perry threw the spitball, an illegal pitch that was outlawed in 1920.

It was common knowledge that Perry used the spitball, which he learned from Bob Shaw in 1964 when they were teammates with the San Francisco Giants.

There were many attempts to catch Perry in the act of "loading up." Most caused great controversy, but none ever resulted in positive proof.

Perry relished the attempts to catch him using the illegal pitch since he believed that batters who thought he was throwing the pitch would be adversely affected.

During the 1971 playoffs between the Giants and the Pittsburgh Pirates, a television reporter asked Perry's five-year-old daughter Allison if her father threw the greaseball.

"It's a hard slider," she responded.

Pete Rose juicing? I just don't see that one.

yeah, Dixie, I can't see it. he started in 1964 and played into the eighties, he earned his place without cheating. unlike others. like aroid. I changed my mind, he belongs in the hall.
no to the juicers.

how can you justify Bonds in the HOF but not Sosa or McGwire?...you either juiced or you didn't....and by judging from the size of Bonds' melon alone...he was a big juice junkie

if you allow one juicer in then you really have a problem. and if you let them all in, then you are letting in cheaters. and the hall of fame is a joke.

I see what you're saying, but as i said earlier it's not exactly clear who did and didn't juice. Without a doubt there are current and future members of the HOF who used steroids. Going back to my earlier example of Gaylord Perry, why is he a member of the HOF? He readily admitted cheating his entire career, going as far as naming his autobiography after it. It's also not as if it was a minor flaw in the rules he exploited or a recent addition, it directly improved his pitches just like PEDS's would someones batting,baserunning,pitching,etc, and the rule was introduced 40+ years before he debuted.

Again from everything i've read Bonds started juicing around 1998, if you have anything that contradicts this then i'd genuinely be interested in seeing it. Now going on the assumption that this is the case, using his full Pirates career and his first 5 with the Giants while factoring in a natural decline, Bonds was HOF already. He was consistently hitting 30+ HR's and stealing 30+ bases with a decent Batting Average and an excellent Slugging %. I honestly don't care if he makes the HOF (he wont) or not, but to say he isn't deserving is incredibly narrowminded imo. As PB said he's not a very nice person, but what he did in his career pre-juice is without a doubt HOF material.

Regarding Sosa and McGwire, i suppose an argument could be made for Sosa. In no way does McGwire deserve it though, the guy admitted he took PED'S for the majority of his career, meaning we pratically never saw him at his unaided capacity. Again Bonds proved himself without PED'S, while McGwire is pretty much the reason why this era is so seedy. Outside of power hitting McGwire did nothing at all, which i think shows how much he needed PED's, even with them he could only hit Homeruns.

Now i know that what i said above, is pretty contridictary but it's pretty much the way i see things.

The official ballot is out for next year's Hall of Fame class:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/102250514/...-of-fame-ballot

It should be easy for people to come up with the maximum ten names. These guys I think everyone should be voting for:

Johnson
Martinez
Smoltz
L. Smith
Biggio
Piazza
Bagwell
Schilling

The last two votes I'd probably give to Tim Raines because he still has a shot and is running out of time, and Larry Walker because he was just way too good to be in danger of falling off the ballot.

Committee elects no one. Oliva, Allen, Kaat, Wills, Minoso had some support. Back in three years.

what about gil hodges? is he in yet?

I still can't understand how so many great players are still left out of the Hall.

it started out as a great thing, but now it's almost ridiculous, biil james wrote a book called "the hall of fame"
he mentions in his book how tinker, evers, and chance got in the hall of fame because of a poem, none were ever great in their playing days.

he goes on to mention many that are in, don't belong in, and many that belong in are left out. it' a great book about the hall of fame.

Binnie do you mean instesd, Whatever happened to the Hall of Fame book? If so great book.

bean, it was written by bill james, a baseball researcher,
it may still be available, maybe amazon. it's really well worth reading. im sure it's titled 'the hall of fame"

Hodges was on this ballot, but didn't do well.

can't figure out why he isn't in. robinson is, reese is, campanella is, snider is. don't seem fair.

Maybe he pissed off the wrong people or something.

Pete Rose was never confused for a humble man, and that didn't and doesn't sit well with a lot of the sniveling liberal sports writers who vote for the Hall. They can contort themselves into a pretzel to support players like Barry Bonds, who by any measure, violated the integrity of the game, but someone like Rose is totally stonewalled.

pete rose gambled, but, he did't cheat by doing steroids.all of pete rose's records were earned. bonds and the rest were cheaters, and, as far as im concerned the juicers records should be erased. and gil hodges should be in the hall.

There were many posts I could have quoted, but I just chose this since it was the first one. Many people claimed that he "influenced games" and "threw games" because of his gambling. BUT that is completely untrue. He bet on the Reds to win EVERY time he bet. He never bet against them. That is fact, read up on it. If anything, that would only make him manage better and want to win more. His focus would have been on his team winning only. Who cares if he bet on his team to win? Put him in the Hall of Fame.