no, he gambled on games when he was manager of the cincinatti reds, which means he could and most likely did influence the result of games. in spite of his glorious records,

his character is seriously flawed.

Put Pete in, he was a degenerate gambler but a great player, OJ is in and he's a murderer

NN78 o.j. being in the football hof is indeed shameful,
perhaps they should take him out,

however pete according to baseball commission sources,
by being manager influenced the final outcome of some games,

aside from being one of the greatest ballplayers ever, don't you think
we have to draw a line when it comes to gambling on your own team. when you are manager?

What he did as a manager shouldn't affect him getting in as a player.

He's a likable guy Binnie, he had a restaurant in Boca for years and has made a good effort to give back to the community and atone for his mistakes IMO. Who am I to judge, everybody has got something wrong with them as my Mother always says. Certainly betting for or against your own team is a serious offense but I think he's been punished enough and he should get in. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last guy to throw a game. I don't know if you follow tennis but they have caught a handful of guys throwing matches over the last few years and they got 2 year suspensions and are back playing.

Hall of Fame. Define it. Pete is famous for many accomplishments, among them is gambling. With the steroid era baseball as a whole has tarnished itself. The HOF has denigrated itself to the level of Madame Tousaud's Wax Museum. I never put much credence in the HOF because many of the players are there because they were compilers; many years playing and stacking up the statistics. The Hall administrators became a bunch of elitist snobs. And let's admit it, baseball has become a 2nd rate sport, dominated by TV coverage and replays. They might as well have robots playing the game.

well, mary you are right in some respects. the steroid era is indeed shameful, and their are many in the hall of fame, who don't deserve to be in. it has became a sham. as has the game itself, high salaries, a slow game, much to slow I might add,

but, mary why cheapen the hof anymore by letting in a man who threw games, must we sink that low.

For me, it's this simple. Pete Rose broke the hits record set by Ty Cobb. By most accounts, Ty Cobb was a complete a-hole. Pete Rose eclipsed Cobb and Rose has been punished for nearly 25 years, which is longer than many sentences served by murderers & rapists. Therefore Pete Rose deserves to be in Cooperstown as a member of the MLB Hall of Fame.

"I am not a role model."---- Charles Barkley.

That's the best quote ever. If Pete Rose doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, no one does.

Does anyone think Mickey Mantle should be thrown out because he was an alcoholic and a lousy father and family man?

No. Because moralists have selective memories. Put him in.

The Hall of Fame announced its Golden Era ballot for players whose careers peaked 1947-72:

http://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/2015-golden-era-committee-ballot

This is the committee that put Ron Santo in 3 years ago (only meets every third year). Announcement should be in early December. Kaat, Hodges, Oliva, and Minoso were all pretty close last time.

Edit: if he were back on the ballot, I don't think any group of voters the HOF has had would vote Rose in. A lot of people who previously pushed for him look like idiots because he lied to their faces for years.

Pete Rose was hell of a ball player. Put him in for that. Not as a manager.

that could very well be, it is a safe bet that he will never be elected, entirely possible for the exact reasons you mentioned. rose as the evidence clearly shows, threw games, and in spite of his great records, how can you justify letting in a man who confessed to throwing games, if you let him in, don't you lower the bar?

mickey mantle never threw games. no yankee ever did.

pete rose did. and that is where the difference lies.

Where's the proof that he ever threw a game?

Mickey Mantle was a bum. So was Babe Ruth, for that matter. Both of them booze addled whore-masters and absentee family men. But they belong in the Hall of Fame based on what they did ON THE FIELD.

And again, where's the proof that Rose ever threw a game? If he did, then I'd be the first one to say that he doesn't belong. But there is no proof, is there?

If memory serves correct, Rose admitted to betting on games. It was never proven he intentionally "threw" games as a player or manager. Given Pete's competitive reputation, I would highly doubt he ever took a dive.

the dowd report states that rose when he was manager of the reds, john dowd believed that rose bet against the reds while he was manager, and, was so deep in debt to bookies that he had influenced games when he was manager. two commissioners, uberroth and giamati, concluded rose was betting against his own team. while he was manager. google rose and its all there.

PB is right there is no evidence that Rose ever threw a game, he claimed that he always bet on the Reds because he was so confident in them.

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.

Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night.

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team," Rose said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498

Who cares anyway? He's already in the more important WWE Hall of Fame for getting tombstoned by Kane . 3:40 on -

He believed? If he had solid proof he would have presented it. And until such proof is presented, he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Show me the proof, besides what that asshole "believed," and I'll go along with keeping Rose out.

ok, here goes. he was betting 10,000 dollars a game, against his own team when he was managing the reds. he was into the books 200,000 gs. now he at first denied everything and later admitted it. every commissioner that reviewed his case came to the same cconclusion. he was betting against his own team. in 1989 sports illustrated issue its clear what he was doing.
betting 10,000 a game against your own team when your manager?
surely its easy to sway the game.

They never PROVED shit. Everything that you just posted, especially the SI article, is HEARSAY. And yes, he admitted to betting baseball, and ON the Reds. He NEVER admitted betting AGAINST the Reds. So post a direct link that cites that he was found guilty of betting against the Reds, or just admit that one doesn't exist.

the only evidence is what the b.b. commissoners, were given. the dowd report. as I said john dowd led a through investigation on pete rose betting on baseball games, he gave his report to two
commissoners, he told them he believed after he investigated

that rose had bet against him own team. bud selig also was told the same thing. all the commissoners agreed to a lifetime ban.

now if you don't believe he was into the books 200,000gs
and they threated to break his legs. then you don't believe SI.
now if he was betting 10.000 a game and managing the reds,
and the the investigating team believed he was betting against his own team, you want concrete evidence which would only be if the game was tied in the 9th and he sent a midget up to bat.

you believe what you want, but, the dowd report is not hearsay, its what the b.b. commissoners have.is it enough for you no,but myself I believe john dowd.

No, you can believe whatever you want. John Dowd never PROVED a fucking thing. He's a lying sack of shit lawyer. He'll follow the money, just like he did when he represented John McCain, who, coincidentally, is another Holier-Than-Thou, cranky old conservative, from Bumblefuck, USA (although I respect him, and in hindsight wish he would have defeated Obama six years ago).

bumblefuck, didn't cordero used to ride him. yeah, he hooked up with cigar one year in the breeders cup.

yeah I remember bumblefuck.

Dowd himself admitted that there was no evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, he said that he "probably" did; and most don't feel confident hanging their hat on "Probably"

"The official Dowd Report says "no evidence was discovered that Rose bet against the Cincinnati Reds."

http://static.espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1212/1475769.html

hmmmm.... I was referring to Wikipedia, says dowd thought he did, and he relayed that to he commishes. guess they were wrong,

anyway new commish coming, lets see how he deals with it.

Binnie I like ya bud but you have to remember that Wiki can be edited by ANYONE and made to look credible. I can make a page of myself and make it look like I'm some CIA double agent.

As for Rose I agree with most and what I have said earlier, his gambling came AFTER his playing carer and when he was a manager only unless I'm thinking wrong.

I think Chubby Checker should be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. He is not in either.

The biggest oversight in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is Johnny Maestro. It's disgraceful that he's been snubbed all these years.

I didn't know that your right he should be in. He still can be right?

The thing that made chubby checker unique was the dance he invented The Twist he gave lesson on Tv on how to do it. Those lessons were shown on tv all the time during commercials. It was similiar to the chest lessons people got during the Boris and Bobby fisher matches.

It was a happening. For that reason alone Checker should have been voted in.

That is really weird that Checker is not in. But, he is not alone sadly. Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Doobie Brothers, Lou Reed, Joe Cocker, Tina Turner (no idea if Ike is in or not), Jim Croce, etc are still waiting.