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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791760
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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791819
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Not with body counts , thought you weren't a murder rate guy lol

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: realnoname] #791825
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Originally Posted By: realnoname
Carparelli had his ankle monitor removed so he could swim in his pool with his kid per court order of July 2, 2014. Looks like the case is still alive.


How did you know that?
Just curious

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I much more curious about that than which city wipes their asses better.

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A more detailed article of the charges.

They were working with the spanish cobras and latin dragons in the robberies


Charges detail mob crew's brazenness
By Jason Meisner, Chicago Tribune
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services
July 26--The Outfit-connected crew had planned the raid on the cartel stash house carefully, using a street gang member who tipped them to a 40-kilogram shipment of cocaine from Mexico that would be warehoused on Chicago's Southeast Side before being cut up for distribution on the street, authorities say.

But what crew leaders didn't know was that the nondescript gray frame house on the 13400 block of South Brandon Avenue was a setup. The cocaine had been planted by law enforcement officials, who wired the home with video and audio surveillance equipment before giving their informant the go-ahead to set the sting in motion.

As an FBI spy plane monitored the Hegewisch neighborhood from the air late July 16, a team of Chicago police and federal agents on the ground watched as reputed Outfit soldiers Robert Panozzo and Paul Koroluk, posing as law enforcement, kicked in the door and grabbed the stacks of narcotics. When agents swooped in and made the arrest, Koroluk still had a police star dangling from his neck, authorities said.

The dramatic sting was the culmination of a monthslong investigation and led to sweeping racketeering and drug charges unveiled in Cook County criminal court last week against Panozzo, Koroluk and three other alleged crew members. The charges alleged an array of crimes going back to at least 2007, from home invasions and armed robberies to burglaries, arson, insurance fraud and prostitution.

Authorities said the crew -- which, according to previous court testimony, has ties to reputed Grand Avenue mob boss Albert "Little Guy" Vena -- robbed cartel stash houses of drugs and cash with a remarkable mix of sophistication and brazen violence, tracking drug dealers with GPS devices and wearing stolen police badges and body armor during the raids.

They had Chicago gang members providing tips and acting as lookouts and used a battery service business in their Near West Side neighborhood as a meeting place to divide up the loot, according to the charges. When an associate was nabbed for a home invasion, the crew plotted to kill the key witness before he could testify and even put the Cook County judge overseeing the case under surveillance, according to authorities.

Authorities say Panozzo, 54, and Koroluk, 55, have also been prolific burglars, using country club membership lists, tips from insurance brokers and other intelligence to identify the high-end homes before they hit them, then fencing stolen merchandise through Wabash Avenue jewelers and other professionals on the take.

Do your IULs have options like these?

A search warrant affidavit filed in the case stated that the crew has "surreptitious and unauthorized links (with) certain employees of state and local government, as well as insurance agents, jewelers, currency exchanges, banks, and business owners."

Joseph Ways Sr., the former second-in-command at the Chicago division of the FBI who now is executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission, said the case shows the mob is still "alive and well" despite recent high-profile prosecutions that decimated much of the Outfit's key leadership.

Ways said that while the Panozzo-Koroluk crew allegedly used many traditional mob schemes, it is also accused of a particularly bold and risky tactic: stealing drugs that originate from powerful drug cartels.

"That's a new twist," Ways said. "To go in and rip off a stash house, depending on where it's at in the supply line ... if you get too close and the wrong people find out, it could be very hazardous to your health."

Authorities said the investigation into the crew began in October, when the would-be hit man informed police of the plot to kill a state witness who was about to testify against Panozzo's associate.

While the charges identify the associate only as "Individual H," numerous sources have confirmed to the Tribune that he is Jeff Hollinghead, 48, a former union truck driver who spent several years running an auto glass store in Las Vegas. After returning to Chicago about six years ago, he teamed up with Panozzo, whose base of operation was in Hollinghead's old neighborhood.

In October 2009, Hollinghead and three others were charged with kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member from his South Side home and holding him for ransom. The man's family called police, who set up a sting with the ransom money, court records show. Hollinghead was arrested by Chicago police and FBI agents as he opened a garbage can in a Bridgeport alley that had been marked with an "X" and removed what he thought was the ransom payment.

When he was arrested, Hollinghead first told authorities he was just looking for a place to relieve himself. Later he told an elaborate story of how he was approached by a man on the street who ordered him at gunpoint to retrieve the bag for him or Hollinghead's wife would be killed, court records show.

According to the search warrant affidavit, police investigating the Panozzo-Koroluk crew got a huge break when Hollinghead began cooperating last November, shortly before he pleaded guilty to the kidnapping charges and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Hollinghead laid out the details of the crew's operation, including how Panozzo used connections with the Spanish Cobras and Latin Dragons street gangs for tips on drug suppliers and the location of stash houses, according to the charges. Police said Hollinghead told them that the crew's technical operations wizard, Maher "Max" Abuhabsah -- who was also charged with racketeering -- ordered GPS tracking devices from a Skokie surveillance store and put them on the cars of their targets so he could track their movements through his smartphone.

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Hollinghead told police that while he was free on bond and awaiting trial, he and Panozzo had discussed arranging the murder of the victim in his case, but the victim had gone into hiding and no one could find him, according to the affidavit. Meanwhile, another informant said Abuhabsah had found the victim's brother's address through Internet research, the affidavit alleged.

Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

Lopez told the Tribune he did meet Hollinghead at the coffee shop but gave him only a copy of his investigator's report, which included a routine public records search that had only outdated addresses for the victim. Lopez said the meeting was part of the normal course of preparing for trial.

"We were trying to locate and interview the victim as part of trial preparations, just like we always do," Lopez said.

A review of court records in Hollinghead's case suggests that eliminating the victim would not have helped him beat the charges. The victim never identified Hollinghead in a lineup, and the main witnesses against him were FBI agents and Chicago police officers who were monitoring the ransom drop site and watched as Hollinghead reached into the garbage can and took the bag, records show.

Raised in the old Italian-American enclave known as "the Patch" on the Near West Side, Panozzo and Koroluk have criminal histories that stretch back decades, court records show.

In 2006 they were both sentenced to seven years in prison for a string of burglaries targeting tony north suburban homes that netted millions in jewelry and other luxury items. Police at the time described the burglars as some of the most sophisticated they'd run across, from the disabling of state-of-the-art alarm systems to the cutting of phone lines before entering the properties. It wasn't until Koroluk slipped up and left footprints in the snow leading to his car that police were able to crack the case.

According to court records, Panozzo got his start as a juice loan collector under former Grand Avenue boss Joseph "The Clown" Lombardo, who was convicted in the landmark Family Secrets trial. Recently, Panozzo was operating a house of prostitution masquerading as a massage parlor in the 800 block of West Superior Street, according to the racketeering charges.

No one answered the door when a Tribune reporter visited the alleged brothel last week. Employees of the hair salon next door said they had been suspicious of the place for months, sometimes spotting beautiful young women dressed in skimpy lingerie escorting men into the building in broad daylight.

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The racketeering charges also allege that Panozzo has a history of violence. According to the affidavit in the case, Panozzo has often bragged to associates that he threw an elderly woman down three flights of stairs to her death in 1987 after tricking her into signing over ownership rights to her three-flat in the 2300 block of West Ohio Street.

Public records show that the woman, Lydia Minneci, 77, signed a quitclaim deed to her home in October 1987 to a man named Steven Brantner, who at the time lived with Panozzo a few blocks away on West Erie Street. Minneci was killed shortly after she signed the papers, though no one was ever arrested, records show.

Four years later, Brantner was also killed, records show. According to the affidavit, Panozzo drove Brantner to the hospital, where he died of bullet wounds. No one was ever charged with his slaying.

As authorities were ramping up their investigation into Panozzo's crew earlier this year, his name surfaced in the sensational trial of former Chicago cop Steve Mandell, who was convicted in February of plotting to kidnap, murder and dismember a local businessman flush with cash.

According to trial testimony, Panozzo had introduced Mandell to real estate mogul George Michael during a July 2012 lunch at La Scarola restaurant on West Grand Avenue. At the table was Vena -- the reputed Outfit boss who replaced Lombardo after he went to prison -- and several other alleged mobsters, according to testimony. Michael, who unbeknownst to his dining companions was an FBI informant, recorded the meeting on a hidden wire, but the recording was never played at Mandell's trial.

Ways, of the Chicago Crime Commission, said it's difficult to tell whether the charges against the Panozzo-Koroluk crew signify a wider investigation of mob activity. With all the recent attention on Chicago's rampant gun violence, organized crime has faded from headlines. But that doesn't mean it's gone away, he said.

"That's the joy of law enforcement," Ways said. "Even if they decide to lay low for a while, you know they'll be back."

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: Scorsese] #791876
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It would appear that the demise of the outfit has been overstated. This is some pretty audacious shit from a flunky street crew, and evidently it's been going on for some time. This surprises me.

Leadership of the outfit has been old since God-knows-when, but it seems older (and less experienced). Vena's what, 70 now (?), and Solly D is a turd.

I'm not sure what to make of Chi these days.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791877
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Vena is 61 I beleive
Cautadella is 59
Matassa is in his late 50s
Mob leadership is always old especially in Chicago
I mean capone era gunman were running the mob innto the 1990s ie accardo and auippa


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
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https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: Scorsese] #791879
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
A more detailed article of the charges.

They were working with the spanish cobras and latin dragons in the robberies


Charges detail mob crew's brazenness
By Jason Meisner, Chicago Tribune
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services
July 26--The Outfit-connected crew had planned the raid on the cartel stash house carefully, using a street gang member who tipped them to a 40-kilogram shipment of cocaine from Mexico that would be warehoused on Chicago's Southeast Side before being cut up for distribution on the street, authorities say.

But what crew leaders didn't know was that the nondescript gray frame house on the 13400 block of South Brandon Avenue was a setup. The cocaine had been planted by law enforcement officials, who wired the home with video and audio surveillance equipment before giving their informant the go-ahead to set the sting in motion.

As an FBI spy plane monitored the Hegewisch neighborhood from the air late July 16, a team of Chicago police and federal agents on the ground watched as reputed Outfit soldiers Robert Panozzo and Paul Koroluk, posing as law enforcement, kicked in the door and grabbed the stacks of narcotics. When agents swooped in and made the arrest, Koroluk still had a police star dangling from his neck, authorities said.

The dramatic sting was the culmination of a monthslong investigation and led to sweeping racketeering and drug charges unveiled in Cook County criminal court last week against Panozzo, Koroluk and three other alleged crew members. The charges alleged an array of crimes going back to at least 2007, from home invasions and armed robberies to burglaries, arson, insurance fraud and prostitution.

Authorities said the crew -- which, according to previous court testimony, has ties to reputed Grand Avenue mob boss Albert "Little Guy" Vena -- robbed cartel stash houses of drugs and cash with a remarkable mix of sophistication and brazen violence, tracking drug dealers with GPS devices and wearing stolen police badges and body armor during the raids.

They had Chicago gang members providing tips and acting as lookouts and used a battery service business in their Near West Side neighborhood as a meeting place to divide up the loot, according to the charges. When an associate was nabbed for a home invasion, the crew plotted to kill the key witness before he could testify and even put the Cook County judge overseeing the case under surveillance, according to authorities.

Authorities say Panozzo, 54, and Koroluk, 55, have also been prolific burglars, using country club membership lists, tips from insurance brokers and other intelligence to identify the high-end homes before they hit them, then fencing stolen merchandise through Wabash Avenue jewelers and other professionals on the take.

Do your IULs have options like these?

A search warrant affidavit filed in the case stated that the crew has "surreptitious and unauthorized links (with) certain employees of state and local government, as well as insurance agents, jewelers, currency exchanges, banks, and business owners."

Joseph Ways Sr., the former second-in-command at the Chicago division of the FBI who now is executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission, said the case shows the mob is still "alive and well" despite recent high-profile prosecutions that decimated much of the Outfit's key leadership.

Ways said that while the Panozzo-Koroluk crew allegedly used many traditional mob schemes, it is also accused of a particularly bold and risky tactic: stealing drugs that originate from powerful drug cartels.

"That's a new twist," Ways said. "To go in and rip off a stash house, depending on where it's at in the supply line ... if you get too close and the wrong people find out, it could be very hazardous to your health."

Authorities said the investigation into the crew began in October, when the would-be hit man informed police of the plot to kill a state witness who was about to testify against Panozzo's associate.

While the charges identify the associate only as "Individual H," numerous sources have confirmed to the Tribune that he is Jeff Hollinghead, 48, a former union truck driver who spent several years running an auto glass store in Las Vegas. After returning to Chicago about six years ago, he teamed up with Panozzo, whose base of operation was in Hollinghead's old neighborhood.

In October 2009, Hollinghead and three others were charged with kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member from his South Side home and holding him for ransom. The man's family called police, who set up a sting with the ransom money, court records show. Hollinghead was arrested by Chicago police and FBI agents as he opened a garbage can in a Bridgeport alley that had been marked with an "X" and removed what he thought was the ransom payment.

When he was arrested, Hollinghead first told authorities he was just looking for a place to relieve himself. Later he told an elaborate story of how he was approached by a man on the street who ordered him at gunpoint to retrieve the bag for him or Hollinghead's wife would be killed, court records show.

According to the search warrant affidavit, police investigating the Panozzo-Koroluk crew got a huge break when Hollinghead began cooperating last November, shortly before he pleaded guilty to the kidnapping charges and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Hollinghead laid out the details of the crew's operation, including how Panozzo used connections with the Spanish Cobras and Latin Dragons street gangs for tips on drug suppliers and the location of stash houses, according to the charges. Police said Hollinghead told them that the crew's technical operations wizard, Maher "Max" Abuhabsah -- who was also charged with racketeering -- ordered GPS tracking devices from a Skokie surveillance store and put them on the cars of their targets so he could track their movements through his smartphone.

Social Security changes you need to know now.

Hollinghead told police that while he was free on bond and awaiting trial, he and Panozzo had discussed arranging the murder of the victim in his case, but the victim had gone into hiding and no one could find him, according to the affidavit. Meanwhile, another informant said Abuhabsah had found the victim's brother's address through Internet research, the affidavit alleged.

Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

Lopez told the Tribune he did meet Hollinghead at the coffee shop but gave him only a copy of his investigator's report, which included a routine public records search that had only outdated addresses for the victim. Lopez said the meeting was part of the normal course of preparing for trial.

"We were trying to locate and interview the victim as part of trial preparations, just like we always do," Lopez said.

A review of court records in Hollinghead's case suggests that eliminating the victim would not have helped him beat the charges. The victim never identified Hollinghead in a lineup, and the main witnesses against him were FBI agents and Chicago police officers who were monitoring the ransom drop site and watched as Hollinghead reached into the garbage can and took the bag, records show.

Raised in the old Italian-American enclave known as "the Patch" on the Near West Side, Panozzo and Koroluk have criminal histories that stretch back decades, court records show.

In 2006 they were both sentenced to seven years in prison for a string of burglaries targeting tony north suburban homes that netted millions in jewelry and other luxury items. Police at the time described the burglars as some of the most sophisticated they'd run across, from the disabling of state-of-the-art alarm systems to the cutting of phone lines before entering the properties. It wasn't until Koroluk slipped up and left footprints in the snow leading to his car that police were able to crack the case.

According to court records, Panozzo got his start as a juice loan collector under former Grand Avenue boss Joseph "The Clown" Lombardo, who was convicted in the landmark Family Secrets trial. Recently, Panozzo was operating a house of prostitution masquerading as a massage parlor in the 800 block of West Superior Street, according to the racketeering charges.

No one answered the door when a Tribune reporter visited the alleged brothel last week. Employees of the hair salon next door said they had been suspicious of the place for months, sometimes spotting beautiful young women dressed in skimpy lingerie escorting men into the building in broad daylight.

International Travel Means Big Opportunities for Producers this Summer.

The racketeering charges also allege that Panozzo has a history of violence. According to the affidavit in the case, Panozzo has often bragged to associates that he threw an elderly woman down three flights of stairs to her death in 1987 after tricking her into signing over ownership rights to her three-flat in the 2300 block of West Ohio Street.

Public records show that the woman, Lydia Minneci, 77, signed a quitclaim deed to her home in October 1987 to a man named Steven Brantner, who at the time lived with Panozzo a few blocks away on West Erie Street. Minneci was killed shortly after she signed the papers, though no one was ever arrested, records show.

Four years later, Brantner was also killed, records show. According to the affidavit, Panozzo drove Brantner to the hospital, where he died of bullet wounds. No one was ever charged with his slaying.

As authorities were ramping up their investigation into Panozzo's crew earlier this year, his name surfaced in the sensational trial of former Chicago cop Steve Mandell, who was convicted in February of plotting to kidnap, murder and dismember a local businessman flush with cash.

According to trial testimony, Panozzo had introduced Mandell to real estate mogul George Michael during a July 2012 lunch at La Scarola restaurant on West Grand Avenue. At the table was Vena -- the reputed Outfit boss who replaced Lombardo after he went to prison -- and several other alleged mobsters, according to testimony. Michael, who unbeknownst to his dining companions was an FBI informant, recorded the meeting on a hidden wire, but the recording was never played at Mandell's trial.

Ways, of the Chicago Crime Commission, said it's difficult to tell whether the charges against the Panozzo-Koroluk crew signify a wider investigation of mob activity. With all the recent attention on Chicago's rampant gun violence, organized crime has faded from headlines. But that doesn't mean it's gone away, he said.

"That's the joy of law enforcement," Ways said. "Even if they decide to lay low for a while, you know they'll be back."



Wait a second, Lopez was giving information to help have an informant killed?

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791880
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Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: Scorsese] #791884
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The C-Note$, Spanish Cobras, and Latin Dragons with connections to the Outfit. Makes me wonder does Outfit associates/soldiers have any partnership with a branch of VLN, Breeds, or Souls being westside groups themselves.

Who knows maybe these Outfit members getting protection in prison from the Folks Nation since the top three are under the 6. lol


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791889
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Assuming this Hollinghead is their only informant, doesn't sound like they have anyone that could bring down anyone with any significance. That is, unless, Panozzo flips.

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Vena is 66, Cataudella is 61, and Matassa is 63.


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791893
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Since when has Outfit leadership not been all old men? Guys RARELY get made before their 50s in Chicago. It's always been that way.

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also, Solly D a turd? The guy basically built the Outfit's Lake County rackets by himself. He is loved & revered universally pretty much by everyone in the organization, from every crew, and he did 16 years doing a headstand.. Is it because he's flashy/pompous?

People placing him below Sam Cataudella are delusional.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Since when has Outfit leadership not been all old men? Guys RARELY get made before their 50s in Chicago. It's always been that way.

Since when has LCN leadership anywhere not been old men other than than the rare example? Lol...dumb.

And inexperienced? I'm not even sure what that means. Solly D, Jimmy I, Toots Caruso, Damico...they just started this life. Sounds like someone's trolling..

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When the Feds pounce, it's over. They don't move until everything is in their court and everything is air tight. The people caught up in this thing are done.

That being said, they seem to have only been interested in the people who were arrested. Seems like they're content to rack up a few "associates."

People in Chicago tend to keep their mouths shut, so I would be surprised if it amounts to more than what it currently appears.

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Wow this story keeps getting better...Joe Lopez has more connections than one might think. Panozzo really doesn't fuck around either...I wouldn't be surprised if he has his guys on the outside start getting their house in order - he obviously isn't afraid to take people out.

Also interesting how many crimes and murders happen here in Chicago as a result of the Outfit, yet never really make headlines or are publicly connected to the Outfit.

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What do you guys know about the Bertuca family in Chicago? I saw old Coconante mentioned them on ANP in connection with Albie - the real connection with the family is Bobby Dominic, who used one of the Bertucas (who was a cop at the time) as his personal muscle:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-...investigation/2

As you can see - the Grand Avenue Crew was robbing drug couriers and stash houses under the guise of being cops (and using real cops) as far back as the late 80s.

Bertuca was a former professional boxer and after he left the CPD under clout, he joined the IL State Troopers. He passed away, but his kids and grand kids still hold clout - a few work for the City of Chicago.

Another left his job following Cooley's allegations that he was working for Pat Marcy, is now the City Attorney for Berwyn:

http://www.berwyn-il.gov/Portals/0/PDFs/law/Legal_Dept_Mission_Statement_on_Letterhead.pdf

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-...on-records-show

The corruption remains thick in Chicago wink

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Here are some Tribune articles. Bertuca

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribu...ent&start=0

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All they have right now is a bunch of Outfit "related" criminals caught in the act.

If they could trace it up higher, they would.

There isn't even definitive proof this is an Outfit scam.

From what I've seen, honestly, I would say its 50-50.

It could be mob related; it could be career crininals doing what career criminals do.

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^lol. No one plays for free in Chicago. These guys have been working for Lombardo & Vena for ages & ages.

This is why made men in Chicago insulate the shit out of themselves. And it works, for the most part. It takes a guy who was privy to top shelf information (Mario Rainone, Bill Jahoda) getting fucked over by them & turning witness, or a bone-headed false move (Lombardo & the Seifert thing, Marcello stupidly confiding in Nick Calabrese), or just plain stupidity (Frank Calabrese) in order to take a made Chicago guy down.

If you think for a second Koroluk & Panozzo weren't kicking up tribute on the oodles upon oodles of profits they were generating, you're dead wrong. These are the same rackets & schemes that Joe Lombardo & his crew were operating back in the day. The crimes & set ups are almost identical. This has always been the Grand Avenue Crews bread & butter. It's just the names & faces are different today.

It's like people are expecting a wiretap with Panozzo pledging allegiance to the Grand Avenue Crew, or for Albie Vena or Bobby Dominic to be caught red handed, draped up in task force garb "ya got me!".

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
^lol. No one plays for free in Chicago. These guys have been working for Lombardo & Vena for ages & ages.

This is why made men in Chicago insulate the shit out of themselves. And it works, for the most part. It takes a guy who was privy to top shelf information (Mario Rainone, Bill Jahoda) getting fucked over by them & turning witness, or a bone-headed false move (Lombardo & the Seifert thing, Marcello stupidly confiding in Nick Calabrese), or just plain stupidity (Frank Calabrese) in order to take a made Chicago guy down.

If you think for a second Koroluk & Panozzo weren't kicking up tribute on the oodles upon oodles of profits they were generating, you're dead wrong. These are the same rackets & schemes that Joe Lombardo & his crew were operating back in the day. The crimes & set ups are almost identical. This has always been the Grand Avenue Crews bread & butter. It's just the names & faces are different today.

It's like people are expecting a wiretap with Panozzo pledging allegiance to the Grand Avenue Crew, or for Albie Vena or Bobby Dominic to be caught red handed, draped up in task force garb "ya got me!".

If you read McScott's article, he cites a source of his who says they almost indicted Vena because they were fairly certain ( I think he even said there were some wiretaps) that they were kicking up to Vena.

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mscott is from detroit. he doesnt have any inside info on the outfit


Thats a lie
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I was never under the impression that DeLaurentis himself built the Lake County enterprise. I've always been under the impression that he stole Hal Smith's enterprise. Perhaps he built upon it, but still...

Next time I go home I'll dig out the wiretap tapes and see if I can't make them available, but my impression upon hearing them was that Solly D was a fucking TURD. Keep in mind, I call a douchebag a douchebag, and he certainly came across as one.

Guy's a stroke

EDIT: Infelise, on the other hand, was all business. Scary, actually.

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Lake county was Joe Amatos till 1976. It was given to Turk Torello who was with cicero. Delaurentis and Marino im assuming, took it over for Infelise/Ferriola, when Turk Died. This article explains how it was given to Turk, and the restaurant name and address the last supper photo was taken at. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-...uppa-mob-trials

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Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
mscott is from detroit. he doesnt have any inside info on the outfit


McScott maybe from Detroit, but he has close contacts with present and former Chicago-based FBI agents who DO (and did) have inside info through their contacts.

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I wrote my second book about the Chicago Outfit and worked for three years in the criminal prosecution/OC dept of the Illinois Atty Generals office in Law School. I understand though if people naturally associate me with Detroit. Since Ive written about Philly too, I consider Det, Chi and Philly my bread and butter per se

Scott Burnstein

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Originally Posted By: scottburn
I wrote my second book about the Chicago Outfit and worked for three years in the criminal prosecution/OC dept of the Illinois Atty Generals office in Law School. I understand though if people naturally associate me with Detroit. Since Ive written about Philly too, I consider Det, Chi and Philly my bread and butter per se

Scott Burnstein


Scott don't pay any attention to Bobbyvegas, he's a clown who posts under several different usernames. Thanks for the articles and insights.

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Scott,

You see the Vice article in White Boy Rick?

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