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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792826
07/30/14 07:06 AM
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This thread is really going nowhere. Nicodemo hasn't been shown to rat on anybody yet. So, stop saying he did. If he does, call him what you want.

Johnny Chang was thought to be part of the Billy Veasey thing. Hasn't been proven. Whether or not he and Phillip Narducci end up going to battle is anyone's guess. As far as who will win; anyone's guess. They were both raised by fathers who were killers. They both understand that it's part of the life.

But, this whole idea of Old School guys coming out of prison going against the other guys is unfounded. Alot of these guys have known each other their entire lives and all of them saw what happens when you start killing each other.

Maybe one of them ends up like Feech LaManna.


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792831
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ThatsLife215,

You may have taken that the wrong way. I'm pretty sure he wasn't calling Nicodemo a rat. He said that Vic DiPietro is cousin to the rat that was allegedly killed by Nicodemo.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792853
07/30/14 08:07 AM
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Well let's see anything I've ever said on here has been fact most of the stuff you guys put up on here is speculation and name-calling about people you haven't even seen in person. Sorry I stepped into your little fantasy world and gave you a dose of reality but like I said before things like rats junkies are things that should be defended especially when they're totally unfounded

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792865
07/30/14 09:26 AM
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Looks like the majority of posters in this thread are "in the know"...I'm jealous


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: LaLouisiane] #792868
07/30/14 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Looks like the majority of posters in this thread are "in the know"...I'm jealous


/me chuckles.



As an aside could people please learn how to quote a conversation. Trying to follow a post or thread is incredibly difficult when the function isnt used properly.
There is an actual quote button, so really no excuses guys.
Just saying, if you want people to read your posts, goes a long way if they're legible.


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792893
07/30/14 10:50 AM
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first off, if you can't even master the quote function, why the hell should i take what you have to say seriously? the preview post button is a useful tool, become acquainted with it for fucks sake!

secondly, all of this fake white nighting, jackie denorscio "they're just guys from the neighborhood" foolishness is just silly. if you are taking bets in south philly and your name comes up on a list of associates, derp, you reap what you sow. who would have thought that in 2014 if you are friends with some local wiseguys and spend time with them that your picture might end up out there? ditto for the women that marry these guys. granted, women are pretty dumb overall but even the most gullible among them know how these guys make a living, so boo fucking hoo for them if they get brought into the fold. children, i can understand, but again when you choose a life of crime it's often your family who suffers the most.

some of you mopes shouldn't even be on this site if some of this stuff really hits home and offends your delicate sense of italian pride. all this fanboy this and fanboy that talk is just plain (C)unty as is constant claims of this vast under the radar street level knowledge. as stupid as some mobsters are, do you really think all of the gossip that you hear in your cheap local $2 yuengling bottle joints is the pulse of the street? stupid wankers! lol


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: LaLouisiane] #792895
07/30/14 11:00 AM
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This thread has gotten out of hand. I understand that everyone isn't going to agree with what everybody says. Can't we just disagree without being disagreeable? I've been on here a while and rarely post but when did we start critiquing people on spelling and calling each other names? Everyday I view this thread I figure someone may say something productive but it keeps getting worse. Just saying.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: NickyWhip] #792962
07/30/14 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
This thread is really going nowhere. Nicodemo hasn't been shown to rat on anybody yet. So, stop saying he did. If he does, call him what you want.

Johnny Chang was thought to be part of the Billy Veasey thing. Hasn't been proven. Whether or not he and Phillip Narducci end up going to battle is anyone's guess. As far as who will win; anyone's guess. They were both raised by fathers who were killers. They both understand that it's part of the life.

But, this whole idea of Old School guys coming out of prison going against the other guys is unfounded. Alot of these guys have known each other their entire lives and all of them saw what happens when you start killing each other.

Maybe one of them ends up like Feech LaManna.


I remember reading an article somewhere, it was thought that Chang was believed to be part of the team that took out Veasey. If I recall, when it first happened it was reported that everyone thought that Billy Veasey was taken out by Stanfa as retaliation for his brother John testifying. Can't remember if it was a George A article or not, sometime later is when they thought that possibly Billy was then done by Chang to retaliate against John Veasey killing his brother, Mikey Chang, in the shooting that also wounded Merlino. I guess brother for brother.

As for Narducci/Chang, I don't think anybody could know for sure without knowing what kind of backing Narducci has. I would think that Mazzone/Chang (Merlino's guys) have a pretty strong backing within the family and a larger faction. All of those guys that were part of the Stanfa war aren't just going to lay down and lose what they fought to take over. You would think some of these guys would have learned that all of the heat they took during the last war was bad for business and try to play nice and fall in line.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792979
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Johnny Chang's Dad comes home from prison real soon (2015). I read he was a MAJOR player and held a ton of respect. Even though he is old and just got done doing a long stretch I would imagine a ton of Wanksters will want to hook up with him. Thats if he even wants back in the life. Highly doubt that Narducci and Chang will let it get there. Chang is very intelligent and even tho Narducci is a " stone cold gangster" I highly doubt he would wanna risk finishing up his life in the BOP especially after taking 20-25 years for that piece of shit Scarfo. Supposedly the Narducci's got are well off so I doubt he is gonna risk his life over a god damn sportsbook at this point. Just my 2 cents

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #792980
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Also NO WAY that lunatic Borgesi will ever be a Boss. If Merlino is still calling the shots why would he put that psycho up as street boss? That will get him arrested quick. If the feds knew George was Street Boss they without a doubt would be looking to nab him more than they already are. They can tolerate a guy like ligambi but Def not a guy like GB.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: kiladelphia_pistolvania] #793002
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Originally Posted By: kiladelphia_pistolvania
Johnny Chang's Dad comes home from prison real soon (2015). I read he was a MAJOR player and held a ton of respect. Even though he is old and just got done doing a long stretch I would imagine a ton of Wanksters will want to hook up with him. Thats if he even wants back in the life. Highly doubt that Narducci and Chang will let it get there. Chang is very intelligent and even tho Narducci is a " stone cold gangster" I highly doubt he would wanna risk finishing up his life in the BOP especially after taking 20-25 years for that piece of shit Scarfo. Supposedly the Narducci's got are well off so I doubt he is gonna risk his life over a god damn sportsbook at this point. Just my 2 cents


I tend to agree with you on the conflict thing. I think these guys are smart enough to know that in this day and age that a street war won't be good business wise for ANY of them. Especially Narducci, if his family is well off like you say. Why risk a life sentence when you just came home recently from 20+ years inside.

As for Joseph Ciancaglini Sr, I think he's done with the life. He is set to be released 5/4/2015 and he will be 80/81 years old. He may be an awesome advisor for his son, but I can't imagine he will want any part of really being in the life. Would imagine he just wants to relax for the remainder of what's left of his life.

I think the original story about Borgesi everybody can conclude was pure BS. I respect Scott Burnstein a lot more than the guy from Cosa Nostra News, and he's said that Skinny Joey continues to run the family from South Florida, with Mazzone as street boss and Johnny Chang #2. Said there is a chance Borgesi could get his old spot at consigliere once Uncle Joe retires, but for now he's just a soldier.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793034
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My take on it is I'm not sure if the being set for life [financially] is good enough.I just think a lot of these guys like the action and its just a way of life for them.I know the guys that served the long prison terms might have a second thought about getting back in.To me a guy like ''Uncle Joe'' can retire,he has the demeanor about him for that.Other guys just like the life,they mite not know how to walk away and relax.I don't know any stats but it would seem to me the majority of the guys would get back in after a prison stretch than not.Same with NY guys.I don't know them as well as Philly but I would also think its in their blood.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793058
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hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793059
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hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793076
07/30/14 11:03 PM
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I hope the philly oc unit and the feds have better intel than an internet message board...im not a huge fan of the federal govt so who knows maybe snooping on message boards, facebook, twitter, etc is there new way to collect confidential informants....

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793080
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I have to agree with merlino on that one,you know philly39 I see your point but you also got to remember that a lot of guys will come on here and say they know this one and that one.Do I think you know these guys,yes I believe you do but a lot of others will say ''hey its the internet,he's just bragging or something''.I'm sure that's the part that would be frustrating to you.Me.personally I just give my opinion,I may be right or wrong.I notice you brought up the Narducci's,I was drawing a blank when you said Frankie,but then I remember Frankie getting violated after he first got out.I rarely see his name on here at all to be honest with you,that's why I first was drawing a blank.Anyway I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: phillyguy39] #793188
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Originally Posted By: phillyguy39
hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's


Nobody here pretended that they are out in the streets and personally know these guys. This is an internet message board about organized crime. We come here to speculate and talk about certain things we find interesting. I find it hard to believe that a couple people here on a message board are making drama for anybody. You think Philly PD and the FBI doesn't already have their own chart of who's who in the Philly family? If not, you are sorely mistaken. They know the players better than any of us do.

And as someone pointed out before, these guys live a public life as gangsters with their pictures all over the internet. It's not like any of the posters here are outing them from their secret life. These guys have pictures all over the internet with other wiseguys. As for Narducci, that speculation didn't start here. That speculation started with George Anastasia and Phil Leonetti. They are the ones who said Narducci would be "one to watch" when he was released from prison and if I recall correctly, Leonetti called him the "realest gangster" in the family.

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Hey merlino i understamd what your sayin im sure the feds have better intel than this site. But im sure they know about this site and glance over it. And what leonetti said is true about him being the realest gangster he could have it he dont want it hes done with that life. As far as george a saying that on mob talk i remember seein it he had nothing else to report. Like the last 1 he did its was pointless didnt make any sense i think it was about uj bein broke or something. They talk about lcn so people will watch

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793211
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Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793215
07/31/14 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: pizzaboy] #793219
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin


Loved the pics man...thread rocks too thanks

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: phillyguy39] #793224
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Originally Posted By: phillyguy39
Hey merlino i understamd what your sayin im sure the feds have better intel than this site. But im sure they know about this site and glance over it. And what leonetti said is true about him being the realest gangster he could have it he dont want it hes done with that life. As far as george a saying that on mob talk i remember seein it he had nothing else to report. Like the last 1 he did its was pointless didnt make any sense i think it was about uj bein broke or something. They talk about lcn so people will watch



yeah like mafia members

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: pizzaboy] #793370
07/31/14 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin


Hahah. All I did was post the article! And I thought who knows, Philly is crazy anything could happen and Borgesi was a top guy 15 years ago so just maybe in a fucked up world it could be true! But after I realized it was BS and the guy revised the story I stopped posting in the thread. And I do have some pictures but a lot of people have been hatin on me about the pics so I haven't posted them. Funny thing is when I don't post any for a while I start getting PMs asking me why I haven't posted any lately. LOL but I am gonna share them tomorrow most likely cause I don't care about the haters I just was waited til people started asking to prove a point!


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #793371
07/31/14 09:34 PM
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I am going to start a new Philly thread tomorrow also I think but not for trolls or any bullshit, just good ole organize crime discussion!


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: cheech] #793622
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I agree wit u Cheech. If the "Mafia Media" dont get something soon, they'll start creating shit like this type of article. "George Boregasi new boss" smh.


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Look what they reported on cosanostranews.com today


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What's the Going Rate for Mafia Membership These Days?

Skinny Joey Merlino.
Tired of being a mob associate and kicking up most of your earnings?

Tired of constantly lying to your superiors about how much you earn so you don't have to kick up as much as you should?

Face it -- you wanna be a made guy... You already maybe did a piece of work for the family (or not, it's not the requirement everyone always thought it was), and you are feeling you deserve to be a soldier.

Well, friends, now that dream can be yours! You can become a full member of the Philadelphia mob for only a one-time payment of $10,000! (Cash, of course.)

Chances are, you won't read an ad like that anytime soon. But believe it or not, for a time it was the case, according to two government witnesses.



Someone could join the Philly mob by making a cash payment to George Borgesi, who belongs to the administration of the family his uncle lorded over and brought back from extinction for Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino, who also was selling mob memberships. (Merlino, however, was getting $100,000 per button -- and this was back in the 1990s.)

This is according to testimonies from two mob turnoats, including New York informant Anthony Aponick, who testified at the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Borgesi and his uncle, mob boss "Uncle Joe" Ligambi last December.

Aponick said he was asked to pay the 10Gs to Borgesi while they were cellmates in a federal prison in West Virginia back in 2003.

"He said I would become a member of his crew. He wanted $10,000."

Aponick was actually getting a bargain. As George Anastasia wrote on Big Trial, that price was a mere 10 percent of what Boston mobster Bobby Luisi said he had to pay Merlino back in the late 1990s to become a made member.

"Whether that was a reflection of an economic downturn in the underworld or whether Aponick was getting a special discount could not be determined. Like Aponick, Luisi became a close associate of Borgesi's. And like Aponick, he eventually became an FBI informant."

What pinged our curiosity was the dollar figure of $10,000.

Ronald Turchi, a convicted arsonist and one-time Mafia consigliere busted to capo in the mid-1990s, had been in and out of prison and was considered a troubled man.

Ligambi, on right, Borgesi

He was also found in the trunk of his wife's car in South Philadelphia around noon on Passyunk Avenue, naked, shot twice in the back of the head. His hands and feet were tied with white rope.

"It was reminiscent of many mob hits of the 1980s," wrote Philly.com.

Turchi was considered an ally of one-time mob boss Ralph Natale, who, it was later learned, only was acting boss because Merlino and his crew, who went to war to end the abrupt, violent reign of the previous boss, John Stanfa, wanted a buffer for law enforcement.

Natale flipped shortly before the Turchi slaying. On the stand in February 2001, Natale said that Turchi was killed for trying to "buy" the job of Philadelphia mob boss by paying $10,000 to a high-ranking Gambino family member.

Ten-thousand dollars, the same amount.... We wonder if this was common practice. Is it still common practice? Exactly how many high-ranking mobsters were selling buttons, and how many mobsters are only mobsters because they paid the fee? And was $10,000 really the going rate?

George Anastasia didn't note in his article what happened to another Anastasia -- namely, Albert (who was called "Don Umberto" by his men, and "Lord High Executioner" by the press). He also was involved in a button-selling racket.

Anastasia was famously whacked in 1957 on the orders of Vito Genovese, who wanted Anastasia gone as part of a plan to take out Frank Costello and assume control of what would become the Genovese family.

Genovese used Anastasia's brutal behavior to help win support. It wasn't a difficult job, as Anastasia was known for being an unstable killer, who had once had a citizen killed because he didn't approve of citizens informing on criminals.

Genovese also highlighted the fact that Anastasia had been selling memberships to what would soon become the Gambino crime family for $50,000, not only a violation of Commission rules, but something that made a lot of members furious. And if that wasn't enough, according to Valachi, Anastasia had been losing large amounts of money at the racetrack, which fueled Anastasia's surliness and unpredictability.

Anastasia may have been selling buttons -- or he may not have been. We do know, however, that on June 17, 1957, Frank Scalice, Anastasia's underboss and the one directly responsible for selling Gambino memberships, was also assassinated. Anastasia deftly approved the hit, and the subsequent murder of Scalice's brother Joseph after offering to forgive threats to avenge Frank.

Was Anastasia punishing his own underling or covering his tracks. I'd say I could not believe Scalice would even try such an audacious stunt without Anastasia's approval. A boss whacking his own underboss is pretty severe stuff.

What is really interesting about all this is the perceived value of mob membership.

Fifty-thousand dollars in 1957 would be worth $422,000 today.

But $10,000 today would be worth $1.2 million in 1957.

Still, it is safe to say that mob membership just isn't what it was worth back in the 1990s...
Posted by Ed Scarpo at 5:17 PM


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #794511
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I was at the federal court when apponick was saying borgesi would sell him his membership for 10k... that apponick guy was a funny witness but was robbing stores and banks while a govt informer....

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The whole membership selling thing just furthers the general opinion that the Philly Crew is not true Cosa Nostra.

No doubt, this stuff happens everywhere in organized crime; greed fuels the underworld. Philly exemplifies that. They pick and choose what works for them from the LCN "handbook of rules".

Can't argue that Scarfo's greed and treachery finished Philly LCN. But, he knew the rules; understood LCN inside/out. He just chose to manipulate them to his advantage.

Stanfa was a last-ditch effort by Gambinos to gain control of Philly. He was a complete fucking dummy fraud who didn't understand LCN. Proof is Previte and Veasey and the 1,000s of hours of tape where he is making threats.

Merlino and Natale?? Yeah, right.

I can't imagine mostly any of the "young turks" faction in Philly, really appreciates or respects LCN. The only guys in Philly who likely understands and respects LCN, are the ones that interact with the NYC families.

I'm not saying LCN should be looked upon like bible study. But jeez, if your gonna do something, do it right.


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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly [Re: HandsomeStevie] #794518
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No way can Borgese go back to modeling, he is too old. He left modeling and went straight to the streets...

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