I believe that all mobsters/gangsters/career criminals have done some Direct or Indirect informing at one point in there lives/careers.

Throughout history Not all have become police/government informers but I believe they all in some way help the law for there own gain

I would like somebody on here to challenge my view

Code of Silence / Honour amongst Thieves what a load of horse shit

even the honourable (fictionalised) Tony Soprano did some ratting

Look what he did to feech lamona and them arabs HA HA

I highly doubt Nicky Scarfo ever helped law enforcement in his life. So I'd have to say I believe you're wrong not all gangsters talk to cops.

who's to say he hasn't informed on any competition to his business in his younger days

You obviously have an ax to grind with this topic. I couldn't give two shits when these guys get sent up for life. You kill people, you belong in jail. Period. But to suggest that every single criminal who ever walked the earth is half-a-rat is absurd. If that's the case, why wouldn't more of them----like a Scarfo or a Persico----flip to help himself after doing twenty or so on a lifetime bid?

Now I agree that there are a lot more rats than what's made public. But to suggest that they're all rats is just too much of a blanket statement. Just my two cents. And welcome to the board, maddog .

Challenge what view?

You made a half assed generalization for shock value with no credible information in your post to back up these statistics you pulled from thin air

marone.

Honour?

You are from France?

Who is to say he has?

good point we will never know. like a lot of mob stuff we like to talk about.

a lot of people on this forum challenge a lot of the information that where provided on the mafia like the wealth and power of some gangsters sometimes without out any credible information to back it up

Code of Silence Omerta' Most Wiseguys live by this code. There are so many wiseguys that went to their grave with all their dirty lil secrets. Some get caught and cannot take their medicine but MOST do their time. There are wiseguys that aren't even mentioned on this site because they were able to stay under the radar, nobody knows who they are, ever think of them? Nope. It's these egomaniac wiseguys or crybaby prima donna guys who make the civilian think that wiseguys are all informants or rats.

Michia!Oops Minchia. I was too mad to even spell my curse word correctly lol

There are plenty of snitches in the mob, but overall, when you look at the statistics of overall made guys who have ratted, it is actually a very small percentage.

Certainly NO WHERE NEAR the "every wiseguy has ratted" quota that the poster is suggesting.

Rubbish.

excellent point. theres quite a few bigtime gangster we will never know of

BUT whos to say the law didnt hellp in keeping themselves under the radar

It's interesting is it not that guys like Amuso, Baratta and Madonna never ratted even though dealing in drugs was/is their stock in trade.

You would just think that anyone heavily involved in drugs - whether they indulge or not - would be more inclined to rat.

Or am I overreaching and underestimating just how much mobsters deal heavily in drugs?

But whos to say they havent set guys up like (if youve watched it) Tony soprano did to feech lamona in season five of the sopranos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrBaFs7Rt2I

Note: I know its Fiction

Both, Moe. Nearly every heavyweight wiseguy who cut his teeth in East Harlem back in the '60s and '70s was neck deep in junk. And most of those convicted did their time like men.

I think I have wrongly titled this thread. It should be do all gangsters work in someway with law enforcement?

You work on a lot of conjecture.

Do me a favor, try not to use fictional mobsters as a point of reference lol.

well what about what gambino did to genovese. didnt he set him up with the law

whos to say they weren't offered a deal? did there time for the safety of there families?

You've backed yourself into a corner. You're making an example of one guy, where you're initial post said "they're ALL rats."

Make up your mind .

oh boy pizzaboy is getting heated!

double post!

Accident. I deleted one .

i never once said "Theyre all rats"

I have changed title. I dont want to get a reputation as an attention seeker

Actually that is exactly what you implied, you just did not use those exact words.

what i mean by:

"Throughout history Not all have become police/government informers but I believe they all in some way help the law for there own gain"

is that I believe that all mobsters have worked to help with there business e.g get rid of competition

Oh, no?

What I mean is they've set guys up for the law probably in a very clever way where they couldn't be found out

This is a ridiculous thread.

Questioning whether "All Gangsters rat" by providing individual examples is pointless and idiotic.

And the "You cant prove all gangsters didnt inform" argument is equally baseless. An argument of merit is one which CAN be proved or disproved, not one which can't. EG You cant 'disprove Santa Claus' is ALOT weaker a contention than one proving him.

So the OBVIOUS answer is NO.

Now can we close this thread please.

Hello Pizzaboy.

I do like a lot of your contributions to this board

Scarfo would more likely murder his competition than rat on them

VERY true

How about Gene Gotti and John Carniglia= both doing 50 years and didn't inform to reduce their sentence

Thank you. And welcome, again. Just go nice and easy, pal .

Don't worry Imn not one these lunatic posters who just likes to cause trouble (Though I admit this thread Makes me look like one of those people)

and my user name

Haha...This reminded me when Ace was walking into Nicky's restaurant and Nicky says "Be nice don't you Fuk up in here." ...Classic

lol

Or hitting the cowboy over the head with the phone after making him apologize for putting his mother fucking stinkin shit kickers on the table

Some do, but not all. Scarfo would have any of his competition killed then inform on them to LE. Even some won't be forth coming with information if they are an informant, just bits and pieces to keep LE interested, and to make sure they are not in hot water with their handlers.

But the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If you're going to say someone might of snitched, you should back it up with evidence or a rationale beyond just "well all of these guys probably do it".

Decades ago, when Italians were viciously discriminated against and opportunities in the legitimate world were constricted, a small number of ambitious and ruthless young men joined the Mafia as a way to make money and get "respect." They kept omerta because it was in their interest to do so: if they "stood up," their families would be taken care of, and they could return to the Borgata in a place of honor, and continue to earn. And, to be fair, before drugs and RICO, sentences were shorter.

Today, college, not the Mob, is the destination for smart young Italian-Americans. The Mob is left with the John and Junior Gotti's of the world. Today it's Cosa Mia, not Cosa Nostra. Many maintain ties with lawmen, who let them know that if they rat out a higher-up, they'll get a pass, or a reduced sentence, on their own crimes and go into Witness Protection.

Maddog - If you are a made guy and you do anything with police to help eliminate the competition and this information gets out, you're boss is probably going to kill you. Best case scenario is nobody is going to trust you and want to work with you again. And a made guy would know this. They would never take the risk. Beyond the fact that they mostly take pride in never working with law enforcement in any way. A small number of guys flip or help LE in some way. Not most I don't think.

An interesting question for you guys on here that have a lot of mafia knowledge....do you think that Castellano and Lucchese provided police with the license plate numbers of guys visiting Frank Matthews on Todt Hill?

Eerie, TB. I posted something very similar in another thread right around the same time you made this post. I must be getting smarter to be keeping up with you .

In the very distant past most did not rat out to the police or other LEOs cutting a deal, or talk about what they did; but in the last 30 or 40 years yeah a lot do talk now. It's also like this in Italy now.

They don't all rat. Two reasons if people thought you might rat as a kid. The kid would never make it to adulthood.

Plus they hate cops above all others. Being a rat would help them you would rather fuck them them help them.

On smart Italians the kids that played soccer for us here in Brooklyn on the Brooklyn Italians were all nice kids but they were school stupid. The girls here are the smart ones, but they really can't play soccer very well. Except my daughter the communist she could really play. Played for Columbia universities soccer team.

She is comming in tommorow for my new Grand daughters baptism.

That cowboy tried to buy the new script for the Irishman staring DeNiro to get the inside track for a part in that movie.

yeah they do rat if not to the police then to the feds or government law enforcement. Haven't you been paying attention to what's been going on in Italy and the United States the past 30 years or so?