Ok NJ--- I will try not to use my mob coded speech with u too much.
I'll letcha warm up a bit...

Who me?...No need for me to warm up....I've been hot since the first day of birth!

Yea I was beginning to worry about U there for a moment Jersey!
Good boy!

I also can't see how Amuso still has the reigns unless it's as a front to take heat off the top guys on the street.

Outside of the disaster in the 90s the Luchese have generally been huge earners and a very strong family IMO . Things appear to be going good at the moment and as mentioned earlier I really am wondering if this is to get some info on the admin, perhaps LE intel is light at the moment .

I was going to leave it alone, DB. But you're a good kid, and I have to reiterate that I agree with that assessment 100%.

It's driving the Feds nuts that they don't even know who the under is right now. They're using Capeci to shake the tree. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

Of course everyone is free to draw their own conclusion. But I stand by my position. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think I'm wrong .

Your rarely wrong PB and I think you were spot on with this one from the beginning .

The 90s were a total mess for these guys but outside of that , they generally know how to conduct business . Them Bronx , E/I guys sure seem to know what they are doing .

Regarding Scarfo Jr., was it even a bad move to make the guy? He seems like a good earner who will do his time without flipping.

Not really. He made a lot of money, and it seems that New York kept him at arm's length. So even if he did flip, which is doubtful anyway, he couldn't hurt the administration.

I don't know much about him. He's a Jersey/Philly guy. But I think it might get interesting when his father passes away. He's like 85 now. So if he dies a few years into Junior's sentence, he may decide to roll. I seriously doubt he'd flip while his old man is still alive.

So you don't think he has much on MY guys? I wonder if he has anything on Philly guys from the 80s/90s. I saw Leonetti saying he should flip and implicate Merlino in his shooting.

NY not MY... Sorry

Also I wonder if a jury would even believe that without any corroboration. Merlino was in disguise. Also good point Pb on his father. Scarfo Sr is such a piece of shit, thats one thing I believe Leonetti on.

Nah. That's a big misconception with these guys. That just anyone can flip. You have to be able to offer them someone worthwhile. And I doubt he has anything on New York, or even the Pernas for that matter. Those are pretty cautious guys.

As far as Philly in the late '80s. Who can he give them, his old man?

Yeah, I don't know. But he has to know SOMETHING and it's not like he was charged with murder. He someone got a Rico conviction for accounting control fraud, he's obviously an idiot... Anyway the point is the feds might be more willing to listen due to his relatively non violent history. And if they're more willing to listen, they might be ok with lesser targets and more vague information. But truthfully I'm just trying to make a logical guess, I (obviously) have no idea. His last name can't help matters, though.

Like even if he could be another witness to corroborate that Crea is boss... Wouldn't that be helpful? Like I said, just a guess. The only neighborhood shit I know is how many kids the divorced mom has down the street

Sure it would be helpful. But I seriously doubt he knows anything. One of the reasons that family has been running so smoothly these past few years is because they seem to leave Jersey to Jersey and Brooklyn to Brooklyn. Everybody's happy. For as long as it lasts, anyway. The Feds can't even name the under right now and it's driving them crazy.

But this shit's all cyclical. There will eventually be a big pinch, someone will flip, and then the general public will know more. That's why I think something is about to jump off. There's something not right about that Gangland article.

But until something happens, that family is running as smoothly as a crime family can run in the 21st century. Lots of shy, lots of book, still some marginal influence in a couple of the unions. If they don't tug on Superman's cape with the murders (with Superman being the government), they should be able to keep the status quo for awhile.

I gotta say that it amazes me that these guys still have their paws in unions in 2014.

Anyway thanks for the reply, PB. Appreciate it.

I do wonder, though, about how big a bust could really be without any murders

Scarfo Junior is gonna get twenty plus years without any murders. All they have to do is tie in a RICO predicate, call it an LCN case, and it's a "big bust."

True. Go to bed.

Well, in all fairness he did earn more coin in a few years than most wiseguys will ever see in two lifetimes.

And in the immortal words of Tony Soprano "This thing's A BUSINESS"

Coin talks bullshit walks.

He also hasnt flipped either.

So respect where due.

All true, Sonny Boy. All true.

What good is the money if you are locked up for life at 50? I understand your points though, good post.

Yup. It applies to all of them, though.

I hate using Hollywood media references, but the Sammy character had a great line in "Gotti," with Armand Assante. It went "drug money ain't a good enough reason to do twenty years," or something like that.

It turned out to be prophetic, too. Being that he ratted, got a get out of jail free card, then got twenty years. For drug money.

Fucking douchebag that he is .

That sounds like something Paulie Gualtieri would say.

I really don't understand the responses in this thread. Why is it people find it so easy to believe Vincent Gigante, John Gotti, or Carmine Persico were able to maintain their positions from prison but Vic Amuso couldn't? And their reasoning for this usually is stated like, "I just can't see..." Well, who cares if you can't see?

Also, while Capeci isn't infallible, he's certainly one of the more respected and well-informed journalists on organized crime. And I tend to think he takes his credibility a little more seriously than to use his articles to "phish" or "tickle the wire" for the feds.

There really is no good reason to doubt this latest info. But, for some reason I've never been able to understand, certain people on these boards always stick up their nose at credible info in favor or their own guesswork or internet forum hearsay.

Ivy , it was Capeci himself who broke the story a couple of years ago that amuso had stepped down and crea had been elected the official boss

This is exactly how I replied on the other board, Ivy:

Gigante had a chance at getting out one day, Amuso doesn't. Big difference.

Had Gotti lived, I doubt he would have held on to power much longer.

Persico is the rare exception. The only reason that family is even halfway viable today is because they're more of a blood family than a mob family.

Agree to disagree on Amuso. I like you, Ivy. No sense in going back and forth because neither one of us will give an inch on this one .

And check your pm, Ivy.

And now he's corrected himself with additional info. If it's enough for him to retract his previous reports, I tend to believe it. It's not about who I think should be boss or would make a better boss, which is the reasoning many seem to be going by.

Not true, most are going off what makes sense.