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How do the genovese do it?
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We know so much about every family. Especially the gambinos since most of them seem to have a magnetic attraction to wiretaps. Every other family seems pretty open in terms of membership and structure. Only the genovese family is the mystery. For being thugs and lowlives, I gotta respect their ability to stay halfway under the radar. What makes them so much better at it than the other 4 families?
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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It all starts with the administration... they have not had one bad administration since they began. every other family has had at least one fuck up for a boss. think trickle down theory, the success of a family depends on the decisions of the administration. To this day you can find debates on whether Benny Squint was actually the boss, what's that 30-40 years ago? Does anyone ever doubt if Paul castellano or Tony Ducks were really boss?? Wealthy, respected bosses yes, but secrecy was a top prerogative for the Genovese. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And I do find them superior in every way. But you can't discount the fact they've also been a little lucky. Rats usually create a domino effect. And they've lucked out a few times, like with Cafaro, and more recently with that asshole Johnny Balls who put Angelo away, and that clown Arillotta up in New England. It's inevitable that someone will flip someday that does a lot more damage than these mopes. But until that day comes, yeah, they're still the "Ivy League."
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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I agree. Plus I remember reading about bosses getting killed during power grabs in the bonanno family, the gambino family, and I haven't really paid much attention to the other 2. But for any reading I've done about the genovese, I don't recall much infighting. I really gotta tip my hat to the administration there. Somehow they know how to keep their people happy.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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But for any reading I've done about the genovese, I don't recall much infighting. Just because you didn't read about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You have potential here, buddy. Don't be one of those guys who needs to read it to believe it . But seriously, it happens in all the families. There's a lot of petty jealousy in that life. Because in some ways, a lot of these guys never really grow up. Quick example with the Westside, and I'm just going to mention it once because it's been talked about ad nauseum here, and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of debate again. But Farby was acting boss for awhile there. And he was so jealous of the money that Barney and Ralph were making with the carpenters that he almost started a civil war. Barney was away at the time, but Ralphie got clipped. Farby died of cancer before Barney came home. But had he lived, things may have gotten interesting there .
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but just the fact that these things aren't common knowledge is impressive. Also, I'm thinking that maybe they might be better at taking care of the families of imprisoned members. This is just a guess on my part but when people think their real families will be ruined while they're gone might make them more likely to flip. Any sense to that guess or are they really just lucky to have more solid guys?
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Also, I'm thinking that maybe they might be better at taking care of the families of imprisoned members. The taking care of the families thing is the biggest myth out there. And NOTHING creates more resentment. But it is applicable here to a degree. I think it has to do with the fact that everyone seems to earn in that family. So their families don't NEED taking care of when they go away.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Trust me I know about the bullshit aspect of taking care of the families, but that's why I was thinking that the genovese might be different. Nothing gets to a person more than knowing their wife and kids will be broke and desperate while they're gone.. again it was just a guess..
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Trust me I know about the bullshit aspect of taking care of the families, but that's why I was thinking that the genovese might be different. Nothing gets to a person more than knowing their wife and kids will be broke and desperate while they're gone.. again it was just a guess.. I hear you buddy, and I know EXACTLY what you're talking about .
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Every time I hear the name, Genovese, the first place comes to mind is the Bronx. There's something in that Bronx water. Makes em loyal sonsabitches. I'd say the worst water in all of NYC has to be in Staten Island, lotsa rats pissin in that reservoir. I think they have traditionally been based in the Little Italy area and the Luccesse's are form the Bronx. I guess it's just because of the people I've known over the years. Rather than the traditional base of operation.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Every time I hear the name, Genovese, the first place comes to mind is the Bronx. There's something in that Bronx water. Makes em loyal sonsabitches. I'd say the worst water in all of NYC has to be in Staten Island, lotsa rats pissin in that reservoir. I think they have traditionally been based in the Little Italy area and the Luccesse's are form the Bronx. The Genovese power base has been in the East Harlem/Bronx faction of the family for years, with a lot of input and influence obviously coming from the Greenwich Village crew. Chin was an anomaly because Benny Squint loved him.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Trust me I know about the bullshit aspect of taking care of the families, but that's why I was thinking that the genovese might be different. Nothing gets to a person more than knowing their wife and kids will be broke and desperate while they're gone.. again it was just a guess.. My theory (more of a guess, since none of us can know for sure) is that it's because the Genovese family makes sure that their made guys are earning and keeping money. Kind of bucking the trend of spending it as fast as you can earn it. It's a part of keeping everyone in line. Also I think their is a little bit more "spread the wealth" mentality than in other families. People on these forum frequently say if these guys weren't so greedy with their money, less made guys would flip and more money could be made. Though I doubt the Genovese do that to the degree some posters advocate, I think it's there. Of course there are other factors. Their devotion to secrecy is unmatched. I've been wanting to start a thread for a while discussing how they are able to do that and other families haven't. It's definitely and "easier said than done" practice. Maybe I'll wait until this thread dies down and all discussion has been exhaust to start another thread.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Trust me I know about the bullshit aspect of taking care of the families, but that's why I was thinking that the genovese might be different. Nothing gets to a person more than knowing their wife and kids will be broke and desperate while they're gone.. again it was just a guess.. My theory (more of a guess, since none of us can know for sure) is that it's because the Genovese family makes sure that their made guys are earning and keeping money. Kind of bucking the trend of spending it as fast as you can earn it. It's a part of keeping everyone in line. Also I think their is a little bit more "spread the wealth" mentality than in other families. People on these forum frequently say if these guys weren't so greedy with their money, less made guys would flip and more money could be made. Though I doubt the Genovese do that to the degree some posters advocate, I think it's there. Of course there are other factors. Their devotion to secrecy is unmatched. I've been wanting to start a thread for a while discussing how they are able to do that and other families haven't. It's definitely and "easier said than done" practice. Maybe I'll wait until this thread dies down and all discussion has been exhaust to start another thread. That fits in to what I posted, Ted. I think it's because they do so much better for themselves to begin with, that their families aren't as dependent on friends and relatives for handouts when they go inside for awhile. Hence, no resentment when they come home.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Shoot several of these guys could be considered bona fide real estate experts A few of the ARE bona fide real estate experts .
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Hey Pizzaboy whats the story behind Farby theres not much info about him he must of been a heavy hitter to have made it to the top of the genevese. He was a legacy. And although most Westside guys seem to steer their children away from the life, his father and uncle and cousins were all big in numbers and sports out in Queens. They were originally from Jackson Heights and worked pretty closely with what would later become Tough Tony's crew. Was he a junk man or a union guy or an all round gangster like Carmine persico Like I said, he was a big numbers and sports guy. He never got into the unions to the degree that the rest of the uptown crew did. As far as junk, well, he was East Harlem based from back in the '60s and '70s. That's all I'm saying. or an all round gangster like Carmine persico
Farby was a stone fucking gangster. He died really young. He didn't even make 60, or he'd be right near the top today.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Being a Philly guy, it's still amazing how they wiped out the administration down here, without anyone on the commission "questioning" their involvement. Now, I don't know for sure if the other NY families openly questioned it at the time, because I never read that. But, it seemed everyone was satisfied with Genovese handling it. I'm sure all of NY realized that with Bruno out of the picture, AC would be open to them, and Gambino was gone, so who would have defended Bruno. So this could be a moot point.
But, to be able convince a high-ranking member (Bananas) to kill his boss, then lead the inquisition into those responsible for the unsanctioned hit on a boss, AND manage to not alert any other street scammers to your work, is to put it mildy, very impressive.
And I don't recall Philip Leonetti, who had intimate knowledge of the Genovese top guys at the time through his uncle, ever mentioning Benny Squint. I know he was on his way out and it's questionable if he was even the big boss in 1980, but the buck stopped at the Chin for Nicky Scarfo with the Genovese. He was Cosa Nostra to the bone and Manna, Salerno, or the Chin never showed him their hand.
This is a really good thread with top-notch posters on here. Good stuff.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Hey Pizzaboy whats the story behind Farby theres not much info about him he must of been a heavy hitter to have made it to the top of the genevese. He was a legacy. And although most Westside guys seem to steer their children away from the life, his father and uncle and cousins were all big in numbers and sports out in Queens. They were originally from Jackson Heights and worked pretty closely with what would later become Tough Tony's crew. Was he a junk man or a union guy or an all round gangster like Carmine persico Like I said, he was a big numbers and sports guy. He never got into the unions to the degree that the rest of the uptown crew did. As far as junk, well, he was East Harlem based from back in the '60s and '70s. That's all I'm saying. or an all round gangster like Carmine persico
Farby was a stone fucking gangster. He died really young. He didn't even make 60, or he'd be right near the top today. How come there isnt a lot out there about "Tough Tony", I have been going to Parkside for many years, so I'm curious about that guy
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Also there doesn't seem to be any power hungry guys towards the top. The top spot has been vacant for 9 years, and not even the acting bosses or ruling panel members have tried to take over (Fiurama being the exception, but he tried to do it peacefully). If there ever is an official boss, there probably has to be consensus amongst the rest of the family (and not the John Gotti kind kind of consensus ). Ted you and PB think alike I'll take that as a compliment.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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The Genovese could be smaller in number, and that is why they do so good at keeping low, i know people on here say they are same in man power as the gambino and are bigger in importance.
Or the Genovese could have alot criminals who are business men and are in no way violent so they are not in the news or doing crimes that other families get heat from doing.
Genovese, Gigante got some Lucchese Family members to get people to bomb attack Gambino Family one time, i think this shows his own Family members are business men, and any hits etc are done by people outside the Genovese Family.
Genovese Family could be all old men who do not let anyone know who they are and membership are not known to each other on the ground.
Well it's just not a matter of forum posters saying they match the Gambinos in size. The FBI has consistently had the family as being the largest (rivaled in size only by the Gambinos) for at least 20 years now. Most of the latest figures put the family at approximately 200 members. the same fbi that said the outfit only had 2 crews with the alleged defunct crew doing violent shit
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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The Genovese could be smaller in number, and that is why they do so good at keeping low, i know people on here say they are same in man power as the gambino and are bigger in importance.
Or the Genovese could have alot criminals who are business men and are in no way violent so they are not in the news or doing crimes that other families get heat from doing.
Genovese, Gigante got some Lucchese Family members to get people to bomb attack Gambino Family one time, i think this shows his own Family members are business men, and any hits etc are done by people outside the Genovese Family.
Genovese Family could be all old men who do not let anyone know who they are and membership are not known to each other on the ground.
Well it's just not a matter of forum posters saying they match the Gambinos in size. The FBI has consistently had the family as being the largest (rivaled in size only by the Gambinos) for at least 20 years now. Most of the latest figures put the family at approximately 200 members. the same fbi that said the outfit only had 2 crews with the alleged defunct crew doing violent shit They hate you because of the colour of your skin yet you still defend them
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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The Genovese could be smaller in number, and that is why they do so good at keeping low, i know people on here say they are same in man power as the gambino and are bigger in importance.
Or the Genovese could have alot criminals who are business men and are in no way violent so they are not in the news or doing crimes that other families get heat from doing.
Genovese, Gigante got some Lucchese Family members to get people to bomb attack Gambino Family one time, i think this shows his own Family members are business men, and any hits etc are done by people outside the Genovese Family.
Genovese Family could be all old men who do not let anyone know who they are and membership are not known to each other on the ground.
Well it's just not a matter of forum posters saying they match the Gambinos in size. The FBI has consistently had the family as being the largest (rivaled in size only by the Gambinos) for at least 20 years now. Most of the latest figures put the family at approximately 200 members. the same fbi that said the outfit only had 2 crews with the alleged defunct crew doing violent shit They hate you because of the colour of your skin yet you still defend them more like they ran from their neighborhoods when a black doctor moved on the block
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Some people talk like the mob is the KKK. They aren't exactly progressive with race relations, but they're not burning crosses either. They work with black people and they wouldn't leave a restaurant if a black couple walked in, but they usually want a certain degree of separation. But remember that they make their living on the streets with a bunch of criminals. They are usually brushing up against the thugs, addicts, and gangs. It's all a matter of perspective. It's a bit much to assume they all hate you because of your skin color. Just something to consider ya know..
Edit-- I have been informed of some pretty awful shit, but I guess I just knew of people who weren't quite so hostile.
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the same fbi that said the outfit only had 2 crews
with the alleged defunct crew doing violent shit You again? The FBI said 2 or 3 crews but they never specified which ones or made any comment about Grand Avenue.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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Every time I hear the name, Genovese, the first place comes to mind is the Bronx. There's something in that Bronx water. Makes em loyal sonsabitches. I'd say the worst water in all of NYC has to be in Staten Island, lotsa rats pissin in that reservoir. I think they have traditionally been based in the Little Italy area and the Luccesse's are form the Bronx. The Genovese were geographically widespread. They had (until recently) a crews in Springfield, Mass and a made member in New Bedford, Mass. They had crews in Florida (like every family). They have the Tough Tony crew in Queens and a bunch in Brooklyn, including what's left of the Gallo gang (not much) in Red Hook. Then there's Jersey, where I am guessing half of the Genovese are based now. Plus the Bronx and northern suburbs, where the 116th street crew now is based. Maybe a handful left of the Grennwich Village crew too. Conversely, the Colombos are in Gravesend, Brooklyn and Staten Island...just a few crews. That's it. Also,the Genovese guys almost always plea out. The last Genovese guy who decided not to plea out a case was Larry Ricci. So they stuffed him in the trunk of a car.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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The Genovese could be smaller in number, and that is why they do so good at keeping low, i know people on here say they are same in man power as the gambino and are bigger in importance.
Or the Genovese could have alot criminals who are business men and are in no way violent so they are not in the news or doing crimes that other families get heat from doing.
Genovese, Gigante got some Lucchese Family members to get people to bomb attack Gambino Family one time, i think this shows his own Family members are business men, and any hits etc are done by people outside the Genovese Family.
Genovese Family could be all old men who do not let anyone know who they are and membership are not known to each other on the ground.
Well it's just not a matter of forum posters saying they match the Gambinos in size. The FBI has consistently had the family as being the largest (rivaled in size only by the Gambinos) for at least 20 years now. Most of the latest figures put the family at approximately 200 members. The FBI i would never think they are 100 % on anything, they spin things to suit them self's, I know about approximately 200 members, but this is estimated readings. Anyway i am just dealing in theory Ivy, not hard facts.
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The genovese are extremely violent when they need to be , especially about the rules , if you break them there will be consequences no matter what your rank , but I see where you are coming from , there aren't as many senseless cowboy killings , and if there are , the cowboy will be the one getting hit .
They are just a smart and secret bunch that still wield some fear in their world . It pretty amazing actually how they have been able to earn thru the times . Shoot several of these guys could be considered bona fide real estate experts , in both illegal and legal dealings , making $ during the boom and bust. Yes illegal and legal dealings, keeping low, makes me think they have smaller membership tham people think. just a theory on my part.
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i don't think the ny families still have 200 plus soldiers
if they do then they're fucking illiterate
that would also explain the excessive number of documented rats
You're right, Cook. The Outfit is immortal. The Outfit dwarfs the five New York Families by half. The Outfit has no rats and New York is full of them. And they STILL don't want you. Because you're fucking Black. And they think you're an animal.
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How come there isnt a lot out there about "Tough Tony", I have been going to Parkside for many years, so I'm curious about that guy Today's Daily News has some pictures of him and a little write up on the restaurant.
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Re: How do the genovese do it?
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How come there isnt a lot out there about "Tough Tony", I have been going to Parkside for many years, so I'm curious about that guy Today's Daily News has some pictures of him and a little write up on the restaurant. I searched the NY Daily News site and couldn't find it. Maybe it was in another paper? Would like to read it. Federici was also honored by former Queens borough president Claire Schulman. Some sort of award for being important to the corona community and such. Either it means he really quit mob life or the Queens borough president joined it.
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I searched the NY Daily News site and couldn't find it. Maybe it was in another paper? Would like to read it. It def was the Daily News...It's probably one of those clips where they don't put it on the website and just have it in the paper.... Go to your local corner store and see if they have yesterday's paper, it was in there....
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