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Outfit/Panozzo bust #790266
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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #790270
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Lol. Hilarious. Business as usual over there.

I saw panozzo getting into a shouting match with one of the younger c-notes kinda near Fiore's deli a few weeks ago.

Lombardo aligned his crew with the C-Notes a long time ago, that gang was & still is somewhat of a farm team for the Grand Avenue Crew.

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My question is what the fuck were they doing down in Hegewisch of all places...? Perhaps that's where they cut up the loot?

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Interesting that they were busting out drug houses. Sounds like Cook County took the lead on this.

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/19/five-members-of-p-k-street-crew-charged-under-state-rico-law/

^^theres photos of all 5 defendants in that article. These guys all came up under guys like Albie Vena & Tony Spilotro around the Grand & Hoyne area. They were C-Notes that were recruited by the Grand Avenue Crew in the 70s.

The corner of Ohio & Leavitt is C-Note territory, that's basically where they began. Joey Lombardo's corner

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/28746...ml#.U8qjFlZR6Jw

^thats by far the most comprehensive piece yet on the situation. It gives a good idea of what the Grand Avenue Crew's bread & butter is on the street level these days. Far more quaint & hand-to-mouth than 30/40 years ago, but still formidable.

Bobby Panozzo is a real fucking lunatic.

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i know for a fact that he wanted to beat the dog shit outta the younger c-note

the shorties are worthless and hegewisch is a perfect spot to lay low

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Basically the young C-Notes with access to street level drug dealers will alert the Outfit guys when they find out about stash houses, usually belonging to Hispanic gangs. The Outfit guys will pose as cops & simulate a raid.

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Okay so Hegewisch isn't where they were hiding out, they were attempting to rob a stash house located there of 44 kilos of cocaine & the feds & locals were waiting for them in the house.

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^^^^^

they thought they were about to hit a lick

that's a fucked up set up

that's the 2nd set of violent criminals arrested connected to the defunct grand ave crew

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Cnotes still Italian with a spattering of Latinos?

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Correct. Polish as well, some Ukrainian kids from the neighborhood naturally.

The c-notes war pretty heavily with the Latin Kings west of California and the Satan Disciples east of Damen, so most Latinos in the area will get jumped in with them.

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i guess thats the problem if your making a living robbing drug houses, eventually your gonna get stung. Are they gonna be held in cook county, since its a state case be interesting to see if anyone tries to get revenge on them for the robberies.

I found this story referencing the c notes from 2011. They were beefing with the satins disciples.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/54390...ml#.U8sONRZ8yf0

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Joe Lopez sure likes defending Outfit guys.

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They definitely need to be wary of retaliation. I'm going to go ahead & assume that the cartels they were robbing were Latin King operated, and now the veil has obviously been lifted.

The way these guys get away with this stuff is because local law enforcement turns a blind eye in many cases, and obviously through aldermanic sway & bribery.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-prosecutors-outfit-street-crew-posed-as-cops-to-rob-drug-stash-houses-20140719,0,5541699.story

^^an even MORE in depth article (Thanks a lot, Chicago news publications -___- why can't you guys just gun down all birds with one damn article)

And yes, this is by far the biggest Outfit bust in a long, long time. Although the Carparelli Crew indictment may be bigger in the long run, they lost that case & wont release specific details until they've got them cornered, like this recent Grand Avenue crew situation. But the Grand Avenue Crew is obviously making a comeback under Albie Vena & incorporating some younger soldiers, and are 100% still capable of serious violence & intimidation. They were robbing big shot Latino cartel bosses, posing as vice cops, without fear of repercussions. 6 times a year. As well as engaging in a variety of armed robberies, mansion break ins, bribing officials, prostitution rings, and, as was evident in the Mandell trial, they were obviously looking into doing some strip club strong arming/street taxing. These guys are the real deal. And this is just one small street crew, and an extension of the smallest & most quaint/modest of the remaining four Outfit crews. So you do the math. Oh, and not one gambling charge. Lol.

Of course the clowns on here that only believe what the FBI reports will scoff at this. I could've told you some of this shit was going on with the Patch guys. Can you imagine the responses I would've gotten on here? LOL theArm actually did drop hints to some of this shit & he was berated & driven out like a leper with aids. durkadurka

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Looks like two of the other members of the crew,Louis Capuzi and Frank Obrochta, are already in jail facing burglary charges. Looks like they were pretty diversified, doing home invasions, armed robberies, burglary, insurance scams, and prostitution.

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Watched the video on the page and looks like Obrochta was out on bond in cook county for murder during a home invasion. Looks like this little crew is pretty vicious.

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Looks like Obrochta and Franko Martinelli were both shot by a 79 yr old man and Franko died. They say it was during a home invasion, but it seems weird that Obrochta and Martinelli were banging on the front door if it was a home invasion. http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2010/09/ukrainian-village-shooting-on-2100-west.html http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...y-robert-berlin

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It was not a home invasion. I remember this happening. They got into a bar fight at a place called Stella's (on Western & Erie in The Patch/Ukrainian Village) with the 79 year old man's son (last name Barker) earlier that afternoon & went looking for him at his fathers house in the Patch. The kid is the one who shot them while they were grilling the old man about where his kid was. They weren't aware the kid was in the other room. Chicago news reports are so vague, shoddy, & biased.

Capuzi is a Grand Avenue Crew member with Panozzo & Koroluk. Obrachta is a half Italian pole who I believe is a member of the crew as well (I've seen him riding around with Panozzo around the neighborhood in the past). Franko Martinelli is pretty well known around the Patch as a C-Note & Grand Avenue prospect, but other than that I don't know a whole lot about him. I used to see him loitering outside Fiores Deli near Joey Lombardos wife's apartment with Panozzos kid, Who is also a C-Note.

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Fosco's new post claims that Andriacchi has taken over for Difronzo.

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The interesting thing to me is the potential fallout. Drug laws have changed a lot but I imagine if they can really prove he stole 25 keys, in addition to everything else, he will effectively be looking at as much time as they want to throw at him.

If there are Ukrainian gangsters in Ukrainian Village they are truly the last of the Mohicans. The city pegged the number at 2500 left total about 25 years ago and a Ukrainian I was talking to (online) not long ago who lives there with her family pegged the current number at about 200.

BTW, everyone here is talking about what the FBI just released. And as far as I know the FBI never denied the existence of the Grand Avenue crew; quite the contrary.

So I don't see anything inconsistent at all about the FBIs reporting; in fact, quite they seem to be doing their job quite effectively.

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Also blatantly implies that Albie Vena is, in addition to being boss of the Grand Avenue Crew, a top figure within the C-Note$.

Fosco is crazy but has some balls on him.

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No one said Ukrainian gangsters. I said a few Ukrainian kids (some Polish) who grew up in the area are C-Notes. Were talking maybe 4% of the gang, Maybe 7-8 guys with Eastern euro blood. The C-Note$ are still largely Italian.

He's more or less implying that the Ohio & Leavitt C-Note$ & the Chicago Mafia's Grand Avenue Crew are loosely one in the same. Kids cut their teeth as C-Notes only to be later weeded out & the cream of the crop jumped into the Outfit.

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What is surprising about that is that the remaining Italians are street enough to support a street gang.

The area around Grand and Ogden is about 10 percent Italian at best, and the housing values are extremely valuable.

It's odd to me to think that most families sitting on a million dollar three flat they inherited from their grandparents would permit their kids to be gangbangers.

I know that changes as you get down Erie with the Hipsanic gangbangers, but I imagine that situation is rapidly eroding as well.

Sure as you go west toward Smith Park and the actual "Patch," the housing values are going to do go down, but I imagine buying property over there would still be very pricey, and I doubt there is a single Italian left who isn't a homeowner.

Anyway, I went to church over there once at the church near Lombardo's house and I was literally the only Caucaisian out of like 350 people.

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Yeah, Its pretty crazy that They're still able to control the neighborhood. No one fucks with them. Even the SDs east of Damen & the LKs west of California/Humboldt That fight for territory with them respect their corners to an extent.

The thing is, a lot of them don't actually live there anymore (some stayed, a la Cozzo, Spina, Capuzi, Koroluk) but Albie Vena lives in the western burbs & the Panozzos are Park Ridge people now.

They just spend every waking minute in their old Patch doing dirt & controlling corners. They just don't want to have to live next to a bunch of Mexicans.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
It's odd to me to think that most families sitting on a million dollar three flat they inherited from their grandparents would permit their kids to be gangbangers


Welcome to the life of a Chicago Mafia street soldier. These guys are dirty men. They get off on heists & grimy business. No matter how much money they make.

Also, it's entirely possible that a shift is occurring where Outfit soldier's sons will move back into the old neighborhoods to set up shop.

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I'm not surprised the Outfit still holds a lot of sway in the neighborhood. All they really need is the political connections. They are tuned into the underworld and still have a fair amount of political connections. All it would take is a phone call to the right politician/cop/public official, to drop the dime on some gangbanger/drug dealer.

At least that is the theory I once proposed to Fosco re: Grand Ave. and the couple other neighborhoods where they likely still exert a considerable amount of power, and he agreed 100 percent.

Intersting story. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Fosco's story is interesting too. LOL. I don't really like to name names on these things, but *someone* is really turning into quite the mob celebrity. (The guy who hangs out at RIchard's.)

I wonder how he feels about the increasing publicity. All it takes is a one bored writer like John Kass to suddenly make you his cause d'celebre.

Next thing you know City Hall is sitting there scratching their heads saying "What are we gonna do about this X X character? He's making us all look bad!"

Anyway, I can't imagine I would like it very much if I was in his position.

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Albie once ordered peronis & jameson shots for everyone in the bar, several high end dishes from la scarola, and a Hummer limo, and comped the entire bill to foscos tab. That's Why Joe dislikes him smile

In all seriousness though Albie being a C-Note figurehead is a serious accusation, and most likely factual. They are indeed an extremely violent & territorial entity.

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The interesting part is that Albie is clearly a pretty important guy right now.

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He has since clarified his statement and said that Andriacchi is in the "Accardo" role for the Outfit, the elder statesman. He does not know who the boss is.


"Snakes... Snakes... I don't know no Snakes."
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Does anyone else feel that ripping off Cartel connected drug dealers is a bad idea?

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Probably. I don't think the Outfit are a group to mess with either though. Doesn't sound like the Panozzos were scared of much.

HSC, you think GAC has become a sort new Wild Bunch? Enforcement wing?

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Originally Posted By: JoeyO
Does anyone else feel that ripping off Cartel connected drug dealers is a bad idea?


Well this particular crew were doing it for years & years & no one ever fucked with them. So obviously it wasn't that bad of an idea. They did get caught by the law eventually, but that was to be expected.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
Probably. I don't think the Outfit are a group to mess with either though. Doesn't sound like the Panozzos were scared of much.

HSC, you think GAC has become a sort new Wild Bunch? Enforcement wing?


I don't see that, where would you get that from? These guys are largely just thieves. Panozzo has been busted for extortion & doling out juice loans, but not nearly as often as he's been tagged for mansion raids, etc.

Also, The Outfit is a little bit too vast to Have just one "enforcement wing"

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I'm curious as to how they actually did it. The article mentions they went disguised as cops, but when cops take a stash house they don't knock, they do a raid. Kick in the doors, clear the rooms etc. And these days PDs have SWAT teams out the ass, so usually a SWAT team would pull stash house duty.

It also seems that they were doing it for quite a while. In all that time word didn't get around among the drug gangs that a handful of "cops" are kicking in their doors and leaving with their product but never arrest anyone? It seems weird that no one ever shot at them during a robbery or tried to go after them later...

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Originally Posted By: JoeyO
Does anyone else feel that ripping off Cartel connected drug dealers is a bad idea?


Yes. The gangbangers/hard drug dealers are more and more indiscriminately violent on average than the Outfit ever was.

Ripping off drug dealers is nothing new; it's been going in forvever, and has to be the world's most dangerous occupation.

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These particular guys were getting away with it unscathed for years & years though. So it obviously wasn't that bad of an idea for them. Johnny Law was the one who caught up with them, not the cartel leaders. And it took them almost 30 years to finally nail them clean.

On a separate note, there's another two bit board called black hands or some shit, where our old pal THE DON (aka Chicago, aka Elmwoodparker, aka Taylor Street Crew member Charles Inglesia's long lost, illegitimate grandchild, aka Elmwood Park Crew outcast Joe Lombardi's beloved nephew, aka The Straight Jacket Lunatic) is completely losing his mind over these recent articles. It's rather priceless LOL.

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Hahahaha...I'll check it out.

Yeah but now they got caught.

I mean, I don't pretend to know the interniciene workings of the relationship between the Outfit and drug lord street gangs, but I imagine in most instances now that their identities are out there, that would translate to a likely death sentence if you are just dropped in general pop somewhere.

Even if you have a healthy respect for another criminal organization, I think ripping off 25 keys would 999/1000 result in a loco cholo of one stripe or another turning your lights out in a particularly unpleasant manner.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
These particular guys were getting away with it unscathed for years & years though. So it obviously wasn't that bad of an idea for them. Johnny Law was the one who caught up with them, not the cartel leaders. And it took them almost 30 years to finally nail them clean.

On a separate note, there's another two bit board called black hands or some shit, where our old pal THE DON (aka Chicago, aka Elmwoodparker, aka Taylor Street Crew member Charles Inglesia's long lost, illegitimate grandchild, aka Elmwood Park Crew outcast Joe Lombardi's beloved nephew, aka The Straight Jacket Lunatic) is completely losing his mind over these recent articles. It's rather priceless LOL.

Jesus Christ that made my brain hurt. Why do you even bother responding to him anymore? Waste of time I would think.

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He sent me some really disturbing PMs on there. Youre right! Big waste of time & energy. The poor fella is legitimately out of his mind. I deleted most of my responses. Hopefully it gets the thread over there back on track for the users there.

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Chitown, where you at? This thread needs your input.

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This story seems to keep getting better and better, so apparently Panozzo threw an old lady down a flight of stairs more than once. WOW, impressive. Please let this case goto trial.

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Yeah this is really nuts. Everyone knows Paul Koroluk in the Grand Ave neighborhood. He was school boards and used to run a video store that was essentially a social club. He and Fred Pacente were busted for insurance scams back in the late 80s.

Everyone also knows about the CNotes. Guys like Kenny "Rico" Rodriguez and Jose "Chewy" Martinez are just as popular as Joey Lombardo. This was an Italian gang that really morphed into a Mexican/Ghetto gang by the early 90s. But a lot of the leaders- guys like Franco Santelli - were Italian.

Bobby Panozzo was a known heavy guy who was always around Albie. I was not aware he was ripping off cartels however, nor would I ever suspect Paul Koroluk of doing something like this - he was just a burglar (and a great one) who actually worked under some of the best Grand Avenue burglars like Andrew "Nucci" Lombardo; Joe's brother.

I really wonder who this informant is. If he has knowledge of real estate extortions happening back in the late 80s, he could really hurt Albie and the Spina brothers - those were the guys behind all of this and they own a TON of property in the neighborhood.

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How Italian do you think the Cnotes are nowadays? If at all?

Going to be interesting to see what they can do (if anything) with this old lady thing.

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^^the leadership is Italian, as are many of the soldiers that belong to the faction in the area of interest. The C-Note$ are pretty widespread at this point & include many Hispanics & other white European ethnicities.

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This story seems to keep getting better and better, so apparently Panozzo threw an old lady down a flight of stairs more than once. WOW, impressive. Please let this case goto trial.


Sounds like the ultimate scumbag. Hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life.

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So it says they were laying low because they knew the cops were watching them...

yet they still fell into this trap?

Fucking morons. Greed will get you every time.

And that piece of shit needs to rot in jail for murdering a 77 year old woman and joking about it until this day.

A real scumbag

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They might have needed the money.
hopefully they can go back and find that case if its true. They really are putting that street gang rico law to good use.

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The story about the old lady sounds kind of like bullshit...and for those who know, that is literally a few houses down from Joe Lombardo's house (2210 W Ohio). Perhaps she was a widower still paying her husband's debts off, or perhaps it really did happen and these guys are that stone cold - but that neighborhood is very close knit and if Panozzo did do something like that, bragging wouldn't really help him win anyone's respect there.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
The story about the old lady sounds kind of like bullshit...and for those who know, that is literally a few houses down from Joe Lombardo's house (2210 W Ohio). Perhaps she was a widower still paying her husband's debts off, or perhaps it really did happen and these guys are that stone cold - but that neighborhood is very close knit and if Panozzo did do something like that, bragging wouldn't really help him win anyone's respect there.


According to an affidavit police obtained for a search warrant of their homes, an informant said Panozzo boasted about killing an elderly woman around 1987.

“Panozzo still jokes about throwing someone down three flights of stairs and jokes about how surprisingly difficult it was to murder an elderly woman,” according to the affidavit.

Investigators are focusing on a 77-year-old woman who died on Oct. 17, 1987, in the 2300 block of West Ohio, the affidavit said.

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^^the leadership is Italian, as are many of the soldiers that belong to the faction in the area of interest. The C-Note$ are pretty widespread at this point & include many Hispanics & other white European ethnicities.
I have not heard about that gang in 10 years.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
The story about the old lady sounds kind of like bullshit...and for those who know, that is literally a few houses down from Joe Lombardo's house (2210 W Ohio). Perhaps she was a widower still paying her husband's debts off, or perhaps it really did happen and these guys are that stone cold - but that neighborhood is very close knit and if Panozzo did do something like that, bragging wouldn't really help him win anyone's respect there.

I was thinking the same. Maybe he did, but sounds like a bullshit story to me as well.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/28746...ml#.U8qjFlZR6Jw

^thats by far the most comprehensive piece yet on the situation. It gives a good idea of what the Grand Avenue Crew's bread & butter is on the street level these days. Far more quaint & hand-to-mouth than 30/40 years ago, but still formidable.

Bobby Panozzo is a real fucking lunatic.


Isn't this entrapment?

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If you read the article, it says that the police got the warrant due to the supposed bragging, and later seems to indicate that such a murder did in fact take place.

I'm not a lawyer but I imagine a judge issuing a warrant would ask if there ever was such an incident.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
If you read the article, it says that the police got the warrant due to the supposed bragging, and later seems to indicate that such a murder did in fact take place.

I'm not a lawyer but I imagine a judge issuing a warrant would ask if there ever was such an incident.

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


Slumpy, if you read Joe Lopez's statements it sounds like that may be what he's trying to argue. But, just like Jonny..i'm "not a lawyer".

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Panozzo is through. Maybe he will cut a deal if he can offer something on Vena, although the thought of this dirtbag making it back to the streets is somewhat disquieting.


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Agreed. Even if the murder charge doesn't stick I would think the rest of it is overwhelming.

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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Panozzo is through. Maybe he will cut a deal if he can offer something on Vena, although the thought of this dirtbag making it back to the streets is somewhat disquieting.


Panozzo and Koroluk have been in and out of jail since they were kids and both have a lot of family in the neighborhood that Albie Vena runs. Between this and the Stephen Mandell indictment, it's obvious the Grand Avenue crew is very active and very serious. I don't see either of these guys flipping, but would assume they take plea deals. I think the larger question is who this state's witness is (he's obviously been around since the 1980s) and how much damage he can do to Albie or other members of the Grand Ave crew.

Remember, Albie was on trial for murder and walked in the mid 90s. The State's Witness against him was a girl from the neighborhood and niece of Sam Gibellina, an Outfit connected cop in Melrose Park. She was framed as a serious drug user and I know first-hand the family went through a lot. Ed Genson tore the prosecution's case to pieces.

So while it always sounds like an open-shut case, you never really know when it comes to Chicago.

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Koroluks son is a pill junkie. He's locked up, but he's been down before I think, if you look on Idoc inmate locater he might be on there if he's still in parole. Panozzo's son is too they are close friends but there some dirty dangrous mf's.

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the grand ave crew must have some muscle

you will get murdered robbing drug dealers stash houses

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If you read the article, it says that the police got the warrant due to the supposed bragging, and later seems to indicate that such a murder did in fact take place.

I'm not a lawyer but I imagine a judge issuing a warrant would ask if there ever was such an incident.

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


Slumpy, if you read Joe Lopez's statements it sounds like that may be what he's trying to argue. But, just like Jonny..i'm "not a lawyer".


These are the quotes I was referring to:

"According to an affidavit police obtained for a search warrant of their homes, an informant said Panozzo boasted about killing an elderly woman around 1987.

“Panozzo still jokes about throwing someone down three flights of stairs and jokes about how surprisingly difficult it was to murder an elderly woman,” according to the affidavit.

Investigators are focusing on a 77-year-old woman who died on Oct. 17, 1987, in the 2300 block of West Ohio, the affidavit said."

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Originally Posted By: funkster

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


You can't write biographies based on the contents of a search warrant affidavit. Everything in them should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is in the cops' best interest to:
A, make the subject look like Ivan the Terrible, and
B, maximize the scope of the warrant.

To these ends they will include every vague innuendo that passes their ears and whip it up into lather.

If a suspect is heard saying "does a bear sh!t in the woods" The cops will write that he may be involved in black bear gallbladder poaching.

I don't know if he did it. Frankly, I live about a half mile away and didn't know these guys were this active, but just like the "Sarno's the big boss" affidavit, I know enough to read between the lines on these things.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
Joe Lopez sure likes defending Outfit guys.


If joe Lopez is your lawyer your fucked, the clown wants to be a celebrity at a gangsters expense, he can care less if he beats the case.

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Although the Carparelli Crew indictment may be bigger in the long run, they lost that case & wont release specific details until they've got them cornered,

What do yiu mean thy lost that case? Just curious, I thought it was still going?

Thanks

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I haven't been following it but without looking I can tell you the Feds did not lose that or any other case.

They only move when it's a slam dunk.

When you are prosecuted by the FBI you might as well give up.

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He doesn't win very many Federal cases, but really who does? He wins cases in Cook County.

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The judge let Carparelli off. He's been back on the streets for a while now.

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You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.


Yeah, I would presume he's out on bail. I haven't seen a court date anywhere.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.



I think Carparelli is a first-time felon and so are a lot of the other guys in that indictment, save Vito.

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Anyone have a photo of Vena?


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Sonny,

Check out these photos I found here on Gangsterbb which were posted by Snakes and at bottom you will find a photo of a younger Vena

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=779857

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Nice.

My thanks Bean. Did the google search but not the BB. My heads left me today.

My thanks to Snakes as well for posting.

Vena looks like a mean fu*ker.


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Vena looks the exact same today - just with grey hair and glasses.

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Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


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Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.

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The judge let Carparelli off. He's been back on the streets for a while now.


Huron your usually on with what you say, but trust me my friend hes not off you will be reading about sentences in the next couple of months.
Thanks

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You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.



I think Carparelli is a first-time felon and so are a lot of the other guys in that indictment, save Vito.

They will be all OK its not as bad as it seems.
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Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.




u do realize that chicago has always been more violent and crooked than nyc

i don't mean the mafia families, i mean the city as a hole

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Carparelli had his ankle monitor removed so he could swim in his pool with his kid per court order of July 2, 2014. Looks like the case is still alive.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.




u do realize that chicago has always been more violent and crooked than nyc

i don't mean the mafia families, i mean the city as a hole


posts like this are so fucking annoying

and judging by your name, you are one of those fan boys that shed a tear if their city isn't listed in the top 5 in murder rates for the year.

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yeah because 80 people getting shot in a weekend is something to brag about

chicago is pathetically corrupt and has always been more violent than NY

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Not with body counts , thought you weren't a murder rate guy lol

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Carparelli had his ankle monitor removed so he could swim in his pool with his kid per court order of July 2, 2014. Looks like the case is still alive.


How did you know that?
Just curious

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I much more curious about that than which city wipes their asses better.

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A more detailed article of the charges.

They were working with the spanish cobras and latin dragons in the robberies


Charges detail mob crew's brazenness
By Jason Meisner, Chicago Tribune
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services
July 26--The Outfit-connected crew had planned the raid on the cartel stash house carefully, using a street gang member who tipped them to a 40-kilogram shipment of cocaine from Mexico that would be warehoused on Chicago's Southeast Side before being cut up for distribution on the street, authorities say.

But what crew leaders didn't know was that the nondescript gray frame house on the 13400 block of South Brandon Avenue was a setup. The cocaine had been planted by law enforcement officials, who wired the home with video and audio surveillance equipment before giving their informant the go-ahead to set the sting in motion.

As an FBI spy plane monitored the Hegewisch neighborhood from the air late July 16, a team of Chicago police and federal agents on the ground watched as reputed Outfit soldiers Robert Panozzo and Paul Koroluk, posing as law enforcement, kicked in the door and grabbed the stacks of narcotics. When agents swooped in and made the arrest, Koroluk still had a police star dangling from his neck, authorities said.

The dramatic sting was the culmination of a monthslong investigation and led to sweeping racketeering and drug charges unveiled in Cook County criminal court last week against Panozzo, Koroluk and three other alleged crew members. The charges alleged an array of crimes going back to at least 2007, from home invasions and armed robberies to burglaries, arson, insurance fraud and prostitution.

Authorities said the crew -- which, according to previous court testimony, has ties to reputed Grand Avenue mob boss Albert "Little Guy" Vena -- robbed cartel stash houses of drugs and cash with a remarkable mix of sophistication and brazen violence, tracking drug dealers with GPS devices and wearing stolen police badges and body armor during the raids.

They had Chicago gang members providing tips and acting as lookouts and used a battery service business in their Near West Side neighborhood as a meeting place to divide up the loot, according to the charges. When an associate was nabbed for a home invasion, the crew plotted to kill the key witness before he could testify and even put the Cook County judge overseeing the case under surveillance, according to authorities.

Authorities say Panozzo, 54, and Koroluk, 55, have also been prolific burglars, using country club membership lists, tips from insurance brokers and other intelligence to identify the high-end homes before they hit them, then fencing stolen merchandise through Wabash Avenue jewelers and other professionals on the take.

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A search warrant affidavit filed in the case stated that the crew has "surreptitious and unauthorized links (with) certain employees of state and local government, as well as insurance agents, jewelers, currency exchanges, banks, and business owners."

Joseph Ways Sr., the former second-in-command at the Chicago division of the FBI who now is executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission, said the case shows the mob is still "alive and well" despite recent high-profile prosecutions that decimated much of the Outfit's key leadership.

Ways said that while the Panozzo-Koroluk crew allegedly used many traditional mob schemes, it is also accused of a particularly bold and risky tactic: stealing drugs that originate from powerful drug cartels.

"That's a new twist," Ways said. "To go in and rip off a stash house, depending on where it's at in the supply line ... if you get too close and the wrong people find out, it could be very hazardous to your health."

Authorities said the investigation into the crew began in October, when the would-be hit man informed police of the plot to kill a state witness who was about to testify against Panozzo's associate.

While the charges identify the associate only as "Individual H," numerous sources have confirmed to the Tribune that he is Jeff Hollinghead, 48, a former union truck driver who spent several years running an auto glass store in Las Vegas. After returning to Chicago about six years ago, he teamed up with Panozzo, whose base of operation was in Hollinghead's old neighborhood.

In October 2009, Hollinghead and three others were charged with kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member from his South Side home and holding him for ransom. The man's family called police, who set up a sting with the ransom money, court records show. Hollinghead was arrested by Chicago police and FBI agents as he opened a garbage can in a Bridgeport alley that had been marked with an "X" and removed what he thought was the ransom payment.

When he was arrested, Hollinghead first told authorities he was just looking for a place to relieve himself. Later he told an elaborate story of how he was approached by a man on the street who ordered him at gunpoint to retrieve the bag for him or Hollinghead's wife would be killed, court records show.

According to the search warrant affidavit, police investigating the Panozzo-Koroluk crew got a huge break when Hollinghead began cooperating last November, shortly before he pleaded guilty to the kidnapping charges and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Hollinghead laid out the details of the crew's operation, including how Panozzo used connections with the Spanish Cobras and Latin Dragons street gangs for tips on drug suppliers and the location of stash houses, according to the charges. Police said Hollinghead told them that the crew's technical operations wizard, Maher "Max" Abuhabsah -- who was also charged with racketeering -- ordered GPS tracking devices from a Skokie surveillance store and put them on the cars of their targets so he could track their movements through his smartphone.

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Hollinghead told police that while he was free on bond and awaiting trial, he and Panozzo had discussed arranging the murder of the victim in his case, but the victim had gone into hiding and no one could find him, according to the affidavit. Meanwhile, another informant said Abuhabsah had found the victim's brother's address through Internet research, the affidavit alleged.

Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

Lopez told the Tribune he did meet Hollinghead at the coffee shop but gave him only a copy of his investigator's report, which included a routine public records search that had only outdated addresses for the victim. Lopez said the meeting was part of the normal course of preparing for trial.

"We were trying to locate and interview the victim as part of trial preparations, just like we always do," Lopez said.

A review of court records in Hollinghead's case suggests that eliminating the victim would not have helped him beat the charges. The victim never identified Hollinghead in a lineup, and the main witnesses against him were FBI agents and Chicago police officers who were monitoring the ransom drop site and watched as Hollinghead reached into the garbage can and took the bag, records show.

Raised in the old Italian-American enclave known as "the Patch" on the Near West Side, Panozzo and Koroluk have criminal histories that stretch back decades, court records show.

In 2006 they were both sentenced to seven years in prison for a string of burglaries targeting tony north suburban homes that netted millions in jewelry and other luxury items. Police at the time described the burglars as some of the most sophisticated they'd run across, from the disabling of state-of-the-art alarm systems to the cutting of phone lines before entering the properties. It wasn't until Koroluk slipped up and left footprints in the snow leading to his car that police were able to crack the case.

According to court records, Panozzo got his start as a juice loan collector under former Grand Avenue boss Joseph "The Clown" Lombardo, who was convicted in the landmark Family Secrets trial. Recently, Panozzo was operating a house of prostitution masquerading as a massage parlor in the 800 block of West Superior Street, according to the racketeering charges.

No one answered the door when a Tribune reporter visited the alleged brothel last week. Employees of the hair salon next door said they had been suspicious of the place for months, sometimes spotting beautiful young women dressed in skimpy lingerie escorting men into the building in broad daylight.

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The racketeering charges also allege that Panozzo has a history of violence. According to the affidavit in the case, Panozzo has often bragged to associates that he threw an elderly woman down three flights of stairs to her death in 1987 after tricking her into signing over ownership rights to her three-flat in the 2300 block of West Ohio Street.

Public records show that the woman, Lydia Minneci, 77, signed a quitclaim deed to her home in October 1987 to a man named Steven Brantner, who at the time lived with Panozzo a few blocks away on West Erie Street. Minneci was killed shortly after she signed the papers, though no one was ever arrested, records show.

Four years later, Brantner was also killed, records show. According to the affidavit, Panozzo drove Brantner to the hospital, where he died of bullet wounds. No one was ever charged with his slaying.

As authorities were ramping up their investigation into Panozzo's crew earlier this year, his name surfaced in the sensational trial of former Chicago cop Steve Mandell, who was convicted in February of plotting to kidnap, murder and dismember a local businessman flush with cash.

According to trial testimony, Panozzo had introduced Mandell to real estate mogul George Michael during a July 2012 lunch at La Scarola restaurant on West Grand Avenue. At the table was Vena -- the reputed Outfit boss who replaced Lombardo after he went to prison -- and several other alleged mobsters, according to testimony. Michael, who unbeknownst to his dining companions was an FBI informant, recorded the meeting on a hidden wire, but the recording was never played at Mandell's trial.

Ways, of the Chicago Crime Commission, said it's difficult to tell whether the charges against the Panozzo-Koroluk crew signify a wider investigation of mob activity. With all the recent attention on Chicago's rampant gun violence, organized crime has faded from headlines. But that doesn't mean it's gone away, he said.

"That's the joy of law enforcement," Ways said. "Even if they decide to lay low for a while, you know they'll be back."

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It would appear that the demise of the outfit has been overstated. This is some pretty audacious shit from a flunky street crew, and evidently it's been going on for some time. This surprises me.

Leadership of the outfit has been old since God-knows-when, but it seems older (and less experienced). Vena's what, 70 now (?), and Solly D is a turd.

I'm not sure what to make of Chi these days.

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Vena is 61 I beleive
Cautadella is 59
Matassa is in his late 50s
Mob leadership is always old especially in Chicago
I mean capone era gunman were running the mob innto the 1990s ie accardo and auippa


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
A more detailed article of the charges.

They were working with the spanish cobras and latin dragons in the robberies


Charges detail mob crew's brazenness
By Jason Meisner, Chicago Tribune
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services
July 26--The Outfit-connected crew had planned the raid on the cartel stash house carefully, using a street gang member who tipped them to a 40-kilogram shipment of cocaine from Mexico that would be warehoused on Chicago's Southeast Side before being cut up for distribution on the street, authorities say.

But what crew leaders didn't know was that the nondescript gray frame house on the 13400 block of South Brandon Avenue was a setup. The cocaine had been planted by law enforcement officials, who wired the home with video and audio surveillance equipment before giving their informant the go-ahead to set the sting in motion.

As an FBI spy plane monitored the Hegewisch neighborhood from the air late July 16, a team of Chicago police and federal agents on the ground watched as reputed Outfit soldiers Robert Panozzo and Paul Koroluk, posing as law enforcement, kicked in the door and grabbed the stacks of narcotics. When agents swooped in and made the arrest, Koroluk still had a police star dangling from his neck, authorities said.

The dramatic sting was the culmination of a monthslong investigation and led to sweeping racketeering and drug charges unveiled in Cook County criminal court last week against Panozzo, Koroluk and three other alleged crew members. The charges alleged an array of crimes going back to at least 2007, from home invasions and armed robberies to burglaries, arson, insurance fraud and prostitution.

Authorities said the crew -- which, according to previous court testimony, has ties to reputed Grand Avenue mob boss Albert "Little Guy" Vena -- robbed cartel stash houses of drugs and cash with a remarkable mix of sophistication and brazen violence, tracking drug dealers with GPS devices and wearing stolen police badges and body armor during the raids.

They had Chicago gang members providing tips and acting as lookouts and used a battery service business in their Near West Side neighborhood as a meeting place to divide up the loot, according to the charges. When an associate was nabbed for a home invasion, the crew plotted to kill the key witness before he could testify and even put the Cook County judge overseeing the case under surveillance, according to authorities.

Authorities say Panozzo, 54, and Koroluk, 55, have also been prolific burglars, using country club membership lists, tips from insurance brokers and other intelligence to identify the high-end homes before they hit them, then fencing stolen merchandise through Wabash Avenue jewelers and other professionals on the take.

Do your IULs have options like these?

A search warrant affidavit filed in the case stated that the crew has "surreptitious and unauthorized links (with) certain employees of state and local government, as well as insurance agents, jewelers, currency exchanges, banks, and business owners."

Joseph Ways Sr., the former second-in-command at the Chicago division of the FBI who now is executive director of the Chicago Crime Commission, said the case shows the mob is still "alive and well" despite recent high-profile prosecutions that decimated much of the Outfit's key leadership.

Ways said that while the Panozzo-Koroluk crew allegedly used many traditional mob schemes, it is also accused of a particularly bold and risky tactic: stealing drugs that originate from powerful drug cartels.

"That's a new twist," Ways said. "To go in and rip off a stash house, depending on where it's at in the supply line ... if you get too close and the wrong people find out, it could be very hazardous to your health."

Authorities said the investigation into the crew began in October, when the would-be hit man informed police of the plot to kill a state witness who was about to testify against Panozzo's associate.

While the charges identify the associate only as "Individual H," numerous sources have confirmed to the Tribune that he is Jeff Hollinghead, 48, a former union truck driver who spent several years running an auto glass store in Las Vegas. After returning to Chicago about six years ago, he teamed up with Panozzo, whose base of operation was in Hollinghead's old neighborhood.

In October 2009, Hollinghead and three others were charged with kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member from his South Side home and holding him for ransom. The man's family called police, who set up a sting with the ransom money, court records show. Hollinghead was arrested by Chicago police and FBI agents as he opened a garbage can in a Bridgeport alley that had been marked with an "X" and removed what he thought was the ransom payment.

When he was arrested, Hollinghead first told authorities he was just looking for a place to relieve himself. Later he told an elaborate story of how he was approached by a man on the street who ordered him at gunpoint to retrieve the bag for him or Hollinghead's wife would be killed, court records show.

According to the search warrant affidavit, police investigating the Panozzo-Koroluk crew got a huge break when Hollinghead began cooperating last November, shortly before he pleaded guilty to the kidnapping charges and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Hollinghead laid out the details of the crew's operation, including how Panozzo used connections with the Spanish Cobras and Latin Dragons street gangs for tips on drug suppliers and the location of stash houses, according to the charges. Police said Hollinghead told them that the crew's technical operations wizard, Maher "Max" Abuhabsah -- who was also charged with racketeering -- ordered GPS tracking devices from a Skokie surveillance store and put them on the cars of their targets so he could track their movements through his smartphone.

Social Security changes you need to know now.

Hollinghead told police that while he was free on bond and awaiting trial, he and Panozzo had discussed arranging the murder of the victim in his case, but the victim had gone into hiding and no one could find him, according to the affidavit. Meanwhile, another informant said Abuhabsah had found the victim's brother's address through Internet research, the affidavit alleged.

Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

Lopez told the Tribune he did meet Hollinghead at the coffee shop but gave him only a copy of his investigator's report, which included a routine public records search that had only outdated addresses for the victim. Lopez said the meeting was part of the normal course of preparing for trial.

"We were trying to locate and interview the victim as part of trial preparations, just like we always do," Lopez said.

A review of court records in Hollinghead's case suggests that eliminating the victim would not have helped him beat the charges. The victim never identified Hollinghead in a lineup, and the main witnesses against him were FBI agents and Chicago police officers who were monitoring the ransom drop site and watched as Hollinghead reached into the garbage can and took the bag, records show.

Raised in the old Italian-American enclave known as "the Patch" on the Near West Side, Panozzo and Koroluk have criminal histories that stretch back decades, court records show.

In 2006 they were both sentenced to seven years in prison for a string of burglaries targeting tony north suburban homes that netted millions in jewelry and other luxury items. Police at the time described the burglars as some of the most sophisticated they'd run across, from the disabling of state-of-the-art alarm systems to the cutting of phone lines before entering the properties. It wasn't until Koroluk slipped up and left footprints in the snow leading to his car that police were able to crack the case.

According to court records, Panozzo got his start as a juice loan collector under former Grand Avenue boss Joseph "The Clown" Lombardo, who was convicted in the landmark Family Secrets trial. Recently, Panozzo was operating a house of prostitution masquerading as a massage parlor in the 800 block of West Superior Street, according to the racketeering charges.

No one answered the door when a Tribune reporter visited the alleged brothel last week. Employees of the hair salon next door said they had been suspicious of the place for months, sometimes spotting beautiful young women dressed in skimpy lingerie escorting men into the building in broad daylight.

International Travel Means Big Opportunities for Producers this Summer.

The racketeering charges also allege that Panozzo has a history of violence. According to the affidavit in the case, Panozzo has often bragged to associates that he threw an elderly woman down three flights of stairs to her death in 1987 after tricking her into signing over ownership rights to her three-flat in the 2300 block of West Ohio Street.

Public records show that the woman, Lydia Minneci, 77, signed a quitclaim deed to her home in October 1987 to a man named Steven Brantner, who at the time lived with Panozzo a few blocks away on West Erie Street. Minneci was killed shortly after she signed the papers, though no one was ever arrested, records show.

Four years later, Brantner was also killed, records show. According to the affidavit, Panozzo drove Brantner to the hospital, where he died of bullet wounds. No one was ever charged with his slaying.

As authorities were ramping up their investigation into Panozzo's crew earlier this year, his name surfaced in the sensational trial of former Chicago cop Steve Mandell, who was convicted in February of plotting to kidnap, murder and dismember a local businessman flush with cash.

According to trial testimony, Panozzo had introduced Mandell to real estate mogul George Michael during a July 2012 lunch at La Scarola restaurant on West Grand Avenue. At the table was Vena -- the reputed Outfit boss who replaced Lombardo after he went to prison -- and several other alleged mobsters, according to testimony. Michael, who unbeknownst to his dining companions was an FBI informant, recorded the meeting on a hidden wire, but the recording was never played at Mandell's trial.

Ways, of the Chicago Crime Commission, said it's difficult to tell whether the charges against the Panozzo-Koroluk crew signify a wider investigation of mob activity. With all the recent attention on Chicago's rampant gun violence, organized crime has faded from headlines. But that doesn't mean it's gone away, he said.

"That's the joy of law enforcement," Ways said. "Even if they decide to lay low for a while, you know they'll be back."



Wait a second, Lopez was giving information to help have an informant killed?

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Then, last July, Hollinghead's lawyer called him to a meeting at a Caribou Coffee on Maxwell and Halsted streets, according to the affidavit. At the meeting, the attorney slid a computerized printout of the victim's name and address across the table.

"Give this to Bob, he knows what to do with it," the attorney allegedly told Hollinghead, according to the court documents. "This is your only problem."

The charges refer to the attorney only as "Individual K," but court records show Hollinghead was represented at the time by longtime criminal defense attorney Joseph Lopez.

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The C-Note$, Spanish Cobras, and Latin Dragons with connections to the Outfit. Makes me wonder does Outfit associates/soldiers have any partnership with a branch of VLN, Breeds, or Souls being westside groups themselves.

Who knows maybe these Outfit members getting protection in prison from the Folks Nation since the top three are under the 6. lol


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Assuming this Hollinghead is their only informant, doesn't sound like they have anyone that could bring down anyone with any significance. That is, unless, Panozzo flips.

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Since when has Outfit leadership not been all old men? Guys RARELY get made before their 50s in Chicago. It's always been that way.

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also, Solly D a turd? The guy basically built the Outfit's Lake County rackets by himself. He is loved & revered universally pretty much by everyone in the organization, from every crew, and he did 16 years doing a headstand.. Is it because he's flashy/pompous?

People placing him below Sam Cataudella are delusional.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Since when has Outfit leadership not been all old men? Guys RARELY get made before their 50s in Chicago. It's always been that way.

Since when has LCN leadership anywhere not been old men other than than the rare example? Lol...dumb.

And inexperienced? I'm not even sure what that means. Solly D, Jimmy I, Toots Caruso, Damico...they just started this life. Sounds like someone's trolling..

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When the Feds pounce, it's over. They don't move until everything is in their court and everything is air tight. The people caught up in this thing are done.

That being said, they seem to have only been interested in the people who were arrested. Seems like they're content to rack up a few "associates."

People in Chicago tend to keep their mouths shut, so I would be surprised if it amounts to more than what it currently appears.

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Wow this story keeps getting better...Joe Lopez has more connections than one might think. Panozzo really doesn't fuck around either...I wouldn't be surprised if he has his guys on the outside start getting their house in order - he obviously isn't afraid to take people out.

Also interesting how many crimes and murders happen here in Chicago as a result of the Outfit, yet never really make headlines or are publicly connected to the Outfit.

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What do you guys know about the Bertuca family in Chicago? I saw old Coconante mentioned them on ANP in connection with Albie - the real connection with the family is Bobby Dominic, who used one of the Bertucas (who was a cop at the time) as his personal muscle:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-...investigation/2

As you can see - the Grand Avenue Crew was robbing drug couriers and stash houses under the guise of being cops (and using real cops) as far back as the late 80s.

Bertuca was a former professional boxer and after he left the CPD under clout, he joined the IL State Troopers. He passed away, but his kids and grand kids still hold clout - a few work for the City of Chicago.

Another left his job following Cooley's allegations that he was working for Pat Marcy, is now the City Attorney for Berwyn:

http://www.berwyn-il.gov/Portals/0/PDFs/law/Legal_Dept_Mission_Statement_on_Letterhead.pdf

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-...on-records-show

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Here are some Tribune articles. Bertuca

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribu...ent&start=0

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All they have right now is a bunch of Outfit "related" criminals caught in the act.

If they could trace it up higher, they would.

There isn't even definitive proof this is an Outfit scam.

From what I've seen, honestly, I would say its 50-50.

It could be mob related; it could be career crininals doing what career criminals do.

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^lol. No one plays for free in Chicago. These guys have been working for Lombardo & Vena for ages & ages.

This is why made men in Chicago insulate the shit out of themselves. And it works, for the most part. It takes a guy who was privy to top shelf information (Mario Rainone, Bill Jahoda) getting fucked over by them & turning witness, or a bone-headed false move (Lombardo & the Seifert thing, Marcello stupidly confiding in Nick Calabrese), or just plain stupidity (Frank Calabrese) in order to take a made Chicago guy down.

If you think for a second Koroluk & Panozzo weren't kicking up tribute on the oodles upon oodles of profits they were generating, you're dead wrong. These are the same rackets & schemes that Joe Lombardo & his crew were operating back in the day. The crimes & set ups are almost identical. This has always been the Grand Avenue Crews bread & butter. It's just the names & faces are different today.

It's like people are expecting a wiretap with Panozzo pledging allegiance to the Grand Avenue Crew, or for Albie Vena or Bobby Dominic to be caught red handed, draped up in task force garb "ya got me!".

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
^lol. No one plays for free in Chicago. These guys have been working for Lombardo & Vena for ages & ages.

This is why made men in Chicago insulate the shit out of themselves. And it works, for the most part. It takes a guy who was privy to top shelf information (Mario Rainone, Bill Jahoda) getting fucked over by them & turning witness, or a bone-headed false move (Lombardo & the Seifert thing, Marcello stupidly confiding in Nick Calabrese), or just plain stupidity (Frank Calabrese) in order to take a made Chicago guy down.

If you think for a second Koroluk & Panozzo weren't kicking up tribute on the oodles upon oodles of profits they were generating, you're dead wrong. These are the same rackets & schemes that Joe Lombardo & his crew were operating back in the day. The crimes & set ups are almost identical. This has always been the Grand Avenue Crews bread & butter. It's just the names & faces are different today.

It's like people are expecting a wiretap with Panozzo pledging allegiance to the Grand Avenue Crew, or for Albie Vena or Bobby Dominic to be caught red handed, draped up in task force garb "ya got me!".

If you read McScott's article, he cites a source of his who says they almost indicted Vena because they were fairly certain ( I think he even said there were some wiretaps) that they were kicking up to Vena.

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mscott is from detroit. he doesnt have any inside info on the outfit


Thats a lie
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I was never under the impression that DeLaurentis himself built the Lake County enterprise. I've always been under the impression that he stole Hal Smith's enterprise. Perhaps he built upon it, but still...

Next time I go home I'll dig out the wiretap tapes and see if I can't make them available, but my impression upon hearing them was that Solly D was a fucking TURD. Keep in mind, I call a douchebag a douchebag, and he certainly came across as one.

Guy's a stroke

EDIT: Infelise, on the other hand, was all business. Scary, actually.

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Lake county was Joe Amatos till 1976. It was given to Turk Torello who was with cicero. Delaurentis and Marino im assuming, took it over for Infelise/Ferriola, when Turk Died. This article explains how it was given to Turk, and the restaurant name and address the last supper photo was taken at. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-...uppa-mob-trials

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Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
mscott is from detroit. he doesnt have any inside info on the outfit


McScott maybe from Detroit, but he has close contacts with present and former Chicago-based FBI agents who DO (and did) have inside info through their contacts.

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I wrote my second book about the Chicago Outfit and worked for three years in the criminal prosecution/OC dept of the Illinois Atty Generals office in Law School. I understand though if people naturally associate me with Detroit. Since Ive written about Philly too, I consider Det, Chi and Philly my bread and butter per se

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Originally Posted By: scottburn
I wrote my second book about the Chicago Outfit and worked for three years in the criminal prosecution/OC dept of the Illinois Atty Generals office in Law School. I understand though if people naturally associate me with Detroit. Since Ive written about Philly too, I consider Det, Chi and Philly my bread and butter per se

Scott Burnstein


Scott don't pay any attention to Bobbyvegas, he's a clown who posts under several different usernames. Thanks for the articles and insights.

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You see the Vice article in White Boy Rick?

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Yeah Scott best not to respond to trolls here like you did on the real deal forum. It just fuels them. You're the best man, keep it up.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
^lol. No one plays for free in Chicago. These guys have been working for Lombardo & Vena for ages & ages.

This is why made men in Chicago insulate the shit out of themselves. And it works, for the most part. It takes a guy who was privy to top shelf information (Mario Rainone, Bill Jahoda) getting fucked over by them & turning witness, or a bone-headed false move (Lombardo & the Seifert thing, Marcello stupidly confiding in Nick Calabrese), or just plain stupidity (Frank Calabrese) in order to take a made Chicago guy down.

If you think for a second Koroluk & Panozzo weren't kicking up tribute on the oodles upon oodles of profits they were generating, you're dead wrong. These are the same rackets & schemes that Joe Lombardo & his crew were operating back in the day. The crimes & set ups are almost identical. This has always been the Grand Avenue Crews bread & butter. It's just the names & faces are different today.

It's like people are expecting a wiretap with Panozzo pledging allegiance to the Grand Avenue Crew, or for Albie Vena or Bobby Dominic to be caught red handed, draped up in task force garb "ya got me!".



most of them were hoping and wishing that grand avenue was defunct or white collar

it obviously ain't the case

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Not really.

Granted, it's clear these guys have deep Outfit connections, and it would appear there is the great possibility that this is Outfit-related.

But is it really an Outfit "scam?"

Even if thieves, etc., etc. are kicking up, to me, that isn't really an Outfit scam. It just means the people are paying protection money.

Which, in this case, begs the question: Why?

When's the last time anyone was killed, or even suspected to be killed, by the Grand Avenue crew?

Criminals tend to be extremely greedy. They don't share their cash unless there is a damn good reason.

With the Outfit essentially adopting a nonviolence policy, why would any thief kick up? Just playing devil's advocate.

In terms of Lombardo, as far as I know he wasn't arrested for any street stuff since the 60s when he was making his bones.

Since the 70s he was arrested for very large-scale scams, schemes and rackets, like bribing US senators, embezzling Teamsters funds and skims.

Anyway, it doesn't look like we're going to learn much more about this, and I doubt anyone talks, either.

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Lombardo stopped getting arrested for street shit when he in his 40s/50s. As did Vena. As did Spilotro. As did nearly every other made guy in Chicago Outfit history. Again, this is the benefit & motive for becoming a made man: cut your teeth & gruel it out for years & years, until you're ready to be made & receive a crew of soldiers that will do the dirty work in your name & pay tribute to you. Dunno what is so difficult to understand about this.

The soldiers pay tax out of respect & honour. These are guys That Have been following guys like Albie & Spina around like sheep since they were teenagers.

The Grand Avenue Crew is obviously still capable of violence. Panozzo & Koroluk were kicking in people's doors & beating them down. That's the Outfit, Panozzo & Koroluk. These are their soldiers in 2014. Albie Vena & Pete Difronzo (insert long time made man here) aren't going to be doing street work anymore.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Lombardo stopped getting arrested for street shit when he in his 40s/50s. As did Vena. As did Spilotro. As did nearly every other made guy in Chicago Outfit history. Again, this is the benefit & motive for becoming a made man: cut your teeth & gruel it out for years & years, until you're ready to be made & receive a crew of soldiers that will do the dirty work in your name & pay tribute to you. Dunno what is so difficult to understand about this.

The soldiers pay tax out of respect & honour. These are guys That Have been following guys like Albie & Spina around like sheep since they were teenagers.

The Grand Avenue Crew is obviously still capable of violence. Panozzo & Koroluk were kicking in people's doors & beating them down. That's the Outfit, Panozzo & Koroluk. These are their soldiers in 2014. Albie Vena & Pete Difronzo (insert long time made man here) aren't going to be doing street work anymore.

Not to mention cutting people's ears off.

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Informant says Outfit burglar bragged of murder, but autopsy raises questions

BY FRANK MAIN Staff Reporter August 8, 2014 5:55PM

Updated: August 8, 2014 8:38PM

Did reputed Outfit burglar Robert “Bobby” Panozzo really kill an elderly lady by tossing her down her stairs again and again and again?

According to a government informant, cited in a court filing, Panozzo claimed he pushed the woman down the stairs three times until she died after he and a pal conned her into signing over her property.

Panozzo supposedly joked about how hard it was to kill an elderly woman.

But Cook County medical examiner’s records say the woman — Lydia Minnici — died of natural causes on Dec. 17, 1987, in her home at 2347 W. Ohio. She didn’t have a bruise on her body, according to an autopsy report reviewed by the Chicago Sun-Times.

Investigators are now left to sort out whether the informant’s harrowing tale is true.

It was included in a 63-page affidavit a Chicago Police detective filed in Cook County Criminal Court last month to obtain a warrant to search the homes of Panozzo and four other defendants in a racketeering investigation.

Panozzo, 54, and co-defendant Paul Koroluk, 55, are allegedly tied to Albert “Little Guy” Vena, the reputed capo of the Grand Avenue mob. They’re considered leaders of a crew involved in murder, drug rip-offs, insurance fraud, kidnapping and prostitution, Cook County prosecutors say.

The brazen Panozzo-Koroluk crew even burglarized police officers’ homes to steal badges they later used to pose as cops while committing other crimes, the affidavit said. But one of the most stunning allegations in the case — dubbed Operation Crew Cut — involves Minnici’s supposed murder, which investigators haven’t confirmed, sources say.

Cook County property records show she signed a quit-claim deed on Oct. 19, 1987, giving Panozzo’s friend Steven Brantner the right to take possession of the home when she died. When she died almost two months later, Brantner became the owner.

The autopsy report said Minnici died of arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease — heart disease. She “was found unresponsive in bed, demonstrating no skin bruising,” the report said.

According to medical examiner’s records, an unidentified friend found her body in bed and called 911. She was wearing brown trousers, two shirts and brown socks.

Minnici was just 4-foot-6 and weighed only 75 pounds with her clothes on. Investigators were unable to locate any of Minnici’s family members. A neighbor described her as a “loner” who lived in the building for about 1½ years.

Minnici was “somewhat older looking than the stated age of 58 years,” the autopsy report said. Other public records list her as being either 77 or 88 when she died.

Brantner, a convicted burglar, was killed almost four years after Minnici died. On Oct. 14, 1991, he was shot twice in the chest at 2035 W. Ohio in the Chicago Outfit stronghold called “The Patch.”

Medical examiner records say Panozzo discovered Brantner’s body lying in the street and drove him to the hospital. The records described Panozzo as a friend of the 33-year-old Brantner.

Brantner, who was dressed in a black jacket, a black T-shirt and blue jeans when he was killed, had about $23 in his pockets. He also had “multiple possible chronic needle tracks” on his arms, indicating he was a heroin user.

Medical examiner’s records said Brantner was a property rehabber, but sources said he was a narcotics addict and dealer. He may have been killed in a dispute over a “street tax” mobsters were charging him on his drug sales, sources said. No one was arrested in his murder.

Sources say the informant who provided the story about Minnici’s death is Jeffrey Hollinghead — listed in the case as “Individual H,” who was facing kidnapping charges when he decided to cooperate with investigators against Panozzo and the rest of the alleged crew.

Hollinghead was arrested in 2009 for his role in kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member to obtain a ransom. He was sentenced last year to 15 years in prison.

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Right down the block from Lombardo's old house.

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Had a feeling the murder story was BS.

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2 more charged in Operation Crew Cut racketeering
Updated: August 28, 2014 6:40PM

Two felons have joined five other defendants in a major racketeering case targeting an Outfit-connected crew accused of home invasions, armed robberies, burglaries, insurance fraud, prostitution, arson and a plot to murder a witness.

Jeffrey Hollinghead and Willie Feliciano, both 48, were ordered held without bond Thursday.

They’ve been charged in Operation Crew Cut, which was unveiled in July when longtime convicted burglars Robert Panozzo and Paul Koroluk were charged along with Maher “Max” Abuhabsah; Koroluk’s wife, Maria Koroluk; and Panozzo’s son, Robert.

Panozzo and Koroluk are allegedly tied to Albert “Little Guy” Vena, the reputed head of the Grand Avenue mob. Abuhabsah was the technological mastermind of the group, prosecutors said.

Hollinghead was arrested in 2009 for his role in kidnapping a wheelchair-bound gang member to obtain a ransom. He was sentenced last year to 15 years in prison for that crime.

He and Panozzo discussed arranging the murder of the victim of the kidnapping case, prosecutors said.

Hollinghead started cooperating with investigators against Panozzo and the rest of the crew in November, just before he pleaded guilty in the kidnapping case, sources said.

Feliciano, a convicted burglar and thief, is accused of setting fire to a stolen vehicle with at least one other member of the conspiracy.

Feliciano was already in the Cook County Jail on separate stolen-vehicle charges.


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Hollinghead's credibility is already being hurt here with the claim about the old lady.

Interesting to read about Branter. There was a whole crew of guys in that neighborhood who were selling/using heroin - and were killed - Sam Taglia being one of them. I really think Albie and his crew were doing to the local drug dealers in the early 90s what the "Wild Bunch" under Harry Aleman were doing to bookies in the 70s - getting them all "in line."

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #799178
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Wild Bunch under Joe Nick you mean

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Wild Bunch under Joe Nick you mean

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #799185
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I think your probably right ChiTown, and this is just one crew of Grand Ave. As for anyone not thinking this is outfit related, Panozzo and Koroluk have been around grand a long time. Long enough ago to go out on a burglary with the Clown. Panozzo and Koroluk run their own crew and kick up, just like in every crime family in the world, money flows up and shit rolls down hill. lol

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