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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: jonnynonos] #791170
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
If you read the article, it says that the police got the warrant due to the supposed bragging, and later seems to indicate that such a murder did in fact take place.

I'm not a lawyer but I imagine a judge issuing a warrant would ask if there ever was such an incident.

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


Slumpy, if you read Joe Lopez's statements it sounds like that may be what he's trying to argue. But, just like Jonny..i'm "not a lawyer".

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791182
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Panozzo is through. Maybe he will cut a deal if he can offer something on Vena, although the thought of this dirtbag making it back to the streets is somewhat disquieting.


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791193
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Agreed. Even if the murder charge doesn't stick I would think the rest of it is overwhelming.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: Snakes] #791194
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Panozzo is through. Maybe he will cut a deal if he can offer something on Vena, although the thought of this dirtbag making it back to the streets is somewhat disquieting.


Panozzo and Koroluk have been in and out of jail since they were kids and both have a lot of family in the neighborhood that Albie Vena runs. Between this and the Stephen Mandell indictment, it's obvious the Grand Avenue crew is very active and very serious. I don't see either of these guys flipping, but would assume they take plea deals. I think the larger question is who this state's witness is (he's obviously been around since the 1980s) and how much damage he can do to Albie or other members of the Grand Ave crew.

Remember, Albie was on trial for murder and walked in the mid 90s. The State's Witness against him was a girl from the neighborhood and niece of Sam Gibellina, an Outfit connected cop in Melrose Park. She was framed as a serious drug user and I know first-hand the family went through a lot. Ed Genson tore the prosecution's case to pieces.

So while it always sounds like an open-shut case, you never really know when it comes to Chicago.

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791207
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Koroluks son is a pill junkie. He's locked up, but he's been down before I think, if you look on Idoc inmate locater he might be on there if he's still in parole. Panozzo's son is too they are close friends but there some dirty dangrous mf's.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791220
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the grand ave crew must have some muscle

you will get murdered robbing drug dealers stash houses

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791227
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
If you read the article, it says that the police got the warrant due to the supposed bragging, and later seems to indicate that such a murder did in fact take place.

I'm not a lawyer but I imagine a judge issuing a warrant would ask if there ever was such an incident.

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


Slumpy, if you read Joe Lopez's statements it sounds like that may be what he's trying to argue. But, just like Jonny..i'm "not a lawyer".


These are the quotes I was referring to:

"According to an affidavit police obtained for a search warrant of their homes, an informant said Panozzo boasted about killing an elderly woman around 1987.

“Panozzo still jokes about throwing someone down three flights of stairs and jokes about how surprisingly difficult it was to murder an elderly woman,” according to the affidavit.

Investigators are focusing on a 77-year-old woman who died on Oct. 17, 1987, in the 2300 block of West Ohio, the affidavit said."

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791230
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Originally Posted By: funkster

It says they are looking into the death of the old lady in 87. If foul play wasn't suspected back then or didn't show up in an autopsy I don't know how strong a case they would have against him based on a CI's hearsay.


You can't write biographies based on the contents of a search warrant affidavit. Everything in them should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is in the cops' best interest to:
A, make the subject look like Ivan the Terrible, and
B, maximize the scope of the warrant.

To these ends they will include every vague innuendo that passes their ears and whip it up into lather.

If a suspect is heard saying "does a bear sh!t in the woods" The cops will write that he may be involved in black bear gallbladder poaching.

I don't know if he did it. Frankly, I live about a half mile away and didn't know these guys were this active, but just like the "Sarno's the big boss" affidavit, I know enough to read between the lines on these things.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791268
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Joe Lopez sure likes defending Outfit guys.


If joe Lopez is your lawyer your fucked, the clown wants to be a celebrity at a gangsters expense, he can care less if he beats the case.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #791272
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Although the Carparelli Crew indictment may be bigger in the long run, they lost that case & wont release specific details until they've got them cornered,

What do yiu mean thy lost that case? Just curious, I thought it was still going?

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791302
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I haven't been following it but without looking I can tell you the Feds did not lose that or any other case.

They only move when it's a slam dunk.

When you are prosecuted by the FBI you might as well give up.

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He doesn't win very many Federal cases, but really who does? He wins cases in Cook County.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791336
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The judge let Carparelli off. He's been back on the streets for a while now.

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791375
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You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: jonnynonos] #791422
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.


Yeah, I would presume he's out on bail. I haven't seen a court date anywhere.

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: jonnynonos] #791513
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.



I think Carparelli is a first-time felon and so are a lot of the other guys in that indictment, save Vito.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791516
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Anyone have a photo of Vena?


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791518
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Sonny,

Check out these photos I found here on Gangsterbb which were posted by Snakes and at bottom you will find a photo of a younger Vena

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=779857

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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791520
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Nice.

My thanks Bean. Did the google search but not the BB. My heads left me today.

My thanks to Snakes as well for posting.

Vena looks like a mean fu*ker.


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: funkster] #791532
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Vena looks the exact same today - just with grey hair and glasses.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: ChiTown] #791584
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Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


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Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: pizzaboy] #791672
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #791698
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
The judge let Carparelli off. He's been back on the streets for a while now.


Huron your usually on with what you say, but trust me my friend hes not off you will be reading about sentences in the next couple of months.
Thanks

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You mean he was released in bail or whatever you call it.

I can't find a follow up anywhere on the trial itself but it likely hasn't taken place yet.

They had thousands of hours of him on the wire and were working with an informant.

He was indicted with nine other people.



I think Carparelli is a first-time felon and so are a lot of the other guys in that indictment, save Vito.

They will be all OK its not as bad as it seems.
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
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Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.




u do realize that chicago has always been more violent and crooked than nyc

i don't mean the mafia families, i mean the city as a hole

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Carparelli had his ankle monitor removed so he could swim in his pool with his kid per court order of July 2, 2014. Looks like the case is still alive.

Re: Outfit/Panozzo bust [Re: cookcounty] #791731
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Interesting stuff. There's still an obvious hierarchy there. Good reading smile.


PB what do you think of these guys on Grand Avenue? Think they could hang with guys from the Bronx? The true gangsters really have the same qualities - regardless of the city or neighborhood - its the hustle they just can't stop.




u do realize that chicago has always been more violent and crooked than nyc

i don't mean the mafia families, i mean the city as a hole


posts like this are so fucking annoying

and judging by your name, you are one of those fan boys that shed a tear if their city isn't listed in the top 5 in murder rates for the year.

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yeah because 80 people getting shot in a weekend is something to brag about

chicago is pathetically corrupt and has always been more violent than NY

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