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Did anyone else notice that ....... #785980
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..... in the scene with Hagen and Geary at Fredo's brothel, right after Tom says "It will be as though she never existed"... the camera shows the girl on the bed full of blood, and she is clearly BREATHING ???

Isn't she suppossed to already be dead? I was shocked to just catch that mistake now after all these years...

...was wondering if this is a commonly known screw up that I had just never heard about before, or not...


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I don't see it.


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.... after Tom says "it will be as though she never existed" it cuts to her and Geary. Just before it cuts back to Tom... She clearly is inhaling from her chest and stomach.


"I'll give you undignified. Go fuck yourself. You, Phil... whoever. He's my fuckin' cousin."

"My name is George. I'm unemployed and live with my parents"..
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I will look for it.


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

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Watched it last night. There's no movement in her body.


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The only movement I seen is when Geary was moving her hands. Other than that I didn't see her breathing either.

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If you search the IMDB (Internet Movie Database)you can find tons of trivia and goofs for the GF movies (or any movies you want,for that matter).
It's a great page to add to your bookmarks.

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I also did not see it.

Re: Did anyone else notice that ....... [Re: Frankie_Five_Angels] #794401
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To add to the "notice":

During the wedding reception scene, Michael introduces Tom to Kay as Tom Hagen. I suppose that's to also introduce Tom as a step-sibling for the audience that didn't read the novel. But Tom follows up by telling Michael that "your father" has been asking for you. Then in the meeting after Vito is shot, Tom uses the phrase again by telling Sonny If "your father dies ...". In both scenes, why does Tom not say "Pop" or use some similar synonym?


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Oli, the nominal reason is found in the novel: Vito insisted that Tom honor his father's memory by never forgetting who he was, even though his father was an abusive drunk.

BUT: we can read a lot more into it--did Tom really think he wasn't accepted as a full-fledged family member? (after the Tahoe attack, he practically bawls with gratitude when he tells Michael, "I always wanted to be regarded as a brother by you"). Or did Vito, ever calculating, want his future consigliere to retain his non-Italian name--the better to be accepted by the largely Irish and Jewish politicians and judges Vito needed?


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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To TB's point, I think Vito used that story about Tom keeping his name to make Tom feel good. Vito never adopted him cause he was not the same blood...it was that "SSSSSicilian thing thats been going on for 2,000 years."


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

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I don't see it either..


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I just noticed it lol


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You don't adopt children of your own familial bloodline, so that answer doesn't really make sense to me. Perhaps by not giving tom the Corleone name it's more of a way to keep him outside the "line of succession" as it were since leadership in the GF universe seems to pass through hereditary lines. Maybe it was seen as legitimizing tom and thus making his German/Irish ethnicity less important. The Corleone name is a "big deal" and invokes a response from all those concerned.

I know this is a bit of a stretch, just letting my mind wander wink

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Don't forget that Tom was the one who Vito showed parental compassion to when Tom told Vito that sonny was dead.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
To add to the "notice":

During the wedding reception scene, Michael introduces Tom to Kay as Tom Hagen. I suppose that's to also introduce Tom as a step-sibling for the audience that didn't read the novel. But Tom follows up by telling Michael that "your father" has been asking for you. Then in the meeting after Vito is shot, Tom uses the phrase again by telling Sonny If "your father dies ...". In both scenes, why does Tom not say "Pop" or use some similar synonym?


I also noticed that Oli...doesn't seem he would use that phrase if he grew up as Sonny's "brother."


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Originally Posted By: olivant
To add to the "notice":

During the wedding reception scene, Michael introduces Tom to Kay as Tom Hagen. I suppose that's to also introduce Tom as a step-sibling for the audience that didn't read the novel. But Tom follows up by telling Michael that "your father" has been asking for you. Then in the meeting after Vito is shot, Tom uses the phrase again by telling Sonny If "your father dies ...". In both scenes, why does Tom not say "Pop" or use some similar synonym?


I also noticed that Oli...doesn't seem he would use that phrase if he grew up as Sonny's "brother."

Two thoughts:
1) According to the novel, Vito never intended to legally adopt Tom because to do do would show disrespect to Tom's birth father. Maybe by referring to Tom as "Hagen",they were merely respecting Vito's decision.
2) When Tom uses the phrase "your father",to Mike and Sonny,I believe he is acting as a typical lawyer,since Vito is legally not Tom's father. Always the Consigliere, he immediately switches into battle mode after Vito's shooting. In his mind,he is acting as the adviser to the Corleone Family,and since it is "business,not personal",his obligation is to be accurate,logical,and calm. The blood relationship between Vito and his son's would have no more bearing on his advice to Sonny than the blood relationships of the Tattaglia's or the Barzini's.

When he says to Sonny "I'm as much of a son to him as you or Mike", he means that he loves and is loved by Vito just as much as the brothers,but that the issue is the survival of the Corleone Family and their businesses

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Also notice that in the film and the novel, Tom never refers to Vito as "Pop," "Godfather" or "Don Corleone." In fact, he never uses any form of address.


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Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Right TB, It's not until II's flashback scene that he refers to him as Pop.

Also, to add tot he above, Sonny tells Tom "... he's not your father." Considering the bond between Sonny and Tom, that's quite a cold thing to say. At the least, it's unexpected.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Right TB, It's not until II's flashback scene that he refers to him as Pop.

Also, to add tot he above, Sonny tells Tom "... he's not your father." Considering the bond between Sonny and Tom, that's quite a cold thing to say. At the least, it's unexpected.

And why is that? I'm really curious about that matter in case anyone wonders.

I definitely agree on that. It is quite a cold thing to say.

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If you're asking why Sonny said, "He's not your father," well, Vito wasn't Tom's father. But more to the point: Sonny wasn't very sensitive (later he hurls at Tom, "Pop had Genco, look what I got"). He may also have been expressing resentment toward Tom for advocating negotiation rather than shooting. Sonny also may have been feeling guilty because he knew that his gaffe at the Solozzo meeting triggered the attack on his father. Sonny would feel less guilty if he killed Sol rather than negotiate with him.


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Good assessment TB. Also, Sonny was not the epitome of a sensitive person. His liberal mouthings matched his intemperate behavior. He recognized such when he immediately apologized to Tom for the Genco remark.


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I know that. But imagine for Tom, he must have been feeling quite hurt and constantly left out. I think he wanted to be a real full blooded family member and like he says to Michael in the second film, "I always wanted to be thought of as a brother by you". But what I meant was why they didn't have him refer to him as Pop until Part II's flashback scene.

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Tom does refer to Vito as "the old man," which isn't uncommon to refer to a father.


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I will repeat what I have said elsewhere. Michael and Santino both resented and were a bit jealous of Tom's relationship with Vito. In many ways Vito understood that Sonny was nothing without Tom, and that if Michael was to have a "legitimate" careed, only Tom could be the intermediary.

The result was all the mean spirited things both Sonny and Michael constantly said to Tom.


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DT, I agree with you about Michael, but definitely not about Sonny.

Michael betrayed his antipathy(?) for Tom when he told Kay about his possibly becoming Consigliere: "... not a Sicilian..." On the other hand Sonny's mean words to Tom were just manifestations of Sonny's anger born out of the tremendous stress he was feeling.

By the way, where have you been?


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Another did you notice ...

You can watch the GF 100 times, but some things just slip by. That's the case when Tom visits Woltz at the studio. Why did Tom take his briefcase?

Then there's Luca's murder. It's December; it gets dark about 6PM. Vito's about to go to his car to be driven home. However, simultaneously, Luca is visitng Sollozzo at either the Tattaglia club or a hotel bar (which it looks like). The windows to the club or bar are on a hallway through which any number of people could pass and view a murder. Doesn't make sense.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Another did you notice ...

You can watch the GF 100 times, but some things just slip by. That's the case when Tom visits Woltz at the studio. Why did Tom take his briefcase?

Adding personal gravitas, I guess. When is a lawyer not a lawyer? When he's not toting his briefcase.

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Then there's Luca's murder. It's December; it gets dark about 6PM. Vito's about to go to his car to be driven home. However, simultaneously, Luca is visitng Sollozzo at either the Tattaglia club or a hotel bar (which it looks like). The windows to the club or bar are on a hallway through which any number of people could pass and view a murder. Doesn't make sense.


That's true logically, Oli. And, any bar owner would want passersby to see the bar. Perhaps it was a restaurant or a club where the bar was not the focus of attention. Plenty of restaurants and clubs don't have the bar visible from the street or corridor. But: FFC probably did it because that fish design in the window made a nice visual.


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In FFC's defense, he made GF1 with Robert Evans trying to fire him every 15 minutes. That would screw up anyone's attention to detail.

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I noticed something new while watching GF1 last night.

In the scene where Michael is asked by Kay in the car to be Godfather to Connie's baby, Michael hands Anthony out to Neri, who is tenderly bouncing him in the background while Kay and Michael talk.

That affectionate moment foreshadows the "Anthony's friends are your buttonmen" fight in GF2.


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