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Mafia involvement in porn: are snuff films a myth? #771570
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Are 'snuff' films an urban myth? Have any been found to be real?


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Snuff films are as real as they get: any murder recorded on film is at its core a "snuff" film. The only direct organized crime connected snuff films would be those videos where Mexican cartel soldiers start decapitating each other with chainsaws, machetes or bowie knives.

Most films that can be qualified as snuff however are the work of unrelated vile pieces of filth that like to tape a murder for their own disgusting pleasure. A notorious one is the infamous "Three Guys One Hammer" video where two of the worst examples of inhuman garbage disgustingly slaughter an elderly man on film. Never watched the clip (you probably can find it somewhere on the internet), but the story surrounding it was enough to throw me into a fit of rage.

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I feel sorry for asking about the topic! Thanks for the warning, KJ. Those guys got a life sentence. I won't be watching it!


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Re: Mafia involvement in porn: are snuff films a myth? [Re: TheKillingJoke] #771585
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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Snuff films are as real as they get: any murder recorded on film is at its core a "snuff" film. The only direct organized crime connected snuff films would be those videos where Mexican cartel soldiers start decapitating each other with chainsaws, machetes or bowie knives.

Most films that can be qualified as snuff however are the work of unrelated vile pieces of filth that like to tape a murder for their own disgusting pleasure. A notorious one is the infamous "Three Guys One Hammer" video where two of the worst examples of inhuman garbage disgustingly slaughter an elderly man on film. Never watched the clip (you probably can find it somewhere on the internet), but the story surrounding it was enough to throw me into a fit of rage.


Technically those examples you mentioned are not snuff films. Snuff Films are videos depicting violence and murder that have been produced and have been released for commercial purpose and financial exploitation. So really the whole genre is still urban legend.

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There def real.my uncle seen 1in the early 90s in baltimore and he swears up n down the woman was killed on it.said she gets stabbed up then it cuts off


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Snuff films are as real as they get: any murder recorded on film is at its core a "snuff" film. The only direct organized crime connected snuff films would be those videos where Mexican cartel soldiers start decapitating each other with chainsaws, machetes or bowie knives.

Most films that can be qualified as snuff however are the work of unrelated vile pieces of filth that like to tape a murder for their own disgusting pleasure. A notorious one is the infamous "Three Guys One Hammer" video where two of the worst examples of inhuman garbage disgustingly slaughter an elderly man on film. Never watched the clip (you probably can find it somewhere on the internet), but the story surrounding it was enough to throw me into a fit of rage.


Technically those examples you mentioned are not snuff films. Snuff Films are videos depicting violence and murder that have been produced and have been released for commercial purpose and financial exploitation. So really the whole genre is still urban legend.


In that regard you are right. The examples I mentioned weren't as such "motion pictures", but clips depicting actual murders are widespread on the internet.

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There def real.my uncle seen 1in the early 90s in baltimore and he swears up n down the woman was killed on it.said she gets stabbed up then it cuts off


Orite, lets put aside the fact that your uncle likes watching that kind of thing lol and for arguments sake say this video depicted a real murder.

1. Did your uncle have to pay to view it.
2. Did whoever was in possession of the video have to pay for it.
3. Was the video produced with sole intention of its distribution and financial gain.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke

In that regard you are right. The examples I mentioned weren't as such "motion pictures", but clips depicting actual murders are widespread on the internet.


Don't get me wrong theres probably only two or three degrees of separation between those clips on the internet and a bonafide authentic snuff film.

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I once took a class on Human Sexuality and what they said about snuff films is that they do not actually exist. I cannot remember who did the study but what they found in terms of "snuff films" were some videos of people dying from auto erotic asphyxiation but it was not on purpose. Yes there are obviously videos of people being murdered but there are no true snuff films like in the movie 8MM with Nick Cage.


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heres a good doc on snuff films. its in 5 parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2p7i4oL6Dk

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It is my understanding that documented incidents of of actual "snuff flicks" are almost non existent.
The other part of the question, Mob involvement in porn, hads an interesting history, when I get time later I'll comment


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Actually no he didnt fukn buy it.hes a contractor and it was in a bunch of tapes found in a house in the late80s early90s. he was gutting n rebuilding.the video was turned in. U make it seem like he went to a theatre n paid to see it or sumthn.ill try n ask him about it again

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lol, i was only joking about your uncle liking that stuff.

I was just asking those questions cause that would be more indicative of it being an actual snuff film.

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Lol ok sorry man.im waitn on a call back from him now. Im tryin to get him to tell me more about it.the area it was found.i remember him sayn you could see the terror on the girls face but none of em knew what it was till she was stabbed


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The only ones I could think of who might enjoy these kinds of films are Tommy Pitaro, Roy DeMeo and the Gemini twins, and maybe Casso. You really have to be a sick fuck to watch this shit.

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The only ones I could think of who might enjoy these kinds of films are Tommy Pitaro, Roy DeMeo and the Gemini twins, and maybe Casso. You really have to be a sick fuck to watch this shit.


Nicky Scarfo "fucking loved this" when Crazy Phil killed Falcone. I think it's safe to say he is sick enough to qualify for that club.


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This stuff started coming out in the late 60's 70's,now don't hammer me if the date is a little off.But we had a guy that did nothing but get this gross s***.

And this guy did not let nothing get by him,it was all on 8mm if my memory serves me right.But definitely a reel to reel machine.

It seamed the more the dope spread the more strung out these people became (not the viewers, the directors and participants)
This started out as abuse.And blossomed into full out snuff after there was one or more accidents,during the abuse scenes witch resulted in deaths. That's when the snuff became the craze!!The sick viewers became crazy over it and supply and demand came into play.

The word of this spread so fast across the east coast as far as i know(east coast)That it became real and fake. The one that were considered real could be worth a fortune, In steps the mob...


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And Nick Scarfo was a stone cold killer.But in a strange way he had morals.(his not yours)
But if it involved a girl being abused he would find the people behind it and kill them.
No way he would even let something like this in the city.
Now regular porn woman with men straight no problem(as long as you kicked up.
He had book stores just not in his name
just no freaks shit....


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The only ones I could think of who might enjoy these kinds of films are Tommy Pitaro, Roy DeMeo and the Gemini twins, and maybe Casso. You really have to be a sick fuck to watch this shit.


Nicky Scarfo "fucking loved this" when Crazy Phil killed Falcone. I think it's safe to say he is sick enough to qualify for that club.

yeah, you have a point there

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I can't believe you fuckers are even discussing such fucking filth so many fucking scumbag whack job dirtball mutts In this piece of shit society. Funny thing Is people on here despise/judge wise asses but they're saints compared to the fuck faces who do shit like this. Dirtballs all over the place make porn films as stated above KILL FOR NO FUCKING REASON + all types of despicable shit. I fucking face palm when I read or think about this side of the vile human race It also lights up my wicked temper. Motherfuckers on here judging/snitching on wise asses when a piece of shit raped a 3 year old innocent girl and doesn't even get prison time. They should make a snuff film of that fuck face chop off his hands empty two clips In his dick + all types of shit while he's alive.

End of rant I need to calm myself down sekoms!

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Need a valium? I dont think any1is justifying em.just a topic of discussion


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Originally Posted By: JoeyBologna1234
I can't believe you fuckers are even discussing such fucking filth so many fucking scumbag whack job dirtball mutts In this piece of shit society. Funny thing Is people on here despise/judge wise asses but they're saints compared to the fuck faces who do shit like this. Dirtballs all over the place make porn films as stated above KILL FOR NO FUCKING REASON + all types of despicable shit. I fucking face palm when I read or think about this side of the vile human race It also lights up my wicked temper. Motherfuckers on here judging/snitching on wise asses when a piece of shit raped a 3 year old innocent girl and doesn't even get prison time. They should make a snuff film of that fuck face chop off his hands empty two clips In his dick + all types of shit while he's alive.

End of rant I need to calm myself down sekoms!


Judgmental much?

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Originally Posted By: JoeyBologna1234
I can't believe you fuckers are even discussing such fucking filth so many fucking scumbag whack job dirtball mutts In this piece of shit society. Funny thing Is people on here despise/judge wise asses but they're saints compared to the fuck faces who do shit like this. Dirtballs all over the place make porn films as stated above KILL FOR NO FUCKING REASON + all types of despicable shit. I fucking face palm when I read or think about this side of the vile human race It also lights up my wicked temper. Motherfuckers on here judging/snitching on wise asses when a piece of shit raped a 3 year old innocent girl and doesn't even get prison time. They should make a snuff film of that fuck face chop off his hands empty two clips In his dick + all types of shit while he's alive.

End of rant I need to calm myself down sekoms!


lol lol

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As far as I know they are yet to find even one, so I would definitely say myth.

I think Nick Cage made a movie about them though.. ha... 8MM or something. Wasn't that great.

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lol lol


Only on the internet you can laugh at my statements anywhere else you'd end up with a fractured skull

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"Only on the internet you can laugh at my statements anywhere else you'd end up with a fractured skull"

Could I get this on DVD?.....and could you pee on him afterwards? Thanks!

Also, there have been films distributed of people being murdered for other reasons than money. There are several videos of the Chechen Wars in Russian were the Chechens behead Russian soldiers. There are also several videos of Russian neo Nazis beating or killing non-Russians by stabbing, beheading, etc...and apparently this was all done for free. There are also videos like those by the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs (who were behind 3 guys one hammer). The also had a video where the capture a pregnant women and cut the kid out of her body. (thankfully that one has not made the internet.)They were ethnic Russians who lived in Ukraine. In short, if you ever see anyone from Russia or a surrounding area with a video camera.....RUN

Also, it is worth mentioning that you don't have to like snuff to be a sicko. Just read about the kind of shit that they put on Ghetto Gaggers.

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In Russia, orphan children are sold to child pornographers who make brutal child porn and sometimes snuff films. It's not like there's big production companies or anything but snuff fims certainly exist.

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Originally Posted By: StLguy
"Only on the internet you can laugh at my statements anywhere else you'd end up with a fractured skull"

Could I get this on DVD?.....and could you pee on him afterwards? Thanks!

Also, there have been films distributed of people being murdered for other reasons than money. There are several videos of the Chechen Wars in Russian were the Chechens behead Russian soldiers. There are also several videos of Russian neo Nazis beating or killing non-Russians by stabbing, beheading, etc...and apparently this was all done for free. There are also videos like those by the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs (who were behind 3 guys one hammer). The also had a video where the capture a pregnant women and cut the kid out of her body. (thankfully that one has not made the internet.)They were ethnic Russians who lived in Ukraine. In short, if you ever see anyone from Russia or a surrounding area with a video camera.....RUN

Also, it is worth mentioning that you don't have to like snuff to be a sicko. Just read about the kind of shit that they put on Ghetto Gaggers.


You don't have to be from Eastern Europe to be involved in that kind of disgusting filth. Sickos exist in any country in any ethnicity. In Belgium there was Marc Dutroux who's a convicted child rapist, torturer and murderer. He has been brought into connection with a child pornography network that spanned several countries and Western and Central Europe. God knows what else they did.

It's important to note that there are relatively few cases like that to be found (which are still far too many of course). And the cases I have read about involving child porn (or maybe snuff for that matter) were always ran by individual sickos without any ties to traditional organized crime.

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^ This... I do remember reading an article about rich men who would pay people in some European country to kill children on camera and they'd send them the tape for like a thousand or so dollars... I dunno, some sick shit like that. I coudn't be bothered trying to find the source because that shit makes me feel depressed.

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It would not surprise me. I read about a Canadian serial killer who made a snuff film where he had sex and killed some Asian guy he was dating or hooking up with, and put it online but he was apprehended in Germany. No I did not watch it even though it's probably still out there on the internet as it's f@#$ing sick. This article explains more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...a-magnotta.html

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